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BBC Have Broken GetIPlayer
http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail...er/006240.html quote The BBC have removed the programme data feeds used by get_iplayer, so search and PVR functions no longer work. There is no programme information to cache, and it was the cache that supported search and PVR functions. There is no fix available at this time. You can still download individual programmes via PID or URL. http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/tv/feeds /quote -- ================================================== ======= Please always reply to ng as the email in this post's header does not exist. Or use a contact address at: http://www.macfh.co.uk/JavaJive/JavaJive.html http://www.macfh.co.uk/Macfarlane/Macfarlane.html |
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On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 21:45:39 +0000
Java Jive wrote: http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail...er/006240.html quote The BBC have removed the programme data feeds used by get_iplayer, so search and PVR functions no longer work. There is no programme information to cache, and it was the cache that supported search and PVR functions. There is no fix available at this time. You can still download individual programmes via PID or URL. http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/tv/feeds /quote Whew. Since I use one or other of those methods, that's ok. And I'm using the Humax and iPlayer to do the job more and more. My normal procedure using get_iplayer is to find the URL with iPlayer, and then use get_player to download it. -- Davey. |
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Yeah, for you perhaps, but the only way I've ever used it is to Google the
name of the program and get-iplayer the resulting URL, followed by some bafflement as it doesn't work, and then do it again with --type=radio -- http://ale.cx/ (AIM:troffasky) ) 09:32:20 up 3 days, 4 min, 5 users, load average: 0.88, 0.56, 0.46 Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice |
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One assumes then this is a cock up rather than a service 'improvement'
I do wish people would subscribe to the old proverb, if it aint broke don't fix it. Brian -- From the Sofa of Brian Gaff Reply address is active "Java Jive" wrote in message ... http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail...er/006240.html quote The BBC have removed the programme data feeds used by get_iplayer, so search and PVR functions no longer work. There is no programme information to cache, and it was the cache that supported search and PVR functions. There is no fix available at this time. You can still download individual programmes via PID or URL. http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/tv/feeds /quote -- ================================================== ======= Please always reply to ng as the email in this post's header does not exist. Or use a contact address at: http://www.macfh.co.uk/JavaJive/JavaJive.html http://www.macfh.co.uk/Macfarlane/Macfarlane.html |
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In article , Davey
wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 21:45:39 +0000 Java Jive wrote: http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail...er/006240.html quote The BBC have removed the programme data feeds used by get_iplayer, so search and PVR functions no longer work. There is no programme information to cache, and it was the cache that supported search and PVR functions. There is no fix available at this time. You can still download individual programmes via PID or URL. http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/tv/feeds /quote Whew. Since I use one or other of those methods, that's ok. And I'm using the Humax and iPlayer to do the job more and more. My normal procedure using get_iplayer is to find the URL with iPlayer, and then use get_player to download it. As luck would have it, I just started trying out get_iplayer this morning! For experiments I tried the series of historic 'Sherlock Holmes' recordings that are under way on R4extra. The PID method seems fine but I've hit a puzzle. One program 'Study in Scarlet' (pid b04lsjkv) simply tells me No programmes are available for this pid with version(s): default This is using get_iplayer --type=radio --pid bo4lsjkv --output "directory name" I've tried adding the --radiomode=better / best / etc. But get exactly the same failure report. I've also tried using O instead of 0, etc, but that fails more simply with Failed to get version pid metadata from iplayer site. So I assume the pid is correct but for some reason the file isn't labelled as 'default', etc. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong? Or is this another sign that the BBC have been moving the deckchairs? Jim -- Please use the address on the audiomisc page if you wish to email me. Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html |
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On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:13:26 +0000 (GMT)
Jim Lesurf wrote: In article , Davey wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 21:45:39 +0000 Java Jive wrote: http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail...er/006240.html quote The BBC have removed the programme data feeds used by get_iplayer, so search and PVR functions no longer work. There is no programme information to cache, and it was the cache that supported search and PVR functions. There is no fix available at this time. You can still download individual programmes via PID or URL. http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/tv/feeds /quote Whew. Since I use one or other of those methods, that's ok. And I'm using the Humax and iPlayer to do the job more and more. My normal procedure using get_iplayer is to find the URL with iPlayer, and then use get_player to download it. As luck would have it, I just started trying out get_iplayer this morning! For experiments I tried the series of historic 'Sherlock Holmes' recordings that are under way on R4extra. The PID method seems fine but I've hit a puzzle. One program 'Study in Scarlet' (pid b04lsjkv) simply tells me No programmes are available for this pid with version(s): default This is using get_iplayer --type=radio --pid bo4lsjkv --output "directory name" I've tried adding the --radiomode=better / best / etc. But get exactly the same failure report. I've also tried using O instead of 0, etc, but that fails more simply with Failed to get version pid metadata from iplayer site. So I assume the pid is correct but for some reason the file isn't labelled as 'default', etc. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong? Or is this another sign that the BBC have been moving the deckchairs? Jim I had the same problem a couple of weeks ago, and I never found the answer. It's as though they want to make it harder and harder to find the programme you want. I tried a day or so later, and it worked. This morning, I opened iPlayer on my Humax, and for BBC4 for the whole of yesterday, it showed only one programme, and that one was not available to view. Huh? I just checked with the PC, an hour after the Humax attempt, and all of yesterday’s programming is there. This is nuts. -- Davey. |
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Java Jive wrote:
...There is no fix available at this time. You can still download individual programmes via PID or URL. Gah. The iplayer feature on my TV is cumbersome to the point of being unusable, and if I pause a programme, then I've got a 50-50 chance of being able to resume it, if I return a few minutes later. With get_iplayer, I was previously able to search on the category "science", pick out the PID of an interesting programme, download that to my network drive, and play that on my TV via the RASPBMC media player on the Raspberry Pi. All with just a few key-clicks using aliases that I'd set up on my computer. Anybody know how to find the PID number? I see that I can search the iplayer website for the complete URL of a title, but if I download using that with get_iplayer, then I end up with a filename like: "BBC_iPlayer_Feeds_-_b01lxyzc_default.mp4" |
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The 8-character code in the URL is the PID, so for that below it's ...
b01lxyzc .... and ... get_iplayer --pid b01lxyzc -g .... should retrieve it. I don't know whether the PID will find the metadata to name the file properly, but I suspect not. My suspicion is that this was held in the *.cache files. On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 12:14:58 +0000, Dave Farrance wrote: "BBC_iPlayer_Feeds_-_b01lxyzc_default.mp4" -- ================================================== ======= Please always reply to ng as the email in this post's header does not exist. Or use a contact address at: http://www.macfh.co.uk/JavaJive/JavaJive.html http://www.macfh.co.uk/Macfarlane/Macfarlane.html |
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In article , Dave Farrance
wrote: Java Jive wrote: ...There is no fix available at this time. You can still download individual programmes via PID or URL. Anybody know how to find the PID number? I see that I can search the iplayer website for the complete URL of a title, but if I download using that with get_iplayer, then I end up with a filename like: "BBC_iPlayer_Feeds_-_b01lxyzc_default.mp4" The last part of the URL of the relevant iplayer webpage is the pid. If I use get_iplayer I'm not applying any conversions and get a file with a name similar to the above, but filetyped ".flv" So I've just been using FF to find the page I'd normally use to play the item. That shows a URL like www.bboc.co.uk/programmes/b007znn3 and the pid for it is b007znn3. So I then use --pid b007znn3 to obtain it with get_iplayer. Jim -- Please use the address on the audiomisc page if you wish to email me. Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html |
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In article , Davey
wrote: On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:13:26 +0000 (GMT) Jim Lesurf wrote: So I assume the pid is correct but for some reason the file isn't labelled as 'default', etc. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong? Or is this another sign that the BBC have been moving the deckchairs? Jim I had the same problem a couple of weeks ago, and I never found the answer. It's as though they want to make it harder and harder to find the programme you want. I tried a day or so later, and it worked. OK, thanks. I'll try again in a day or two. I guess some of the details only get sorted out as and when those involved notice or get around to it! Jim -- Please use the address on the audiomisc page if you wish to email me. Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html |
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On 30/10/14 11:49, Davey wrote:
I had the same problem a couple of weeks ago, and I never found the answer. It's as though they want to make it harder and harder to find the programme you want. Netflix: Excellent streaming quality, always works and fairly easy to get around their catalogue by browsing or searching. iPlayer: Getting harder IME to find anything and the streaming seems to drop off randomly. It's only for Dr Who that I even pay my license (technically I don't even need to as I only watch it in catch-up mode on iPlayer - but ethically...) I'm *this* close to dumping the BBC as I find I can always find Netflix content and it's cheaper. |
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On 29/10/14 21:45, Java Jive wrote:
http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail...er/006240.html quote The BBC have removed the programme data feeds used by get_iplayer, so search and PVR functions no longer work. There is no programme information to cache, and it was the cache that supported search and PVR functions. There is no fix available at this time. You can still download individual programmes via PID or URL. http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/tv/feeds /quote To fix this someone will have to obtain from the BBC a Nitro API key. In the context of what get_iplayer does, I suspect that request will be denied. Further more I can see the PID label one day disappear under a level of encryption. Approaching a dead end, me thinks :( -- Adrian C |
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Tim Watts wrote:
On 30/10/14 11:49, Davey wrote: I'm *this* close to dumping the BBC as I find I can always find Netflix content and it's cheaper. If you do, don't forget to remove TV aerials, and maybe even disassemble tuners from TVs, else the men in the detector vans and jobsworth judges will pile on more grief than you'll want to deal with. |
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On 30/10/14 13:17, Dave Farrance wrote:
Tim Watts wrote: On 30/10/14 11:49, Davey wrote: I'm *this* close to dumping the BBC as I find I can always find Netflix content and it's cheaper. If you do, don't forget to remove TV aerials, and maybe even disassemble tuners from TVs, else the men in the detector vans and jobsworth judges will pile on more grief than you'll want to deal with. Well, none of that is legally necessary. But you are right, they will harass me to death because they are *******s. |
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On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 21:45:39 +0000, Java Jive wrote:
quote The BBC have removed the programme data feeds used by get_iplayer, so search and PVR functions no longer work. There is no programme information to cache, and it was the cache that supported search and PVR functions. There is no fix available at this time. You can still download individual programmes via PID or URL. If its all so totally borked at the Beeb, why is my Logitech Touch working better and faster than ever? OTOH I don't give a stuff about TeeVee. Don't have one. Don't want one. Too much dross and not enough good stuff to justify the cost. Radio is the best. -- [email protected] | Martin Gregorie gregorie. | Essex, UK org | |
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In article , Tim Watts
wrote: On 30/10/14 11:49, Davey wrote: I had the same problem a couple of weeks ago, and I never found the answer. It's as though they want to make it harder and harder to find the programme you want. Netflix: Excellent streaming quality, always works and fairly easy to get around their catalogue by browsing or searching. iPlayer: Getting harder IME to find anything and the streaming seems to drop off randomly. It's only for Dr Who that I even pay my license (technically I don't even need to as I only watch it in catch-up mode on iPlayer - but ethically...) I'm *this* close to dumping the BBC as I find I can always find Netflix content and it's cheaper. Since my main content interests in the iplayer context tend to be concerts on Radio 3 and various programmes on Radios 4/4extra I have my doubts I'd prefer 'Netflix' myself. Personally, I'm happy to pay the license fee just to have such things. FWIW I do like Dr Who... but mainly of the era of Troughton/Hartnell than nowdays. (Although I liked Tennent as the Doctor.) Jim -- Please use the address on the audiomisc page if you wish to email me. Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html |
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This has also broken the Webbie blind persons I player lists as well. They
obviously don't give a **** about us do they? They did this once before and soon put it back when we all complained. Surely this is quite automatic in any case? The snag with the current site is that there seems no way to just get a listing of audio described tv shows on the current incarnation. Sure you can tab down the page every time and see if it is, but life is far too short for this, they have to sort this out. Brian -- From the Sofa of Brian Gaff Reply address is active "Java Jive" wrote in message ... http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail...er/006240.html quote The BBC have removed the programme data feeds used by get_iplayer, so search and PVR functions no longer work. There is no programme information to cache, and it was the cache that supported search and PVR functions. There is no fix available at this time. You can still download individual programmes via PID or URL. http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/tv/feeds /quote -- ================================================== ======= Please always reply to ng as the email in this post's header does not exist. Or use a contact address at: http://www.macfh.co.uk/JavaJive/JavaJive.html http://www.macfh.co.uk/Macfarlane/Macfarlane.html |
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Have they actually done this deliberately then, or as I said earlier is it
another cock up. I am effectively now completely without I player as I relied on the audio described sorting on Webbie to find those shows. I simply scrolled down the list and played what I wanted as it took me straight to the actual page and set the accessibility settings appropriately. Now there are no lists. Bloody cheek of it! Brian -- From the Sofa of Brian Gaff Reply address is active "Martin Gregorie" wrote in message ... On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 21:45:39 +0000, Java Jive wrote: quote The BBC have removed the programme data feeds used by get_iplayer, so search and PVR functions no longer work. There is no programme information to cache, and it was the cache that supported search and PVR functions. There is no fix available at this time. You can still download individual programmes via PID or URL. If its all so totally borked at the Beeb, why is my Logitech Touch working better and faster than ever? OTOH I don't give a stuff about TeeVee. Don't have one. Don't want one. Too much dross and not enough good stuff to justify the cost. Radio is the best. -- [email protected] | Martin Gregorie gregorie. | Essex, UK org | |
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On 30/10/14 16:05, Brian Gaff wrote:
Have they actually done this deliberately then, or as I said earlier is it another cock up. I am effectively now completely without I player as I relied on the audio described sorting on Webbie to find those shows. I simply scrolled down the list and played what I wanted as it took me straight to the actual page and set the accessibility settings appropriately. Now there are no lists. Bloody cheek of it! Brian It's a deliberate action, though whether it breaks get_iplayer by design is less certain. http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/tv/feeds -- Dave |
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On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 12:36:49 +0000
Tim Watts wrote: On 30/10/14 11:49, Davey wrote: I had the same problem a couple of weeks ago, and I never found the answer. It's as though they want to make it harder and harder to find the programme you want. Netflix: Excellent streaming quality, always works and fairly easy to get around their catalogue by browsing or searching. iPlayer: Getting harder IME to find anything and the streaming seems to drop off randomly. It's only for Dr Who that I even pay my license (technically I don't even need to as I only watch it in catch-up mode on iPlayer - but ethically...) I'm *this* close to dumping the BBC as I find I can always find Netflix content and it's cheaper. I tried Netflix for a one-month trial, and found that they offered very very little that I wanted. I had no problems using get_iplayer then, of course, but the cost of Netflix was certainly no value to me. -- Davey. |
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On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 16:13:53 +0000
dave wrote: On 30/10/14 16:05, Brian Gaff wrote: Have they actually done this deliberately then, or as I said earlier is it another cock up. I am effectively now completely without I player as I relied on the audio described sorting on Webbie to find those shows. I simply scrolled down the list and played what I wanted as it took me straight to the actual page and set the accessibility settings appropriately. Now there are no lists. Bloody cheek of it! Brian It's a deliberate action, though whether it breaks get_iplayer by design is less certain. http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/tv/feeds Hmmm. That link suggests to me they are actually trying to be inclusive. They specifically mention 'enthusiasts'. -- W J G |
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Java Jive wrote:
... get_iplayer --pid b01lxyzc -g ... should retrieve it. I don't know whether the PID will find the metadata to name the file properly, but I suspect not. My suspicion is that this was held in the *.cache files. You're right -- it does not. Ho hum, I feel a bash script coming on. So, I want to open Firefox to the iplayer page containing the programme, then just click an icon in the taskbar that triggers an examination of Firefox for the relevant information, downloads the programme and gives it a suitable filename. Icon linked to this script, set visible shell mode, with work directory set as wanted: #!/bin/bash # Get iplayer video info from Firefox and save video to work dir fail() { echo "Error: $*"; exit 1; } [[ ! -f /usr/bin/xdotool ]] && fail "install xdotool" [[ ! -f /usr/bin/xclip ]] && fail "install xclip" ffid=$(xdotool search --name 'Mozilla Firefox') # Firefox id [[ -z "$ffid" ]] && fail "Can not find Firefox window" xdotool key --window $ffid ctrl+l ctrl+c # get Firefox URL url=$(xclip -o) [[ "$url" != *bbc.co.uk/iplayer* ]] && fail "Not an iplayer URL" pidname=${url#*episode\/} pid=${pidname%%\/*} title=${url##*\/} echo "PID: $pid Title: $title" read -p "OK to download? [Yn] " yn [[ "$yn" = [nN]* ]] && fail "canceled by user" mkdir -p tvr get_iplayer --modes=best -o tvr --pid "$pid" suffix=$(ls -1 tvr/BBC_iPl* | head -n1 | grep -o '[.][a-z0-9]*$') mv tvr/BBC_iPl* "$title$suffix" rmdir tvr |
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On 30/10/14 17:07, Folderol wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 16:13:53 +0000 dave wrote: On 30/10/14 16:05, Brian Gaff wrote: Have they actually done this deliberately then, or as I said earlier is it another cock up. I am effectively now completely without I player as I relied on the audio described sorting on Webbie to find those shows. I simply scrolled down the list and played what I wanted as it took me straight to the actual page and set the accessibility settings appropriately. Now there are no lists. Bloody cheek of it! Brian It's a deliberate action, though whether it breaks get_iplayer by design is less certain. http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/tv/feeds Hmmm. That link suggests to me they are actually trying to be inclusive. They specifically mention 'enthusiasts'. This one rather less so. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/internet/...g-Platform-API especially Comment 6: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/internet/...ment_120679555 -- Dave |
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On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 17:32:28 +0000
dave wrote: On 30/10/14 17:07, Folderol wrote: On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 16:13:53 +0000 dave wrote: On 30/10/14 16:05, Brian Gaff wrote: Have they actually done this deliberately then, or as I said earlier is it another cock up. I am effectively now completely without I player as I relied on the audio described sorting on Webbie to find those shows. I simply scrolled down the list and played what I wanted as it took me straight to the actual page and set the accessibility settings appropriately. Now there are no lists. Bloody cheek of it! Brian It's a deliberate action, though whether it breaks get_iplayer by design is less certain. http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/tv/feeds Hmmm. That link suggests to me they are actually trying to be inclusive. They specifically mention 'enthusiasts'. This one rather less so. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/internet/...g-Platform-API especially Comment 6: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/internet/...ment_120679555 You're right. That's not just bad, it's downright arrogantly bad :( -- W J G |
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In article [email protected], Folderol
wrote: On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 17:32:28 +0000 dave wrote: This one rather less so. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/internet/...g-Platform-API especially Comment 6: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/internet/...ment_120679555 You're right. That's not just bad, it's downright arrogantly bad :( Well, "does not sanction" may or may not mean "is determined to prevent people from using it or anything similar in future". It may mean "you're on your own, chum, when it comes to working around our changes". Maybe they had no choice but to switch off due to cuts, etc. What that means in practice in the end, dunno. Its pretty negative and not exactly friendly, though. :-/ I'm also curious about what Brian seems to be saying. i.e. That this fouls up access for the blind. If so, the BBC might be running into legal trouble. The messages seem a bit contradictory at this point. Is 'nitro' linked to dropping the previous feeds or not? What made anyone think it made sense to drop the feeds months before any 'replacement', or is this just an absence of joined up management? Was it an absolute impossibility to extend the use of the old system until the new one was a success? It does seem risky in engineering terms to break what you had before a 'replacement' is actually in use and works OK. Whatever, its bound to prompt a lot of compliants. Wonder what R4's 'Feedback' email pile will look like in the next few days. :-) I emailed someone I know to ask about this. They are on holiday. Hmmm. Maybe they decided this was a good time to be away from the office... ;- All that said, probably best at present to give this a while to let the situation clarify. Not 'sanctioning' something that has worked may not mean that the new system won't provide a basis for a decent alternative. For all we know at present, the eventual replacement might turn out to be much *better* as a basis of a 'son-of-get-iplayer' system in the future. Jim -- Please use the address on the audiomisc page if you wish to email me. Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html |
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Folderol wrote:
dave wrote: This one rather less so. especially Comment 6: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/internet/...ment_120679555 You're right. That's not just bad, it's downright arrogantly bad :( It's a necesary position for the BBC. It cannot be seen publicly to be supporting anything that could (easily) allow for programmes to be stored outside the permitted 7/30 day period. Get_iplayer honours that restriction, but as the programmes are broadcast - and therefore stored - without DRM it's potentially a sticking point. The BBC doesn't sanction the use of get_iplayer, but it hasn't so far actively attempted to close it down[*]. I haven't read much about Nitro but unless it provides end-to-end encryption it isn't necessarily a complete show-stopper. Or is it...? Chris [*] More than once |
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In message , Jim Lesurf
writes Since my main content interests in the iplayer context tend to be concerts on Radio 3 and various programmes on Radios 4/4extra I have my doubts I'd prefer 'Netflix' myself. Personally, I'm happy to pay the license fee just to have such things. I didn't think you needed a licence for radio programmes, unless you listen to them on a TV. Adrian -- To Reply : replace "bulleid" with "adrian" - all mail to bulleid is rejected Sorry for the rigmarole, If I want spam, I'll go to the shops Every time someone says "I don't believe in trolls", another one dies. |
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On 30/10/14 17:01, Davey wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 12:36:49 +0000 Tim Watts wrote: On 30/10/14 11:49, Davey wrote: I had the same problem a couple of weeks ago, and I never found the answer. It's as though they want to make it harder and harder to find the programme you want. Netflix: Excellent streaming quality, always works and fairly easy to get around their catalogue by browsing or searching. iPlayer: Getting harder IME to find anything and the streaming seems to drop off randomly. It's only for Dr Who that I even pay my license (technically I don't even need to as I only watch it in catch-up mode on iPlayer - but ethically...) I'm *this* close to dumping the BBC as I find I can always find Netflix content and it's cheaper. I tried Netflix for a one-month trial, and found that they offered very very little that I wanted. I had no problems using get_iplayer then, of course, but the cost of Netflix was certainly no value to me. Yes - the UK catalogue is pants. OTOH if you add on UnblockUS, you can get all of the netflix catalogues on demand :) |
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On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 20:31:49 +0000, Adrian wrote:
In message , Jim Lesurf writes Since my main content interests in the iplayer context tend to be concerts on Radio 3 and various programmes on Radios 4/4extra I have my doubts I'd prefer 'Netflix' myself. Personally, I'm happy to pay the license fee just to have such things. I didn't think you needed a licence for radio programmes, unless you listen to them on a TV. You don't AFAIK, but in some ways I rather wish there was one: it would at least give those receiving the license fee some incentive to take more notice of their listeners. -- [email protected] | Martin Gregorie gregorie. | Essex, UK org | |
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On 29/10/14 21:45, Java Jive wrote:
http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail...er/006240.html quote The BBC have removed the programme data feeds used by get_iplayer, so search and PVR functions no longer work. There is no programme information to cache, and it was the cache that supported search and PVR functions. There is no fix available at this time. You can still download individual programmes via PID or URL. http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/tv/feeds /quote Yes, this is very annoying. Someone I know has a smart TV, and they changed the way that works to, so now they can't get radio on it either. SWIM tried to download some of The Code (That BBC4 Australian program where there's that slightly weird guy who uses all those linux commands in the first episode.) , using the url yesterday evening and it seems to not work using get_iplayer now either. Is there a HTML5 version of the iplayer website? I kind of relied on get_iplayer so I didn't have to install proprietary flash. |
BBC Have Broken GetIPlayer
Why is the question surely? What possible harm was this doing?
The problem I now have is that i can still see lists of the main channels but all the special sorted lists have gone away, including the audio described one which was a list similar to exporer, a one line description of each audio described show, which when pressed took you to the page and set the ad flag as well so all you had to do is click the embedded flash object and hit play button. Now I do not know which items have ad in, say the bbc1 list, but say I know, like dr who. I cannot find a simple checkbox on the page to set ad on, its always off by default. Is there one there? There is a link but that throws you off the page for the player to another page with lots of episodes on it an still not obvious way to turn on ad. They seriously need to have a simple way to turn this on and off on the page itself. Anyone know how to do this from the keyboard? Brian -- From the Sofa of Brian Gaff Reply address is active "Frederick" wrote in message ... On 29/10/14 21:45, Java Jive wrote: http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail...er/006240.html quote The BBC have removed the programme data feeds used by get_iplayer, so search and PVR functions no longer work. There is no programme information to cache, and it was the cache that supported search and PVR functions. There is no fix available at this time. You can still download individual programmes via PID or URL. http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/tv/feeds /quote Yes, this is very annoying. Someone I know has a smart TV, and they changed the way that works to, so now they can't get radio on it either. SWIM tried to download some of The Code (That BBC4 Australian program where there's that slightly weird guy who uses all those linux commands in the first episode.) , using the url yesterday evening and it seems to not work using get_iplayer now either. Is there a HTML5 version of the iplayer website? I kind of relied on get_iplayer so I didn't have to install proprietary flash. |
BBC Have Broken GetIPlayer
On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 22:22:10 +0000 (UTC), Martin Gregorie
wrote: I didn't think you needed a licence for radio programmes, unless you listen to them on a TV. You don't AFAIK, but in some ways I rather wish there was one: it would at least give those receiving the license fee some incentive to take more notice of their listeners. It hasn't been necessary for many years to buy a licence to listen to radio, and I'm not even sure about the use of a TV receiver, since the TV licence is for the reception of TV broadcasts and is not required simply to own a TV set. I suppose it boils down to what level of pedantry they apply to the definition of a Freeview radio broadcast. Is it radio because it's radio, regardless of the transport medium, or do they count it as a TV broadcast that just happens to be sound only? If it's the transport medium that determines the matter, rather than the absence of pictures, then what's an internet "radio" broadcast? Rod. |
BBC Have Broken GetIPlayer
On 31/10/14 08:03, Brian Gaff wrote:
Why is the question surely? What possible harm was this doing? According to the blog I referred to earlier, the hosting contract for the parts of iPlayer including this feed expired. Presumably the Nitro project which was supposed to be the replacement was delayed, but the money saved by cancelling the old contract had already been spent so it couldn't be renewed. Typical management incompetence, in other words. -- Dave |
BBC Have Broken GetIPlayer
In article , Adrian
wrote: In message , Jim Lesurf writes Since my main content interests in the iplayer context tend to be concerts on Radio 3 and various programmes on Radios 4/4extra I have my doubts I'd prefer 'Netflix' myself. Personally, I'm happy to pay the license fee just to have such things. I didn't think you needed a licence for radio programmes, unless you listen to them on a TV. My point was that although I *do* watch TV as well, I'd be quite happy to pay the fee even if I didn't whilst the BBC produces the radio programs that interest me. So far as I'm concerned the Proms broadcasts alone justify the fee! Jim -- Please use the address on the audiomisc page if you wish to email me. Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html |
BBC Have Broken GetIPlayer
In article , dave wrote:
On 31/10/14 08:03, Brian Gaff wrote: Why is the question surely? What possible harm was this doing? According to the blog I referred to earlier, the hosting contract for the parts of iPlayer including this feed expired. Which raises questions like: They presumably knew well in advance when this would expire. So what advance notice did they give to warn those relying upon it so they could make plans for the change? Presumably the Nitro project which was supposed to be the replacement was delayed, but the money saved by cancelling the old contract had already been spent so it couldn't be renewed. Typical management incompetence, in other words. If so, its a classic problem I've seen many times. Some years ago our local theatre decided they wanted a nice new building. Error 1 was to demolish the old theater before work started on the new one. This lead to the predicatable result. The contractors stopped work partway though construction and demanded more money or they'd go bust and walk away. Thus dramatically increasing the cost and the period before the new building was finished and opened. Error 2 was for the new building to be a grand and large one. So both the building and running costs were high. Despite only having much the same number of seats. I and others predicted problem 1: The constuction delays and added costs and their reason. We also predicted well before time the next problem. That as soon as there was any kind of 'downturn' in the economy the new building would become a financial anchor. A year or so the theatre went bust and dark. It has now been 'rescued' by being taken over by the local University on a long lease at trivial cost. Time will tell if our next prediction will come true. That as time passes the theatre will be used less and less for public shows, plays, etc, and eventually become a University facility which the public have forgotten. And we have no local theatre. That may seem a negative prediction. But some of us have seen how the Uni has treated other local projects. So remain wary. Time will tell... WRT the BBC and get_iplayer. They clearly have no duty to help maintain it as a program. Not their project or responsibility. But if it is the case that a number of fee payers have come to regularly rely on something like get_iplayer then the BBC do have some responsibility to take that into account. Particularly if for some specific groups like those with a sight problem, what they have ceased was important in helping them access content. So if they've taken something away they do need to provide something equivalent in terms of accessibility to content. Be interesting to see what they come up with. I doubt that a 'solution' tied to going via commercial gatekeepers would be equivalent. Particularly if it means having to pay a third party rather than an openly/freely accessible method. Jim -- Please use the address on the audiomisc page if you wish to email me. Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html |
BBC Have Broken GetIPlayer
dave (for it is he) wrote:
According to the blog I referred to earlier, the hosting contract for the parts of iPlayer including this feed expired. The BBC have so much of their own internet infrastructure, including peering with other ISPs, yet they outsource the hosting? That's a bit WTF-y by itself, but the idea that the people who were hosting it refused to extend the contract is unbelievable. Presumably the BBC didn't ask, or didn't want to extend the hosting contract. -- http://ale.cx/ (AIM:troffasky) ) 10:09:06 up 4 days, 41 min, 5 users, load average: 0.39, 0.47, 0.44 Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice |
BBC Have Broken GetIPlayer
Martin Gregorie (for it is he) wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 20:31:49 +0000, Adrian wrote: I didn't think you needed a licence for radio programmes, unless you listen to them on a TV. You don't AFAIK, but in some ways I rather wish there was one: it would at least give those receiving the license fee some incentive to take more notice of their listeners. I would happily pay for a radio-only license. -- http://ale.cx/ (AIM:troffasky) ) 10:11:48 up 4 days, 44 min, 5 users, load average: 0.88, 0.57, 0.48 Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice |
BBC Have Broken GetIPlayer
On 30/10/14 19:02, Chris Davies wrote:
Folderol wrote: dave wrote: This one rather less so. especially Comment 6: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/internet/...ment_120679555 You're right. That's not just bad, it's downright arrogantly bad :( It's a necesary position for the BBC. It cannot be seen publicly to be supporting anything that could (easily) allow for programmes to be stored outside the permitted 7/30 day period. Get_iplayer honours that restriction, but as the programmes are broadcast - and therefore stored - without DRM it's potentially a sticking point. The BBC doesn't sanction the use of get_iplayer, but it hasn't so far actively attempted to close it down[*]. For which we should be duly thankful. I think it's clear that it's unreasonable to expect the BBC to build new systems that allow people to hold on to downloaded content longer than the limits imposed in its own iPlayer. So while the API will quite possibly be made available to open-source developers I expect that it will only allow them to build new interfaces to the same data that iPlayer delivers. -- Bernard Peek In search of cognoscenti (again) |
BBC Have Broken GetIPlayer
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 10:48:47 +0000
Bernard Peek wrote: On 30/10/14 19:02, Chris Davies wrote: Folderol wrote: dave wrote: This one rather less so. especially Comment 6: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/internet/...ment_120679555 You're right. That's not just bad, it's downright arrogantly bad :( It's a necesary position for the BBC. It cannot be seen publicly to be supporting anything that could (easily) allow for programmes to be stored outside the permitted 7/30 day period. Get_iplayer honours that restriction, but as the programmes are broadcast - and therefore stored - without DRM it's potentially a sticking point. The BBC doesn't sanction the use of get_iplayer, but it hasn't so far actively attempted to close it down[*]. For which we should be duly thankful. I think it's clear that it's unreasonable to expect the BBC to build new systems that allow people to hold on to downloaded content longer than the limits imposed in its own iPlayer. So while the API will quite possibly be made available to open-source developers I expect that it will only allow them to build new interfaces to the same data that iPlayer delivers. What is unreasonable is that the iPlayer provided by the BBC doesn't work for storing content, and if it does, then they 'fix' it soon afterwards, so that it's useless again. The reason I use get_iplayer is because I can never get their 'Desktop', or whatever it's called this month, to work. -- Davey. |
BBC Have Broken GetIPlayer
On 31/10/14 10:59, Davey wrote:
For which we should be duly thankful. I think it's clear that it's unreasonable to expect the BBC to build new systems that allow people to hold on to downloaded content longer than the limits imposed in its own iPlayer. So while the API will quite possibly be made available to open-source developers I expect that it will only allow them to build new interfaces to the same data that iPlayer delivers. What is unreasonable is that the iPlayer provided by the BBC doesn't work for storing content, and if it does, then they 'fix' it soon afterwards, so that it's useless again. The reason I use get_iplayer is because I can never get their 'Desktop', or whatever it's called this month, to work. I've never really had many problems with iPlayer but haven't used it much since I found get_iplayer. I was always able to save downloaded material for up to 30 days. -- Bernard Peek In search of cognoscenti (again) |
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