Normal HD TV set or 3D or even 4K?
 

When purchasing a new TV maybe today my questions to those of you that
have 3D and/or 4K sets are.
When watching normal HD and SD TV do either produce better picture results?
When looking at Samsung which have satellite input which I must have I
see prices for 46 inch to 55 inch are in the area of £700 to £1100 which
to me is little more for 3D and/or 4K over a good brand TV set.
Samsung with Satellite HD are model numbers 6600 up.
Regards
David

Normal HD TV set or 3D or even 4K?
 

"David" wrote in message
...
When purchasing a new TV maybe today my questions to those
of you that have 3D and/or 4K sets are.
When watching normal HD and SD TV do either produce better
picture results?
When looking at Samsung which have satellite input which I
must have I see prices for 46 inch to 55 inch are in the
area of £700 to £1100 which to me is little more for 3D
and/or 4K over a good brand TV set.
Samsung with Satellite HD are model numbers 6600 up.
Regards
David


If you have a full HD 1080p set then whatever you watch will
look better simply because it has more pixels. HD ready has
1Mp, full HD has 2Mp.

General opinion is that 3D TV is dying - in fact 3D is dying
in general as not enough people are prepared to pay the
hiked prices. Go look how many 3D TV's are on sale in
Expensive World compared with, say, 18 months ago.

Personally I would not buy a TV with built-in satellite as
most such TV AFAIK are not Sky compatible as such. They will
get freesat OK but you will probably still need a Sky box to
watch anything else. Also if someone makes the decision to
either drop Freesat or change its format you will have to
scrap your TV, whereas if it has an external box then it is
just a new box.

Have a good look around at full HD TV's in the sales. My
F-in-L bought a Samsung UE32H5000 last year for £279 at JLP
(they were £269 at Richers at the time) with a five year
guarantee: EW are now retailing them at £239, down to £199
in the current sale, with the 5500 smart version at £249
(was £329.) JLP are doing them at the same price still with
5 yr guar.




--
Woody

harrogate three at ntlworld dot com

Normal HD TV set or 3D or even 4K?
 

On 27/12/2014 11:28, Woody wrote:
"David" wrote in message
...
When purchasing a new TV maybe today my questions to those
of you that have 3D and/or 4K sets are.
When watching normal HD and SD TV do either produce better
picture results?
When looking at Samsung which have satellite input which I
must have I see prices for 46 inch to 55 inch are in the
area of £700 to £1100 which to me is little more for 3D
and/or 4K over a good brand TV set.
Samsung with Satellite HD are model numbers 6600 up.
Regards
David


If you have a full HD 1080p set then whatever you watch will
look better simply because it has more pixels. HD ready has
1Mp, full HD has 2Mp.

General opinion is that 3D TV is dying - in fact 3D is dying
in general as not enough people are prepared to pay the
hiked prices. Go look how many 3D TV's are on sale in
Expensive World compared with, say, 18 months ago.

Personally I would not buy a TV with built-in satellite as
most such TV AFAIK are not Sky compatible as such. They will
get freesat OK but you will probably still need a Sky box to
watch anything else. Also if someone makes the decision to
either drop Freesat or change its format you will have to
scrap your TV, whereas if it has an external box then it is
just a new box.

Have a good look around at full HD TV's in the sales. My
F-in-L bought a Samsung UE32H5000 last year for £279 at JLP
(they were £269 at Richers at the time) with a five year
guarantee: EW are now retailing them at £239, down to £199
in the current sale, with the 5500 smart version at £249
(was £329.) JLP are doing them at the same price still with
5 yr guar.




Thanks
Yes I follow that but I do want Freesat HD via a dish as I have now.

Not going to watch 3D on proposed new TV but want to know if they
perform better when watching SD and HD programs, my brother says his do
but would like second opinion.

Not going to have a Sky box.

Again no sources of 4K material but they claim to upscale so again do 4K
sets perform better with SD and HD than normal HD set?


Some Samsung sets are both 3D and 4K so same question applies.

Regards
David

Normal HD TV set or 3D or even 4K?
 

"David" wrote in message
...
On 27/12/2014 11:28, Woody wrote:
"David" wrote in message
...
When purchasing a new TV maybe today my questions to
those
of you that have 3D and/or 4K sets are.
When watching normal HD and SD TV do either produce
better
picture results?
When looking at Samsung which have satellite input which
I
must have I see prices for 46 inch to 55 inch are in the
area of £700 to £1100 which to me is little more for 3D
and/or 4K over a good brand TV set.
Samsung with Satellite HD are model numbers 6600 up.
Regards
David


If you have a full HD 1080p set then whatever you watch
will
look better simply because it has more pixels. HD ready
has
1Mp, full HD has 2Mp.

General opinion is that 3D TV is dying - in fact 3D is
dying
in general as not enough people are prepared to pay the
hiked prices. Go look how many 3D TV's are on sale in
Expensive World compared with, say, 18 months ago.

Personally I would not buy a TV with built-in satellite
as
most such TV AFAIK are not Sky compatible as such. They
will
get freesat OK but you will probably still need a Sky box
to
watch anything else. Also if someone makes the decision
to
either drop Freesat or change its format you will have to
scrap your TV, whereas if it has an external box then it
is
just a new box.

Have a good look around at full HD TV's in the sales. My
F-in-L bought a Samsung UE32H5000 last year for £279 at
JLP
(they were £269 at Richers at the time) with a five year
guarantee: EW are now retailing them at £239, down to
£199
in the current sale, with the 5500 smart version at £249
(was £329.) JLP are doing them at the same price still
with
5 yr guar.




Thanks
Yes I follow that but I do want Freesat HD via a dish as I
have now.

Not going to watch 3D on proposed new TV but want to know
if they perform better when watching SD and HD programs,
my brother says his do but would like second opinion.

Not going to have a Sky box.

Again no sources of 4K material but they claim to upscale
so again do 4K sets perform better with SD and HD than
normal HD set?


Some Samsung sets are both 3D and 4K so same question
applies.


If you want to watch Freesat cheaply go along to your local
Cash Converters where you will probably be able to get a Sky
multiroom box for about £20 and it will very likely still
have an expired subscription card in it to get the 'correct'
local channels. (If you run it without a card you will get
BBC1 London and ITV Central West on 101 and 103
respectively.) If it does not have a card and you would like
one it is a once off £25 from Sky. In this instance you are
receiving Freesat-from-Sky - which is the same as Freesat
but with a different EPG.

The box does not have recording so is significantly smaller
than a standard Sky HD box, but it still gets the free HD
channels and is essentially the same tuner inside. I have
two, one in the caravan which I use when on holiday in
Europe, and they work a treat.

Don't be fooled by HD by the way. Much broadcast material,
especially if it is moving like football, is broadcast in
1080i - you will however get 1080p from Blu-Ray discs.


--
Woody

harrogate three at ntlworld dot com

Normal HD TV set or 3D or even 4K?
 

On 27/12/2014 11:56, Woody wrote:


Don't be fooled by HD by the way. Much broadcast material,
especially if it is moving like football, is broadcast in
1080i - you will however get 1080p from Blu-Ray discs.





but you need a 1080p screen to see 1080i at it's best anyway and you'd
be hard pushed to find any 720p screens on sale these days.


--
Gareth.
That fly.... Is your magic wand.

Normal HD TV set or 3D or even 4K?
 

On 27/12/2014 11:56, Woody wrote:


Don't be fooled by HD by the way. Much broadcast material,
especially if it is moving like football, is broadcast in
1080i - you will however get 1080p from Blu-Ray discs.

It'll be 1080-24p, or 1080-25p (that latter is supported (and used)
anyway by DTT) but the holy grail is 1080-50p, something not currently
supported by BluRay


--
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

Normal HD TV set or 3D or even 4K?
 

On 27/12/2014 11:12, David wrote:
When purchasing a new TV maybe today my questions to those of you that
have 3D and/or 4K sets are.
When watching normal HD and SD TV do either produce better picture results?
When looking at Samsung which have satellite input which I must have I
see prices for 46 inch to 55 inch are in the area of £700 to £1100 which
to me is little more for 3D and/or 4K over a good brand TV set.
Samsung with Satellite HD are model numbers 6600 up.
Regards
David

3D was never very popular perhaps because of the need for special
glasses. 4K does offer a significantly better picture.

I would look at 4K sets as they probably are the more expensive sets
offering a better picture anyway.


--
Michael Chare

Normal HD TV set or 3D or even 4K?
 

On 27/12/2014 12:22, Michael Chare wrote:
On 27/12/2014 11:12, David wrote:
When purchasing a new TV maybe today my questions to those of you that
have 3D and/or 4K sets are.
When watching normal HD and SD TV do either produce better picture
results?
When looking at Samsung which have satellite input which I must have I
see prices for 46 inch to 55 inch are in the area of £700 to £1100 which
to me is little more for 3D and/or 4K over a good brand TV set.
Samsung with Satellite HD are model numbers 6600 up.
Regards
David

3D was never very popular perhaps because of the need for special
glasses. 4K does offer a significantly better picture.

I would look at 4K sets as they probably are the more expensive sets
offering a better picture anyway.



Thanks Mark that is what I'm asking about.

Regards
David

Normal HD TV set or 3D or even 4K?
 

On 27/12/14 11:28, Woody wrote:
"David" wrote in message
...
When purchasing a new TV maybe today my questions to those
of you that have 3D and/or 4K sets are.
When watching normal HD and SD TV do either produce better
picture results?
When looking at Samsung which have satellite input which I
must have I see prices for 46 inch to 55 inch are in the
area of £700 to £1100 which to me is little more for 3D
and/or 4K over a good brand TV set.
Samsung with Satellite HD are model numbers 6600 up.
Regards
David


If you have a full HD 1080p set then whatever you watch will
look better simply because it has more pixels. HD ready has
1Mp, full HD has 2Mp.

General opinion is that 3D TV is dying - in fact 3D is dying
in general as not enough people are prepared to pay the
hiked prices. Go look how many 3D TV's are on sale in
Expensive World compared with, say, 18 months ago.

There may be less, but there are still far too many (although some are
using the fascinating term "3D ready", as though they are expecting it
to come back).

Personally I would not buy a TV with built-in satellite as
most such TV AFAIK are not Sky compatible as such. They will
get freesat OK but you will probably still need a Sky box to
watch anything else. Also if someone makes the decision to
either drop Freesat or change its format you will have to
scrap your TV, whereas if it has an external box then it is
just a new box.

Not sure I understand that. Even if Freesat goes down the tubes, you
will still be able to buy a box able to receive the new "freesat" spec
signal, and simply plug it in to one of your old TV set's HDMI sockets.
Surely there's no need to scrap the TV.

Have a good look around at full HD TV's in the sales. My
F-in-L bought a Samsung UE32H5000 last year for £279 at JLP
(they were £269 at Richers at the time) with a five year
guarantee: EW are now retailing them at £239, down to £199
in the current sale, with the 5500 smart version at £249
(was £329.) JLP are doing them at the same price still with
5 yr guar.

Still have to be careful what it is exactly you are buying. I was
looking at some of the cheaper Pannys, and wondering why the price
differed so much. Although I don't use Netflix, it seems that if you do,
some of the cheaper sets (not just Pannys) can't deal with the codec
that Netflix use for 4K.

--

Jeff

Normal HD TV set or 3D or even 4K?
 

"Jeff Layman" wrote in message
...
On 27/12/14 11:28, Woody wrote:
"David" wrote in message
...
When purchasing a new TV maybe today my questions to
those
of you that have 3D and/or 4K sets are.
When watching normal HD and SD TV do either produce
better
picture results?
When looking at Samsung which have satellite input which
I
must have I see prices for 46 inch to 55 inch are in the
area of £700 to £1100 which to me is little more for 3D
and/or 4K over a good brand TV set.
Samsung with Satellite HD are model numbers 6600 up.
Regards
David


If you have a full HD 1080p set then whatever you watch
will
look better simply because it has more pixels. HD ready
has
1Mp, full HD has 2Mp.

General opinion is that 3D TV is dying - in fact 3D is
dying
in general as not enough people are prepared to pay the
hiked prices. Go look how many 3D TV's are on sale in
Expensive World compared with, say, 18 months ago.

There may be less, but there are still far too many
(although some are using the fascinating term "3D ready",
as though they are expecting it to come back).

Personally I would not buy a TV with built-in satellite
as
most such TV AFAIK are not Sky compatible as such. They
will
get freesat OK but you will probably still need a Sky box
to
watch anything else. Also if someone makes the decision
to
either drop Freesat or change its format you will have to
scrap your TV, whereas if it has an external box then it
is
just a new box.

Not sure I understand that. Even if Freesat goes down the
tubes, you will still be able to buy a box able to receive
the new "freesat" spec signal, and simply plug it in to
one of your old TV set's HDMI sockets. Surely there's no
need to scrap the TV.



The point I was making is that if you buy a set with
built-in Freesat and Freesat goes down the tubes then so des
the TV unless - as you rightly say - you get another
external box to give you the new standard. The OP implied
that he was buying a built-in as he did not want to use an
external box.


--
Woody

harrogate three at ntlworld dot com

Normal HD TV set or 3D or even 4K?
 

On Sat, 27 Dec 2014 12:34:12 +0000, David wrote:

On 27/12/2014 12:22, Michael Chare wrote:
On 27/12/2014 11:12, David wrote:
When purchasing a new TV maybe today my questions to those of you that
have 3D and/or 4K sets are.
When watching normal HD and SD TV do either produce better picture
results?
When looking at Samsung which have satellite input which I must have I
see prices for 46 inch to 55 inch are in the area of £700 to £1100 which
to me is little more for 3D and/or 4K over a good brand TV set.
Samsung with Satellite HD are model numbers 6600 up.
Regards
David

3D was never very popular perhaps because of the need for special
glasses. 4K does offer a significantly better picture.

I would look at 4K sets as they probably are the more expensive sets
offering a better picture anyway.



Thanks Mark that is what I'm asking about.


But before you pay extra for a 4k set, ask to see some 4k material on
it at your normal viewing distance - not standing right in front.
Unless you are buying a very large screen you are unlikely to see the
difference.

Normal HD TV set or 3D or even 4K?
 

On Sat, 27 Dec 2014 12:51:34 +0000, Jeff Layman
wrote:


Not sure I understand that. Even if Freesat goes down the tubes, you
will still be able to buy a box able to receive the new "freesat" spec
signal, and simply plug it in to one of your old TV set's HDMI sockets.
Surely there's no need to scrap the TV.

Have a good look around at full HD TV's in the sales. My
F-in-L bought a Samsung UE32H5000 last year for £279 at JLP
(they were £269 at Richers at the time) with a five year
guarantee: EW are now retailing them at £239, down to £199
in the current sale, with the 5500 smart version at £249
(was £329.) JLP are doing them at the same price still with
5 yr guar.

Still have to be careful what it is exactly you are buying. I was
looking at some of the cheaper Pannys, and wondering why the price
differed so much. Although I don't use Netflix, it seems that if you do,
some of the cheaper sets (not just Pannys) can't deal with the codec
that Netflix use for 4K.

I wouldn't ever select a new TV just for its built-in decoder. Signal
signal sources and options change too often.
Getting a separate satellite PVR gives you the choice of source and
interface as well as the recording options. I know at least one person
who bought a TV with an integrated satellite receiver but had to buy a
separate box because none of the family could tolerate the TV's
proprietary interface.

Normal HD TV set or 3D or even 4K?
 

Mark Carver wrote:
On 27/12/2014 11:56, Woody wrote:


Don't be fooled by HD by the way. Much broadcast material,
especially if it is moving like football, is broadcast in 1080i -
you will however get 1080p from Blu-Ray discs.

It'll be 1080-24p, or 1080-25p (that latter is supported (and used)
anyway by DTT) but the holy grail is 1080-50p, something not
currently supported by BluRay

Well 4K @ 120 fps would be positively divine :-)

On 1080-25p - the BBC at least. still seem to run the same fuzz-o-filter
over it as I guess they do with 1080i.

I know nyquist needs to be observed, and I've read that going from blur
to sharp with motion/still is disconcerting, but 1080p seems to loose
compared to blu-ray because of this. OK there's bitrate, but for a scene
from animation like the dreamworks intro it's quite noticeable.

Also regarding 1080p DTT, the flagging does seem to be a bit inclined to
call progressive as interlaced, any idea why?

Normal HD TV set or 3D or even 4K?
 

Andy Furniss wrote:

Also regarding 1080p DTT, the flagging does seem to be a bit inclined to
call progressive as interlaced, any idea why?

On DTT, the stream can change from "p" to "i" at the drop of a hat to
save bandwidth based on the material type (is there a minimum GOP
length?) that was an issue with my Samsung TV as you can end up with
separate brightness/contrast/saturation settings foe each type of stream
which gives horrid flicker every time it changes back and forth.

Normal HD TV set or 3D or even 4K?
 

On 27/12/2014 14:30, Andy Furniss wrote:

Also regarding 1080p DTT, the flagging does seem to be a bit inclined to
call progressive as interlaced, any idea why?

Don't know. I do notice the encoders like to stick in progressive mode
a bit longer than they should ? Notably on the BBC news, when they mix
from the opening title animation (p) to the live studio camera on the
presenter (i). It will often remain in p mode for that, perhaps due to
the lack of movement ?

--
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

Normal HD TV set or 3D or even 4K?
 

On 27/12/2014 14:37, Andy Burns wrote:
Andy Furniss wrote:

Also regarding 1080p DTT, the flagging does seem to be a bit inclined to
call progressive as interlaced, any idea why?

On DTT, the stream can change from "p" to "i" at the drop of a hat to
save bandwidth based on the material type (is there a minimum GOP
length?) that was an issue with my Samsung TV as you can end up with
separate brightness/contrast/saturation settings foe each type of stream
which gives horrid flicker every time it changes back and forth.

Yes, it can (in theory) switch between i and p every GOP period, so 12
frames (or about 0.5 second). And yes, my Sony also requires the 1:1
pixel map mode, and other parameters to be made for both i and p modes
separately



--
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

Normal HD TV set or 3D or even 4K?
 

Mark Carver wrote:
On 27/12/2014 14:30, Andy Furniss wrote:

Also regarding 1080p DTT, the flagging does seem to be a bit
inclined to call progressive as interlaced, any idea why?

Don't know. I do notice the encoders like to stick in progressive
mode a bit longer than they should ? Notably on the BBC news, when
they mix from the opening title animation (p) to the live studio
camera on the presenter (i). It will often remain in p mode for
that, perhaps due to the lack of movement ?


Maybe, I am really thinking of the opposite case though, where
progressive randomly gets flagged as interlaced.

TBH I rarely watch TV, so this is from looking at samples posted in a
thread on the kodi (nee xbmc) forums. In that case it was causing
disruption because kodi was flipping on/off the h/w de-interlacer that
recent intel cpus have.

Maybe should start a thread on utb some time - if there's anyone there
other than you that knows anyway :-)

From xmas recordings I also notice (probably 6 months late) that the BBC
1 SD is now 704 \0/ (that's not an ironic cheer - it seemed silly and
was inefficient putting 704/2 in 720 with bars).

The Beeb also seem to be doing different from others on the same mux
with HD sound now, in that there is only "heavy" DRC meta in the DVB
extension and no "normal" DRC. I don't know if that's because they pre
apply it now or not (this is 5.1 film - I know they stopped for 2.0 ages
ago).

Do you have any info on this?

Normal HD TV set or 3D or even 4K?
 

On 27/12/2014 15:14, Andy Furniss wrote:

Do you have any info on this?

I don't, but I'll ask around !

--
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

Normal HD TV set or 3D or even 4K?
 

Mark Carver wrote:
On 27/12/2014 15:14, Andy Furniss wrote:

Do you have any info on this?

I don't, but I'll ask around !

Thanks.

Normal HD TV set or 3D or even 4K?
 

Woody wrote:

If you want to watch Freesat cheaply go along to your local
Cash Converters where you will probably be able to get a Sky
multiroom box for about £20 and it will very likely still
have an expired subscription card in it to get the 'correct'
local channels. (If you run it without a card you will get
BBC1 London and ITV Central West on 101 and 103
respectively.) If it does not have a card and you would like
one it is a once off £25 from Sky. In this instance you are
receiving Freesat-from-Sky - which is the same as Freesat
but with a different EPG.

http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/tv-dvd-...view/goodmans-
gdb18fvzs2-freeview-box-11345077-pdt.html?srcid=198&cmpid=ppc~gg~~~Exact&mctag=gg_g oog_7904&s_
kwcid=AL!3391!3!43562504735!!!g!67784487575!&ef_id =VFqNggAAAbhjJRap:20141227172445:s


This is £22 brand new with a year's guarantee. Proper Freesat EPG.

Bill

Normal HD TV set or 3D or even 4K?
 

Woody wrote:

The point I was making is that if you buy a set with
built-in Freesat and Freesat goes down the tubes then so des
the TV unless - as you rightly say - you get another
external box to give you the new standard. The OP implied
that he was buying a built-in as he did not want to use an
external box.

I think we have to accept that from now on external boxes will be
inevitable in most installations.

Bill

Normal HD TV set or 3D or even 4K?
 

Andy Furniss wrote:

I know nyquist needs to be observed

Is that when they don't eat during the day?

Bill

Normal HD TV set or 3D or even 4K?
 

On Sat, 27 Dec 2014 17:26:39 +0000, Bill Wright
wrote:

Woody wrote:

If you want to watch Freesat cheaply go along to your local
Cash Converters where you will probably be able to get a Sky
multiroom box for about £20 and it will very likely still
have an expired subscription card in it to get the 'correct'
local channels. (If you run it without a card you will get
BBC1 London and ITV Central West on 101 and 103
respectively.) If it does not have a card and you would like
one it is a once off £25 from Sky. In this instance you are
receiving Freesat-from-Sky - which is the same as Freesat
but with a different EPG.

http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/tv-dvd-...view/goodmans-
gdb18fvzs2-freeview-box-11345077-pdt.html?srcid=198&cmpid=ppc~gg~~~Exact&mctag=gg_g oog_7904&s_
kwcid=AL!3391!3!43562504735!!!g!67784487575!&ef_i d=VFqNggAAAbhjJRap:20141227172445:s


This is £22 brand new with a year's guarantee. Proper Freesat EPG.

Bill

???????????

A Freesat EPG on a Freeview box?


--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

Normal HD TV set or 3D or even 4K?
 

On 27/12/2014 17:52, Peter Duncanson wrote:
On Sat, 27 Dec 2014 17:26:39 +0000, Bill Wright
wrote:

Woody wrote:

If you want to watch Freesat cheaply go along to your local
Cash Converters where you will probably be able to get a Sky
multiroom box for about £20 and it will very likely still
have an expired subscription card in it to get the 'correct'
local channels. (If you run it without a card you will get
BBC1 London and ITV Central West on 101 and 103
respectively.) If it does not have a card and you would like
one it is a once off £25 from Sky. In this instance you are
receiving Freesat-from-Sky - which is the same as Freesat
but with a different EPG.

http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/tv-dvd-...view/goodmans-
gdb18fvzs2-freeview-box-11345077-pdt.html?srcid=198&cmpid=ppc~gg~~~Exact&mctag=gg_g oog_7904&s_
kwcid=AL!3391!3!43562504735!!!g!67784487575!&ef_id =VFqNggAAAbhjJRap:20141227172445:s


This is £22 brand new with a year's guarantee. Proper Freesat EPG.

Bill

???????????

A Freesat EPG on a Freeview box?



Gosh even Bill believing what a Currys salesman tells him.
Regards
David

Normal HD TV set or 3D or even 4K?
 

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
Woody wrote:

If you want to watch Freesat cheaply go along to your
local Cash Converters where you will probably be able to
get a Sky multiroom box for about £20 and it will very
likely still have an expired subscription card in it to
get the 'correct' local channels. (If you run it without
a card you will get BBC1 London and ITV Central West on
101 and 103 respectively.) If it does not have a card and
you would like one it is a once off £25 from Sky. In this
instance you are receiving Freesat-from-Sky - which is
the same as Freesat but with a different EPG.

http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/tv-dvd-...view/goodmans-
gdb18fvzs2-freeview-box-11345077-pdt.html?srcid=198&cmpid=ppc~gg~~~Exact&mctag=gg_g oog_7904&s_
kwcid=AL!3391!3!43562504735!!!g!67784487575!&ef_id =VFqNggAAAbhjJRap:20141227172445:s


This is £22 brand new with a year's guarantee. Proper
Freesat EPG.



Wiliam, are you having a bad hair day? This box is
Freeview - we were talking Freesat!


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Woody

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Normal HD TV set or 3D or even 4K?
 

On 27/12/2014 11:12, David wrote:
When watching normal HD and SD TV do either produce better picture results?

FWIW - I chose my set for its picture quality, particularly the way it
handles movement. And it's 3D capable - with an adapter to run the
shuttered glasses, which I didn't buy.

Which reminds me (cue other thread)

Andy

Normal HD TV set or 3D or even 4K?
 

Woody wrote:

Wiliam, are you having a bad hair day? This box is
Freeview - we were talking Freesat!



No I was ****ed up. And don't call me William, especially with one L!

Bill

Normal HD TV set or 3D or even 4K?
 

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
o.uk...
Andy Furniss wrote:

Also regarding 1080p DTT, the flagging does seem to be a bit inclined to
call progressive as interlaced, any idea why?

On DTT, the stream can change from "p" to "i" at the drop of a hat to save
bandwidth based on the material type (is there a minimum GOP length?) that
was an issue with my Samsung TV as you can end up with separate
brightness/contrast/saturation settings foe each type of stream which
gives horrid flicker every time it changes back and forth.

What's the point in interlacing when nearly everyone has LCD or plasma?

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Max Demian

Normal HD TV set or 3D or even 4K?
 

Max Demian wrote:
"Andy Burns" wrote in message
o.uk...
Andy Furniss wrote:

Also regarding 1080p DTT, the flagging does seem to be a bit
inclined to call progressive as interlaced, any idea why?

On DTT, the stream can change from "p" to "i" at the drop of a hat
to save bandwidth based on the material type (is there a minimum
GOP length?) that was an issue with my Samsung TV as you can end up
with separate brightness/contrast/saturation settings foe each type
of stream which gives horrid flicker every time it changes back and
forth.

What's the point in interlacing when nearly everyone has LCD or
plasma?

To save bandwidth compared to 50p but still allow 50 fields/sec for fast
paced content which would look juddery at 25 fps.

Of course with screens that refresh/fake refresh 50fps you can still
see judder a bit, hence TVs having frame interpolation.

UHD at least seems to have finally abandoned interlaced and offers the
prospect for higher fps. There's a BBC research paper/page somewhere
that calculates (IIRC) 600 fps would be needed for UHD to match static
res to motion res.

Normal HD TV set or 3D or even 4K?
 

Woody wrote:

General opinion is that 3D TV is dying - in fact 3D is dying in
general as not enough people are prepared to pay the hiked prices. Go
look how many 3D TV's are on sale in Expensive World compared with,
say, 18 months ago.

True, but immersive 3D could be the future - if you've got a good enough
"phone" and don't mind wearing a cardboard box :-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Cardboard

http://www.jauntvr.com/content/

Of course http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oculus_Rift

will likely be better.

Normal HD TV set or 3D or even 4K?
 

Kind of makes one wonder how much the cost price is on such items. I
understand that most Korean and Chinese makers use extensive automation
these days to put them together, which although bad for employment is
probably very cheap to do as long as everything works of course!

Brian

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"Woody" wrote in message
...
"David" wrote in message
...
When purchasing a new TV maybe today my questions to those of you that
have 3D and/or 4K sets are.
When watching normal HD and SD TV do either produce better picture
results?
When looking at Samsung which have satellite input which I must have I
see prices for 46 inch to 55 inch are in the area of £700 to £1100 which
to me is little more for 3D and/or 4K over a good brand TV set.
Samsung with Satellite HD are model numbers 6600 up.
Regards
David


If you have a full HD 1080p set then whatever you watch will look better
simply because it has more pixels. HD ready has 1Mp, full HD has 2Mp.

General opinion is that 3D TV is dying - in fact 3D is dying in general as
not enough people are prepared to pay the hiked prices. Go look how many
3D TV's are on sale in Expensive World compared with, say, 18 months ago.

Personally I would not buy a TV with built-in satellite as most such TV
AFAIK are not Sky compatible as such. They will get freesat OK but you
will probably still need a Sky box to watch anything else. Also if someone
makes the decision to either drop Freesat or change its format you will
have to scrap your TV, whereas if it has an external box then it is just a
new box.

Have a good look around at full HD TV's in the sales. My F-in-L bought a
Samsung UE32H5000 last year for £279 at JLP (they were £269 at Richers at
the time) with a five year guarantee: EW are now retailing them at £239,
down to £199 in the current sale, with the 5500 smart version at £249 (was
£329.) JLP are doing them at the same price still with 5 yr guar.




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harrogate three at ntlworld dot com

Normal HD TV set or 3D or even 4K?
 

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
Woody wrote:

Wiliam, are you having a bad hair day? This box is
Freeview - we were talking Freesat!



No I was ****ed up. And don't call me William, especially
with one L!



Well, that got the result I expected, and the missing L was
a typo caused by RFI between my wireless keyboard and a Dell
laptop charger.


--
Woody

harrogate three at ntlworld dot com

Normal HD TV set or 3D or even 4K?
 

Woody wrote:

No I was ****ed up. And don't call me William, especially
with one L!



Well, that got the result I expected, and the missing L was
a typo caused by RFI between my wireless keyboard and a Dell
laptop charger.

Noel, noel, no-o-el, noel

Bill

Normal HD TV set or 3D or even 4K?
 

Well decided to get Samsung UE48HU7500 at Richer Sounds.
So went out yesterday and bought the UE55HU7500 mistake was taking my
lovely lady wife who thought we should keep up with the so called Jones.

It has both the 3D and 4K.

Poor picture when we turned it on and shocked as nothing like we had
seen in showrooms, then we heard of the EU and compulsory ECO mode,
dived into Menus and turned it off. Now got fantastic pictures on the
HD stations.
Continuing to tweak thinks as the days go by.

Got a free 5 year warranty and 3 months free of movie channels and if I
go onto the Samsung site was told I can claim a free Hub, what that does
I not know if you do is it worth claiming?

Thanks for your help
David

Normal HD TV set or 3D or even 4K?
 

"David" wrote in message
...
Well decided to get Samsung UE48HU7500 at Richer Sounds.
So went out yesterday and bought the UE55HU7500 mistake
was taking my lovely lady wife who thought we should keep
up with the so called Jones.

It has both the 3D and 4K.

Poor picture when we turned it on and shocked as nothing
like we had seen in showrooms, then we heard of the EU and
compulsory ECO mode, dived into Menus and turned it off.
Now got fantastic pictures on the HD stations.
Continuing to tweak thinks as the days go by.

Got a free 5 year warranty and 3 months free of movie
channels and if I go onto the Samsung site was told I can
claim a free Hub, what that does I not know if you do is
it worth claiming?

Thanks for your help


On principle, if its free, claim it!

There are three common networking devices:
A hub - usually four ethernet ports - just broadcasts on the
remaining ports anything that it gets in from any one port.
It means that everthing connected to it sees all traffic so
it can slow things down on a busy system. Each device
connected must have its own unique network address;
A switch - which is what the ethernet ports on a router in
effect are - is the same as a hub but it learns who is
connected to each port and steers the data accordingly, i.e.
from any one input only one item connected to one other port
should receive the data. As with a hub each device must have
its own unique network address;
A router - which is an interconnecting device between a
network (usually external such as the Internet) and a number
of users or equipments. Its outputs to its own network act
like a switch (as above) and steer the data. However it
usually also does one other thing and that is issue (via
DHCP) a unique address to each device connected to each port
in an address range totally unrelated to the outside world
address. This means that 4/8/16/32 devices on the equipment
side can access the external network through one single port
and one IP address. As this address change - or NAT, Network
Address Translation - means that the outside world is unable
to directly access something on the local side of the
router, said router is acting as a hardware firewall so
there is (really) no need for your IS software to do the
same thing.

They will supply you a hub so that if you only have one
network connection adjacent to the TV connected to, say, an
audio (hi-fi) streaming unit, you can get a second (and
third and fourth) port available through which to connect
your smart TV etc from the one cable.

HTH.


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Woody

harrogate three at ntlworld dot com

Normal HD TV set or 3D or even 4K?
 

On 28/12/2014 20:11, Woody wrote:
A switch - which is what the ethernet ports on a router in
effect are

Not necessarily. AIUI some are a router connected to a hub. This tends
not to matter much, as the real bottleneck is the wire on the outside,
which it switches properly. Only when you have two (or more) pairs of
machines running simultaneously does a hub give better performance.

I haven't tried with wires, but I suspect mine runs out of CPU before
net bandwidth.

Andy

Normal HD TV set or 3D or even 4K?
 

Woody wrote:

David wrote:

if I go onto the Samsung site was told I can claim a free Hub, what
that does I not know if you do is it worth claiming?

There are three common networking devices:
A hub - usually four ethernet ports - just broadcasts on the
remaining ports anything that it gets in from any one port.

True, but practically non-existent for donkeys years.

I suspect what they're dishing out is this

http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/tv-audio-video/wireless-audio-multiroom/wireless-audio-multiroom/WAM250/XU

Normal HD TV set or 3D or even 4K?
 

On 29/12/2014 09:40, brightside S9 wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 20:32:09 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

Woody wrote:

David wrote:

if I go onto the Samsung site was told I can claim a free Hub, what
that does I not know if you do is it worth claiming?

There are three common networking devices:
A hub - usually four ethernet ports - just broadcasts on the
remaining ports anything that it gets in from any one port.

True, but practically non-existent for donkeys years.

I suspect what they're dishing out is this

http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/tv-audio-video/wireless-audio-multiroom/wireless-audio-multiroom/WAM250/XU


Your suspicions are correct. There are dozens on Ebay. More money
needs to be spent to make use of it.


Nothing for me to get excited about then.
Have applied for it might become of use later or for a family member.
Regards
David

Normal HD TV set or 3D or even 4K?
 

On Sunday, 28 December 2014 19:34:00 UTC, David wrote:
Well decided to get Samsung UE48HU7500 at Richer Sounds.
So went out yesterday and bought the UE55HU7500 mistake was taking my
lovely lady wife who thought we should keep up with the so called Jones.

It has both the 3D and 4K.

Poor picture when we turned it on and shocked as nothing like we had
seen in showrooms, then we heard of the EU and compulsory ECO mode,
dived into Menus and turned it off. Now got fantastic pictures on the
HD stations.
Continuing to tweak thinks as the days go by.

Got a free 5 year warranty and 3 months free of movie channels and if I
go onto the Samsung site was told I can claim a free Hub, what that does
I not know if you do is it worth claiming?

Thanks for your help
David

you will probably find that it has an undocumented FTA satellite receiver. Not Freesat, but it gets all the same channels, but no EPG.

Normal HD TV set or 3D or even 4K?
 

On 29/12/2014 18:05, wrote:
On Sunday, 28 December 2014 19:34:00 UTC, David wrote:
Well decided to get Samsung UE48HU7500 at Richer Sounds.
So went out yesterday and bought the UE55HU7500 mistake was taking my
lovely lady wife who thought we should keep up with the so called Jones.

It has both the 3D and 4K.

Poor picture when we turned it on and shocked as nothing like we had
seen in showrooms, then we heard of the EU and compulsory ECO mode,
dived into Menus and turned it off. Now got fantastic pictures on the
HD stations.
Continuing to tweak thinks as the days go by.

Got a free 5 year warranty and 3 months free of movie channels and if I
go onto the Samsung site was told I can claim a free Hub, what that does
I not know if you do is it worth claiming?

Thanks for your help
David

you will probably find that it has an undocumented FTA satellite receiver. Not Freesat, but it gets all the same channels, but no EPG.


It has the terrestrial Freeview List and the Satellite Freesat, also a
second satellite List for which I have downloaded all the stations in
the clear from the 28.6 deg. East satellites so duplicates those on
Freesat and in addition those not on Freesat. I will probably amend
that to have the non Freesat ones only.


Regards
David