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That ol' HD confusion thing..
Killing time in Morrison's while the wife was doing the shopping, I
wandered over to the 'electrical section', as we have been talking about getting a small TV for the guest bedroom, and I thought that I might see what was on offer. The two smallest sets they had (of three), with their brand name on them, were a 22" Full HD set, with 1080p resolution, and a 24" set, HD-Ready, with 720p resolution. I thought that HD-Ready was supposed to include at least 1080i resolution ability. I think I'll go to a proper shop anyway. -- Davey. |
That ol' HD confusion thing..
Morrisons have no idea on technology of TV sets. Stick to buying cans of
beans there. Regards David "Davey" wrote in message ... Killing time in Morrison's while the wife was doing the shopping, I wandered over to the 'electrical section', as we have been talking about getting a small TV for the guest bedroom, and I thought that I might see what was on offer. The two smallest sets they had (of three), with their brand name on them, were a 22" Full HD set, with 1080p resolution, and a 24" set, HD-Ready, with 720p resolution. I thought that HD-Ready was supposed to include at least 1080i resolution ability. I think I'll go to a proper shop anyway. -- Davey. |
That ol' HD confusion thing..
On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 11:20:44 -0000, "David" wrote:
Morrisons have no idea on technology of TV sets. Stick to buying cans of beans there. Regards David "Davey" wrote in message ... Killing time in Morrison's while the wife was doing the shopping, I wandered over to the 'electrical section', as we have been talking about getting a small TV for the guest bedroom, and I thought that I might see what was on offer. The two smallest sets they had (of three), with their brand name on them, were a 22" Full HD set, with 1080p resolution, and a 24" set, HD-Ready, with 720p resolution. I thought that HD-Ready was supposed to include at least 1080i resolution ability. I think I'll go to a proper shop anyway. Excuse me, are these beans really broad, or just anamorphic? -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
That ol' HD confusion thing..
On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 11:20:44 -0000
"David" wrote: Morrisons have no idea on technology of TV sets. Stick to buying cans of beans there. Regards David Have no fear. They have been known to carry Verbatim DVDs, though. -- Davey. |
That ol' HD confusion thing..
On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 11:13:06 +0000, Davey wrote:
Killing time in Morrison's while the wife was doing the shopping, I wandered over to the 'electrical section', as we have been talking about getting a small TV for the guest bedroom, and I thought that I might see what was on offer. The two smallest sets they had (of three), with their brand name on them, were a 22" Full HD set, with 1080p resolution, and a 24" set, HD-Ready, with 720p resolution. I thought that HD-Ready was supposed to include at least 1080i resolution ability. Not necessarily. Internationally, 720 is classified as HD, along with 1080i/p. As the table here shows, HD Ready means "720 horizontal lines (rows) in widescreen ratio" and HD Ready 1080p means "1920×1080": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_read...ents_and_logos http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_HD The AV equipment manufacturing industry has adopted the term Full HD as the consumer-friendly marketing term to mean the set is a safe purchase because it can display all available HD resolutions up to 1080p. The term is misleading, however, because it does not guarantee the set is capable of rendering digital video at all frame rates encoded in source files with 1080 pixel vertical resolution. Most notably, a "Full HD" set is not guaranteed to support the 1080p24 format, leading to consumer confusion. We've discussed this before. The problem is that the sellers are trying to use short phrases when longer descriptions would be more accurate and complete. I think I'll go to a proper shop anyway. -- Peter Duncanson (in uk.tech.digital-tv) |
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Davey wrote:
I think I'll go to a proper shop anyway. Actually, I wouldn't. In my experience the staff are just as clueless. What I do is research the product(s) extensively on the web, so I'm sure I understand exactly what I'm getting (and what I'm not). They I buy it from John Lewis, because they often give good guarantees and in any case I want to support them. -- SteveT |
That ol' HD confusion thing..
"Davey" wrote in message
... Killing time in Morrison's while the wife was doing the shopping, I wandered over to the 'electrical section', as we have been talking about getting a small TV for the guest bedroom, and I thought that I might see what was on offer. The two smallest sets they had (of three), with their brand name on them, were a 22" Full HD set, with 1080p resolution, and a 24" set, HD-Ready, with 720p resolution. I thought that HD-Ready was supposed to include at least 1080i resolution ability. I think I'll go to a proper shop anyway. A set that is marked 'HD ready' will only do 1366x768 resolution or around 1Mp. It will usually accept 1080i but you won't see much difference - certainly not on small screens like those. Full HD is designed to work with 1920x1080 or around 2Mp so you get 70% better resolution and the picture will subjectively seem sharper even in SD. In terms of broadcast, most transmission upscales to 1080i especially if it is moving only going to 1080p when static. Having said that the only way a broadcast signal will do 1080anything is by upscaling as both DTTV and Sat both use 720p native. AIUI native 1080p can only be obtained from a Blu-Ray disc. -- Woody harrogate three at ntlworld dot com |
That ol' HD confusion thing..
What annoys me sets labelled HD do not in many cases have Freeview HD TV
stations. Morrisons in particular with their TV sets and digi boxes are only SD, the staff think they have the very latest standards. Regards David "Woody" wrote in message ... A set that is marked 'HD ready' will only do 1366x768 resolution or around 1Mp. It will usually accept 1080i but you won't see much difference - certainly not on small screens like those. Full HD is designed to work with 1920x1080 or around 2Mp so you get 70% better resolution and the picture will subjectively seem sharper even in SD. In terms of broadcast, most transmission upscales to 1080i especially if it is moving only going to 1080p when static. Having said that the only way a broadcast signal will do 1080anything is by upscaling as both DTTV and Sat both use 720p native. AIUI native 1080p can only be obtained from a Blu-Ray disc. -- Woody harrogate three at ntlworld dot com |
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On 22/01/2014 13:53, Woody wrote:
AIUI native 1080p can only be obtained from a Blu-Ray disc. Depends what you mean by 'Native 1080p' ? 1080p25 is alive and well and in use on Freeview HD transmissions on the PSB 3 mux, on a GOP by GOP basis the encoders look at the picture content, and if there's no difference between field 1 and field 2 of the 1080i50 signal, then the encoding switches to 1080p25 mode. Been like that for a couple of years now. Not sure about Mux 7 ? the Beeb don't encode that, like D-Sat that's fixed at 1080i50 I think, regardless of content. BluRay supports 1080p24, (for movies in their native frame rate) or 1080i50, I don't think it can support 1080-p at anything beyond 24p. It can only do 50p at 720 resolutions ? -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. |
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On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 16:34:04 -0000
"Brian Gaff" wrote: Yes indeed. Much the same seems to go for Tesco. A friend told me that they don't know what an hdmi lead is. Well the droid on duty didnt. Brian He was lucky to find anyone to ask. In our local branch, the electrical stuff is just there available to look at, but there's never anyone around to ask anything. -- Davey. |
That ol' HD confusion thing..
On 22/01/2014 11:13, Davey wrote:
Killing time in Morrison's while the wife was doing the shopping, I wandered over to the 'electrical section', as we have been talking about getting a small TV for the guest bedroom, and I thought that I might see what was on offer. The two smallest sets they had (of three), with their brand name on them, were a 22" Full HD set, with 1080p resolution, and a 24" set, HD-Ready, with 720p resolution. I thought that HD-Ready was supposed to include at least 1080i resolution ability. I think I'll go to a proper shop anyway. lcd televisions are not interlaced - only way to see a 1080i signal at it's full quality is a 1080p set. -- Gareth. That fly.... Is your magic wand. |
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Brian Gaff wrote:
Yes indeed. Much the same seems to go for Tesco. A friend told me that they don't know what an hdmi lead is. Well the droid on duty didnt. Tell them it's something that has to be supplied free of charge by an EU directive with any TV set or PVR that's sold :-) -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. |
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"David" wrote in message
... What annoys me sets labelled HD do not in many cases have Freeview HD TV stations. Morrisons in particular with their TV sets and digi boxes are only SD, the staff think they have the very latest standards. Tell them you want to watch Al Jazeera in Arabic (using a suitable thick accent) if you really want to confuse them. (Al Jazeera Arabic is SD but needs a DVB-T2 tuner to receive it.) -- Max Demian |
That ol' HD confusion thing..
"Davey" wrote in message ... Killing time in Morrison's while the wife was doing the shopping, I wandered over to the 'electrical section', as we have been talking about getting a small TV for the guest bedroom, and I thought that I might see what was on offer. The two smallest sets they had (of three), with their brand name on them, were a 22" Full HD set, with 1080p resolution, and a 24" set, HD-Ready, with 720p resolution. I thought that HD-Ready was supposed to include at least 1080i resolution ability. I think I'll go to a proper shop anyway. -- Davey. Nah - 720p is all you get in the USA. Anyway unless you plug in a BD player or similar you won't get any 1080 anything UNLESS you also have either Freeview HD or Freesat HD. |
That ol' HD confusion thing..
"R. Mark Clayton" wrote in message
... "Davey" wrote in message ... Killing time in Morrison's while the wife was doing the shopping, I wandered over to the 'electrical section', as we have been talking about getting a small TV for the guest bedroom, and I thought that I might see what was on offer. The two smallest sets they had (of three), with their brand name on them, were a 22" Full HD set, with 1080p resolution, and a 24" set, HD-Ready, with 720p resolution. I thought that HD-Ready was supposed to include at least 1080i resolution ability. I think I'll go to a proper shop anyway. -- Davey. Nah - 720p is all you get in the USA. Anyway unless you plug in a BD player or similar you won't get any 1080 anything UNLESS you also have either Freeview HD or Freesat HD. ... or you could steal the hard disk player from behind the UHD TV in John Lewis and get 2160p ! (or is it 2160i ?) |
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