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On 07/03/2014 13:58, Martin wrote:
On Thu, 06 Mar 2014 19:11:23 +0000, Peter Duncanson
wrote:

snip

The Guardian also reports that BBC is likely to announce BBC3's
original programming will now air on BBC1 from 11pm but will be cut
from one hour to 30 minutes.

Eastenders repeats currently shown on BBC 3 have to go somewhere too.

Actually, make BBC 3's replacement BBC 1+2.5, and no one will notice.

As pointed out in another group last night, if BBC 1+1 isn't going to
come on until 7pm (possibly 8pm to avoid the tricky issue of having 18
regional variations to delay) and BBC 1 simulcasts BBC News from 1am
until 6am, then quite honestly what's the bloody point ? BBC News
overnight is full of stuff effectively repeated from the previous hour
anyway !

There's a hole in my bucket........

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In article ,
Martin writes:
On Thu, 06 Mar 2014 18:56:27 +0000, Mark Carver
wrote:

Brian Gaff wrote:
Maybe some of those not
on freeview but free on the sat could be put on the freeview channels

Seems that space is destined to be taken by BBC 1+1

Get rid of BBC 4 to make room for BBC2+1 next?

I hope not, but they announced some time ago that the channel would no
longer be commissioning any original drama.
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On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 15:59:50 +0000, Mark Carver
wrote:

Actually, make BBC 3's replacement BBC 1+2.5, and no one will notice.

As pointed out in another group last night, if BBC 1+1 isn't going to
come on until 7pm (possibly 8pm to avoid the tricky issue of having 18
regional variations to delay) and BBC 1 simulcasts BBC News from 1am
until 6am, then quite honestly what's the bloody point ? BBC News
overnight is full of stuff effectively repeated from the previous hour
anyway !

Should I repost this again tomorrow? :-)

Anyway, if there's any trickiness in the regional dept., why wouldn't
it also apply at 22:25?

How do +1 channels work technically anyway? Do they just repeat the
triggers on another port of a server (what happens to live stuff and
voiceovers and breakdowns and other such anomolies?) or do they just
record everything as transmitted and buffer it for an hour before
playing out again?

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Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 15:59:50 +0000, Mark Carver
wrote:

Actually, make BBC 3's replacement BBC 1+2.5, and no one will notice.

As pointed out in another group last night, if BBC 1+1 isn't going to
come on until 7pm (possibly 8pm to avoid the tricky issue of having 18
regional variations to delay) and BBC 1 simulcasts BBC News from 1am
until 6am, then quite honestly what's the bloody point ? BBC News
overnight is full of stuff effectively repeated from the previous hour
anyway !

Should I repost this again tomorrow? :-)

Anyway, if there's any trickiness in the regional dept., why wouldn't
it also apply at 22:25?

Well it would, but I suppose that would only requite 7.5 mins of 'move along
now, nothing to see here' captions ?

How do +1 channels work technically anyway? Do they just repeat the
triggers on another port of a server (what happens to live stuff and
voiceovers and breakdowns and other such anomolies?) or do they just
record everything as transmitted and buffer it for an hour before
playing out again?

Part of Ofcom's conditions for licensing +1 channels, is they must be
*exactly* the same as the main channel, but just an hour later. Except
of course some content has to be blanked out for rights issues. I think
most broadcasters just stuff their main output through a server on delay, and
use triggers from the main service automation to blank out things at the right
moments.

I'm sure the Beeb will devise their own very special and unique method of
implementation :-)


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On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 14:27:54 +0000, Mark
wrote:

Who wants yet another +1 channel? (hint: not me)

I don't either. They serve no purpose since DVR was developed.

Steve

Yes they do if your DVR can only record one thing at a time.

Yes that's true but I have never needed to record more than one
program.

Can't most (modern) PVRs record more than one programme at once?

Even if they can't, two of them can record two things at once, three
of them can record three things at once, four of them can record four
things at once, and so on. You just equip yourself with whatever you
need, depending on how much of your life you want to spend/waste
watching television.

A setup that seems to cover every eventuality is a two tuner PVR plus
the old single tuner PVR I never bothered to get rid of. The old one
very rarely gets used, and then usually only because it also includes
a DVD recorder.

Rod.

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On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 16:15:13 +0100, Martin wrote:


Who wants yet another +1 channel? (hint: not me)

I don't either. They serve no purpose since DVR was developed.

They solve the problem of recording clashes and just missing a programme when in
serendipity mode.

So does iPlayer.

Rod.

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"Mark" wrote in message ...

On Thu, 6 Mar 2014 23:11:11 -0000, "Max Demian"
wrote:

"Peter Duncanson" wrote in message
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On Thu, 6 Mar 2014 18:00:09 +0100, "tim....."
wrote:
"David" wrote in message ...

When this BBC3 closes does that mean the children's programs closed too
on
the daytime that shares with it?

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seems not

(that's one of the reasons why the savings don't make sense)

It seems that the BBC3 bandwidth will be used for a BBC1+1 service. That
will presumably be during the evening rather than daytime.

Here is a bit more information from the horse's mouth (or nearby orifice):

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Why is the BBC closing a TV channel?

BBC News, UK, 6 March 2014
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-26469085

The BBC has announced sweeping changes to youth channel BBC Three, which
will disappear from the EPG in autumn 2015.

The channel will continue in a truncated form on the iPlayer, while some of
its more popular programmes could transfer to BBC One and Two.

Overall, its programme budget will be cut from the current £85 million to
£25 million.

The closure will make way for an extension of CBBC's broadcasting hours,
and
a BBC One + 1 channel.
[...]

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Who wants yet another +1 channel? (hint: not me)

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Me, especially in the 8-10pm slots

I frequently get double and triple clashes in this time slot and have to
resolve them by shifting one of them - something that I currently can't do
if the clash is between 3 BBC channels

tim

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"Martin" wrote in message
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On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 12:53:49 +0000, Dave W wrote:

On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 11:04:45 +0000, Stephen Wolstenholme
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 09:18:16 +0000, Mark
wrote:

Who wants yet another +1 channel? (hint: not me)

I don't either. They serve no purpose since DVR was developed.

Steve

Yes they do if your DVR can only record one thing at a time.

Even when you can record two things at a time sometimes

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Yep, even then I sometimes can't record all that I want;

Here's a clash from Wednesday nights 9pm end Jan/beginning Feb:

Outnumbered (BBC1), Horizon (BBC2), MM(ITV). I can't resolve this by
shifting MM as it starts at 8pm, so shifting it an hour still leaves me with
a 9pm clash (though I can fix it by ****ing about splitting it into two -
but WTF! [1]). I need to be able to shift one of the BBC channels to fix it
properly

tim

[1]I did actually try this once and then the PVR decided that it wasn't
going to record the second half






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"Martin" wrote in message
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On Thu, 6 Mar 2014 18:03:46 +0100, "tim....."
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"Brian Gaff" wrote in message ...

BBC 1 plus 1?
Anyway, one can now see one of the reasons they wanted to cancel Sky at
night. They are running out of our dosh. Perhaps its time to get a new
model. Surely the BBCs job as a public service broadcaster is to cater for
things the commercial folk cannot as they cannot sell adverts in it. Then
if
any of the stuff gets popular, they should have a commercial wing that can
carry on making sid shows and put them out with adverts to help with
funding
the rest of the BBC.

That way surely eveyone wins. However that pre supposes that commercials
actually work. My guess is that now so many people are getting their
content
via other means which enables editing of the adverts, that commercial
funding is going to be a decreasing revenue.

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You obviously didn't see the report that I linked a week or so back

despite the trumpeted success of streamed media, 98.5% of TV is still
watched as "live" broadcasts.

Amongst the 1000 households sampled.

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I don't know how big the sample that they use is. But I'm sure that they
can sanity check the iPlayer figure by looking at their server stats

tim

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"tim....." wrote in message
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"Martin" wrote in message
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On Thu, 6 Mar 2014 18:03:46 +0100, "tim....."
wrote:



"Brian Gaff" wrote in message ...

BBC 1 plus 1?
Anyway, one can now see one of the reasons they wanted to cancel Sky at
night. They are running out of our dosh. Perhaps its time to get a new
model. Surely the BBCs job as a public service broadcaster is to cater for
things the commercial folk cannot as they cannot sell adverts in it. Then
if
any of the stuff gets popular, they should have a commercial wing that can
carry on making sid shows and put them out with adverts to help with
funding
the rest of the BBC.

That way surely eveyone wins. However that pre supposes that commercials
actually work. My guess is that now so many people are getting their
content
via other means which enables editing of the adverts, that commercial
funding is going to be a decreasing revenue.

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You obviously didn't see the report that I linked a week or so back

despite the trumpeted success of streamed media, 98.5% of TV is still
watched as "live" broadcasts.

Amongst the 1000 households sampled.

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I don't know how big the sample that they use is. But I'm sure that they
can sanity check the iPlayer figure by looking at their server stats

It is a well known fact that 83 per cent of statistical samples are
inaccurate.
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