Dad's Army in HD
 

Dad's Army on BBC2 HD tonight is listed as being an HD originated
programme. Does anyone how it can be in HD as I thought it was shot in the
studio on SD colour cameras. It's not one of the filmed episodes. (Except
for some of the outside scenes) The picture looks noticeably sharper than
the average Dad's Army episode. Tonight's episode is entitled "Manhunt".

Dad's Army in HD
 

"Tweed" wrote in message
...
Dad's Army on BBC2 HD tonight is listed as being an HD originated
programme. Does anyone how it can be in HD as I thought it was shot in the
studio on SD colour cameras. It's not one of the filmed episodes. (Except
for some of the outside scenes) The picture looks noticeably sharper than
the average Dad's Army episode. Tonight's episode is entitled "Manhunt".

Had you not said "it's not one of the filmed episodes" (implying recovered
from a film-recorded copy made for overseas) I've have wondered whether the
film had been telecined in HD, though given that the original was made using
SD studio cameras, with a bit of spot-wobble to blur the raster on the film
copy, it would have been disingenuous to describe that as HD.

Could it simply be that the listing is wrong when it says "made in HD".

Dad's Army in HD
 

"NY" wrote:
"Tweed" wrote in message
...
Dad's Army on BBC2 HD tonight is listed as being an HD originated
programme. Does anyone how it can be in HD as I thought it was shot in the
studio on SD colour cameras. It's not one of the filmed episodes. (Except
for some of the outside scenes) The picture looks noticeably sharper than
the average Dad's Army episode. Tonight's episode is entitled "Manhunt".

Had you not said "it's not one of the filmed episodes" (implying
recovered from a film-recorded copy made for overseas) I've have wondered
whether the film had been telecined in HD, though given that the original
was made using SD studio cameras, with a bit of spot-wobble to blur the
raster on the film copy, it would have been disingenuous to describe that as HD.

Could it simply be that the listing is wrong when it says "made in HD".

Well it was the fact that it looked noticeably better than your average
Dad's Army episode that led me to check the listings.

Dad's Army in HD
 

On 11/01/2014 20:24, Tweed wrote:
Dad's Army on BBC2 HD tonight is listed as being an HD originated
programme. Does anyone how it can be in HD as I thought it was shot in the
studio on SD colour cameras. It's not one of the filmed episodes. (Except
for some of the outside scenes) The picture looks noticeably sharper than
the average Dad's Army episode. Tonight's episode is entitled "Manhunt".




the bbc mis-describe stuff as hd a lot on their hd channels.
still, it will look better than on the sd channel even if it's not HD.

--
Gareth.
That fly.... Is your magic wand.

Dad's Army in HD
 

On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 22:23:44 -0000, the dog from that film you saw
wrote:

On 11/01/2014 20:24, Tweed wrote:
Dad's Army on BBC2 HD tonight is listed as being an HD originated
programme. Does anyone how it can be in HD as I thought it was
shot in the studio on SD colour cameras. It's not one of the filmed
episodes. (Except for some of the outside scenes) The picture looks
noticeably sharper than the average Dad's Armyepisode. Tonight's
episode is entitled "Manhunt".

the bbc mis-describe stuff as hd a lot on their hd channels.
still, it will look better than on the sd channel even if it'snot HD.

I presume they push up the Bit Rate?


--
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This information is provided without warranty of any kind

Dad's Army in HD
 

"the dog from that film you saw" wrote in
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still, it will look better than on the sd channel even if it's not HD.

Why? SD has an exact 1:1 correspondence between the scan lines in the
original analogue source and the number of pixels on the vertical axis in
the digital TV signal - 576 (well, in the case of analogue, 574 full lines
and a half-line at the top and one at the bottom). HD on the other hand
doesn't have twice that resolution - most HD broadcasts at 1080i. So there
would have to be interpolation as the picture was upscaled, which (certainly
when I've done it on still photos in Paint Shop Pro or Photoshop) leads (at
worst) to a bit of softening of the picture and at best is the same but not
sharper.

Or is it because the loss factor in the lossy compression is less for HD so
you get fewer compression artefacts?

Dad's Army in HD
 

On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 23:16:20 -0000, "NY" wrote:

"the dog from that film you saw" wrote in
message
still, it will look better than on the sd channel even if it's not HD.

Why? SD has an exact 1:1 correspondence between the scan lines in the
original analogue source and the number of pixels on the vertical axis in
the digital TV signal - 576 (well, in the case of analogue, 574 full lines
and a half-line at the top and one at the bottom). HD on the other hand
doesn't have twice that resolution - most HD broadcasts at 1080i. So there
would have to be interpolation as the picture was upscaled, which (certainly
when I've done it on still photos in Paint Shop Pro or Photoshop) leads (at
worst) to a bit of softening of the picture and at best is the same but not
sharper.

Or is it because the loss factor in the lossy compression is less for HD so
you get fewer compression artefacts?

He said it would look better, he didn't specifically say the
resolution would be improved. He might have been referring to motion
artifacts.


--
Graham.


%Profound_observation%

Dad's Army in HD
 

Tweed wrote:

Well it was the fact that it looked noticeably better than your average
Dad's Army episode that led me to check the listings.

It does occur to me that with non-aligned scanning of an SD telecine, then
you would expect an HD scan to look a little better than an SD scan,
because although you obviously couldn't get better than SD resolution, the
SD-scan would end up at something like half-SD resolution.

I believe that there's a technology that can detect the position of the
lines in the telecined frames and can thus generate a somewhat better
digital transfer. I believe that this was used to create a few Doctor Who
transfers, but since the company that developed it charged extra for the
transfer service, the BBC went back to the usual blurry non-aligned
telecine scanning after that.

Dad's Army in HD
 

On 11/01/2014 23:16, NY wrote:
"the dog from that film you saw" wrote in
message
still, it will look better than on the sd channel even if it's not HD.

Why? SD has an exact 1:1 correspondence between the scan lines in the
original analogue source and the number of pixels on the vertical axis
in the digital TV signal - 576 (well, in the case of analogue, 574 full
lines and a half-line at the top and one at the bottom). HD on the other
hand doesn't have twice that resolution - most HD broadcasts at 1080i.
So there would have to be interpolation as the picture was upscaled,
which (certainly when I've done it on still photos in Paint Shop Pro or
Photoshop) leads (at worst) to a bit of softening of the picture and at
best is the same but not sharper.

Or is it because the loss factor in the lossy compression is less for HD
so you get fewer compression artefacts?



because their upscaler is better than the one in your tv - that and the
better bitrate.

--
Gareth.
That fly.... Is your magic wand.

Dad's Army in HD
 

"Tweed" wrote in message
...

Dad's Army on BBC2 HD tonight is listed as being an HD originated
programme. Does anyone how it can be in HD as I thought it was shot in the
studio on SD colour cameras. It's not one of the filmed episodes. (Except
for some of the outside scenes) The picture looks noticeably sharper than
the average Dad's Army episode. Tonight's episode is entitled "Manhunt".



*****

Seemed to have a slight green tint.

Regards
David

Dad's Army in HD
 

BBC have lost the plot. I noticed that some shows with AD had not been
flagged or indeed appearing on the AD listing on the web site, an some which
did not have AD said they had and were on the list with no AD.
My guess is that the person who is updating the site has no actual clue
about anything and just sits there doing as little editing as they can get
away with.
cynic? Moi?


Brian

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"Tweed" wrote in message
...
Dad's Army on BBC2 HD tonight is listed as being an HD originated
programme. Does anyone how it can be in HD as I thought it was shot in the
studio on SD colour cameras. It's not one of the filmed episodes. (Except
for some of the outside scenes) The picture looks noticeably sharper than
the average Dad's Army episode. Tonight's episode is entitled "Manhunt".

Dad's Army in HD
 

"David" wrote:
"Tweed" wrote in message
...

Dad's Army on BBC2 HD tonight is listed as being an HD originated
programme. Does anyone how it can be in HD as I thought it was shot in the
studio on SD colour cameras. It's not one of the filmed episodes. (Except
for some of the outside scenes) The picture looks noticeably sharper than
the average Dad's Army episode. Tonight's episode is entitled "Manhunt".



*****

Seemed to have a slight green tint.

Regards
David

Yes, my wife made that comment too. Seemed ok to me until she said that.
Did you think the picture looked sharper than normal for Dad's Army?

Dad's Army in HD
 

"Martin" wrote in message
...

On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 08:33:01 -0000, "David" wrote:



"Tweed" wrote in message
...

Dad's Army on BBC2 HD tonight is listed as being an HD originated
programme. Does anyone how it can be in HD as I thought it was shot in the
studio on SD colour cameras. It's not one of the filmed episodes. (Except
for some of the outside scenes) The picture looks noticeably sharper than
the average Dad's Army episode. Tonight's episode is entitled "Manhunt".



*****

Seemed to have a slight green tint.

Not on our Sony TV
--

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****

Other stations/programs are OK so not my TV.
Regards
David

Dad's Army in HD
 

"Martin" wrote in message
...

On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 12:48:21 -0000, "David" wrote:

Seemed to have a slight green tint.

Not on our Sony TV

Other stations/programs are OK so not my TV.

Other than this programme :-)

Your mail tool doesn't work very well does it?
--

Martin in Zuid Holland


***********

Below the *'s is my response.
Seems Microsoft stopped the feature , etc.
Regards
David

Dad's Army in HD
 

"Martin" wrote in message
...

On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 12:56:46 -0000, "David" wrote:

Below the *'s is my response.
Seems Microsoft stopped the feature , etc.

Microsoft ignores all standards. It is better to use something else such as
Thunderbird for newsgroups. There's plenty of help available here if you
want to
use Thunderbird or something similar.
--

Martin in Zuid Holland



*****

Thanks for the offer of help but I'm happy with what I'm using, it lines up
ok with other programs on this computer and other computers I have access to
and other users in the house too.
Regards
David

Nonconforming newsreaders (was Dad's Army in HD)
 

On 12/01/2014 13:22, David wrote:
Thanks for the offer of help but I'm happy with what I'm using, it lines
up ok with other programs on this computer and other computers I have
access to and other users in the house too.
Regards
David

David I entirely missed your reply until Martin's comment.

One of the standards that MS ignore is that at the end of the mail you
can have a line containing only hyphen hyphen space. Anything after this
is the signature.

Your reply has been placed entirely after Martin's signature, and a
conforming newsreader will treat it as signature - it won't be part of a
reply (unless special care is made) and it will probably be in a
different colour.

Andy

Dad's Army in HD
 

In message , Martin
writes
On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 13:22:01 -0000, "David" wrote:

Thanks for the offer of help but I'm happy with what I'm using, it lines up
ok with other programs on this computer and other computers I have access to
and other users in the house too.
R

It irritates other newsgroup users.

An increasing number of newsgroup and e-mail users seem to be using
Windows Live Mail, and this simply does not distinguish between what the
poster has said and the text from previous poster. [And I understand
that 'QuoteFix' doesn't work on later versions of WLM.] However, I'm not
sure how things manage to get posted below the signature line.
--
Ian

Dad's Army in HD
 

"Martin" wrote in message
...

On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 13:22:01 -0000, "David" wrote:

Thanks for the offer of help but I'm happy with what I'm using, it lines up
ok with other programs on this computer and other computers I have access
to
and other users in the house too.
R

It irritates other newsgroup users.
--

Martin in Zuid Holland


*************


Very sorry about that, trying to do best I can by indicating where I start
to post the reply.
Regards
David

Nonconforming newsreaders (was Dad's Army in HD)
 

On the other hand, Microsoft think they are correct, and lots of people,
including me read using their software. I think the original spec was for
dos text readers. Also of course the quote chars seem to be different for
different people so the thing never seemed to work then either, at least not
for me.
Brian

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"Vir Campestris" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 12/01/2014 13:22, David wrote:
Thanks for the offer of help but I'm happy with what I'm using, it lines
up ok with other programs on this computer and other computers I have
access to and other users in the house too.
Regards
David

David I entirely missed your reply until Martin's comment.

One of the standards that MS ignore is that at the end of the mail you can
have a line containing only hyphen hyphen space. Anything after this is
the signature.

Your reply has been placed entirely after Martin's signature, and a
conforming newsreader will treat it as signature - it won't be part of a
reply (unless special care is made) and it will probably be in a different
colour.

Andy

Dad's Army in HD
 

"Martin" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 06:43:56 -0000, "David" wrote:

It irritates other newsgroup users.
-- ---------- SIG

Martin in Zuid Holland


*************


Very sorry about that, trying to do best I can by indicating where I start
to post the reply.
Regards
David

because it doesn't remove my sig, I can't reply to you in the normal manner.
--

******

Was not a problem for me to delete your name, will try to remember to do
that in the future.
Regards
David

Dad's Army in HD
 

In message , David writes

******

Was not a problem for me to delete your name, will try to remember to do that in the future.
Regards
David

The 'signature' is not just the name. It's everything under the --
(hyphen, hyphen space CR).

When you reply to an e-mail or follow-up to a newsgroup post, anything
in the signature area gets deleted, so anyone reading the thread may
have no idea what you were responding to.

Worse still, if you're the only one doing this, and you are following-up
to a previous post, when someone then follows-up to what you have said,
they appear to be responding to the previous poster, and not to you.
--
Ian

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"Vir Campestris" wrote in message
o.uk...

On 12/01/2014 13:22, David wrote:
Thanks for the offer of help but I'm happy with what I'm using, it lines
up ok with other programs on this computer and other computers I have
access to and other users in the house too.
Regards
David

David I entirely missed your reply until Martin's comment.

One of the standards that MS ignore is that at the end of the mail you
can have a line containing only hyphen hyphen space. Anything after this
is the signature.

Your reply has been placed entirely after Martin's signature, and a
conforming newsreader will treat it as signature - it won't be part of a
reply (unless special care is made) and it will probably be in a
different colour.

*******

It is difficult to please all the people all the time.
So it might help more when the two dashes appear, they do not on yours, I
delete those too as well as the signature to help Martin.

Now Brian uses the normal procedures like when answering normal e-mail by
placing his reply first, but when I did that that was disapproved off.

Regards
David

Dad's Army in HD
 

In message , Ian Jackson
writes
In message , David writes

******

Was not a problem for me to delete your name, will try to remember to
do that in the future.
Regards
David

The 'signature' is not just the name. It's everything under the --
(hyphen, hyphen space CR).

When you reply to an e-mail or follow-up to a newsgroup post, anything
in the signature area gets deleted, so anyone reading the thread may
have no idea what you were responding to.

Worse still, if you're the only one doing this, and you are
following-up to a previous post, when someone then follows-up to what
you have said, they appear to be responding to the previous poster, and
not to you.

I omitted to say that in order for you to see what I was responding to,
I had to copy what you said, and paste it (with added quotes) before the
start of my reply. It will then appear normally. However, I should not
have had to do that. If everybody did it, it would make following-up to
newsgroup posts one hell of a chore.
--
Ian

Dad's Army in HD
 

Thanks Ian I'm getting the impression you are all seeing different things
from me also that I am maybe almost the only one that uses Windows and
Microsoft programs.
Regards
David

Nonconforming newsreaders (was Dad's Army in HD)
 

On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 11:21:04 -0000, "David" wrote:

"Vir Campestris" wrote in message
news:[email protected] co.uk...

On 12/01/2014 13:22, David wrote:
Thanks for the offer of help but I'm happy with what I'm using, it lines
up ok with other programs on this computer and other computers I have
access to and other users in the house too.
Regards
David

David I entirely missed your reply until Martin's comment.

One of the standards that MS ignore is that at the end of the mail you
can have a line containing only hyphen hyphen space. Anything after this
is the signature.

Your reply has been placed entirely after Martin's signature, and a
conforming newsreader will treat it as signature - it won't be part of a
reply (unless special care is made) and it will probably be in a
different colour.

*******

It is difficult to please all the people all the time.
So it might help more when the two dashes appear, they do not on yours, I
delete those too as well as the signature to help Martin.

You could always investigate the use of other newsreaders. Microsoft
isn't the only fish in the pond. There are plenty to choose from.

Now Brian uses the normal procedures like when answering normal e-mail by
placing his reply first, but when I did that that was disapproved off.

Brian has a special reason for preferring top-posting as it means he
can read a reply without having to scroll through loads of other stuff
unless he chooses to, but for those who can see the text, most agree
that chronological order makes everything clearer.

I've had the experience of being at the receiving end of technical
support phone calls from blind computer users, and I've heard, in the
background of our conversation, the special software they use. I think
it would drive me mental so I'm full of admiration for anybody who can
endure it all the time. As you probably know, it's possible to
navigate round Windows entirely without the mouse, as the tab key will
step round all the active features - buttons, tick boxes etc - on a
window, and the enter key can then be used to activate the one on
which you choose to settle. You've got to know where it is of course,
so close your eyes and imagine a robot voice reading a list of *every*
button or tickbox on the screen *every* time you hit the tab key or
*every* time you bring the focus to a new window. Could you remember
if the one you want is, say, the fifth or sixth one on the list you've
just heard? If there's text to be read out, it can manage recognisable
words but can give some very peculiar interpretations of proper nouns,
formatting codes or punctuation, or anything that's incorrectly spelt.

Then there are the deaf callers, which present a whole different set
of issues. They use a gadget with a keyboard and display, and make
phone calls through an intermediary who reads their text, and takes
dictation to type back to them. Correctly diagnosing even the simplest
technical fault by this method feels like a major triumph. It all
makes me realise that if life is a series of problems to be solved, I
should be glad mine are no greater than they are.

Rod.

Nonconforming newsreaders (was Dad's Army in HD)
 

In message , Roderick
Stewart writes
On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 11:21:04 -0000, "David" wrote:







It is difficult to please all the people all the time.
So it might help more when the two dashes appear, they do not on yours, I
delete those too as well as the signature to help Martin.

You could always investigate the use of other newsreaders. Microsoft
isn't the only fish in the pond. There are plenty to choose from.

When replying, Outlook Express automatically places the cursor at the
top (with no option of changing it). However, the convention in
newsgroups is to reply beneath (which means you have to manually correct
it - but at least it does do the correct quoting system (the
indents).

The later versions of Outlook Live Mail doesn't quote at all. This can
make following the flow of the discussion very tedious (and sometimes
almost impossible).

While some other news clients also place the reply cursor at the top, I
doubt if any fail to show the correct quotes (even if a few have their
own peculiar way of doing it). Some (including Thunderbird) allow you to
place the default position for the reply cursor at the bottom (and to
use 'normal' quotes). Personally, I can't imagine why, without having a
very good reason, anyone would use WLM for anything.






--
Ian

Nonconforming newsreaders (was Dad's Army in HD)
 

"Ian Jackson" wrote
in message ...
In message ,
Roderick Stewart writes
On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 11:21:04 -0000, "David"
wrote:







It is difficult to please all the people all the time.
So it might help more when the two dashes appear, they do
not on yours, I
delete those too as well as the signature to help Martin.

You could always investigate the use of other newsreaders.
Microsoft
isn't the only fish in the pond. There are plenty to
choose from.

When replying, Outlook Express automatically places the
cursor at the top (with no option of changing it).
[snip]

I'm using OE and it places the cursor at the bottom by
default - but don't ask me how I set it to do that.


--
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harrogate three at ntlworld dot com

Nonconforming newsreaders (was Dad's Army in HD)
 

In message , Woody
writes
"Ian Jackson" wrote
in message ...
In message ,
Roderick Stewart writes
On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 11:21:04 -0000, "David"
wrote:







It is difficult to please all the people all the time.
So it might help more when the two dashes appear, they do
not on yours, I
delete those too as well as the signature to help Martin.

You could always investigate the use of other newsreaders.
Microsoft
isn't the only fish in the pond. There are plenty to
choose from.

When replying, Outlook Express automatically places the
cursor at the top (with no option of changing it).
[snip]

I'm using OE and it places the cursor at the bottom by
default - but don't ask me how I set it to do that.


You're a genius!

I've just taken my OE6 out of mothballs, and subscribed to a test NG.

I sent myself a test post (using my usual Turnpike), and opened the
incoming post using OE. From what I can see, there isn't a default
position for the cursor. In fact, it doesn't actually appear on the
reply, so you have to place it manually (anywhere you want). This is
unlike when replying to e-mails, where the cursor is at the top. In
neither e-mails nor NGs can I find anything obvious where you have an
option to set where the cursor goes.
--
Ian

Nonconforming newsreaders (was Dad's Army in HD)
 

Martin wrote:

Agent doesn't have a default position either.

One of the most irritating things I know is answering a list of questions with a
mail tool that only allows top posting.

I'm using Agent 4.2, and the default cursor position seems to be
at the beginning of the first line, having added it.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Plant amazing Acers.

Nonconforming newsreaders (was Dad's Army in HD)
 

On Tue, 14 Jan 2014 16:45:06 +0000, Chris J Dixon
wrote:

I'm using Agent 4.2, and the default cursor position seems to be
at the beginning of the first line, having added it.

Yes, but you can move it down.

--
Alan White
Mozilla Firefox and Forte Agent.
By Loch Long, twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, Scotland.
Webcam and weather:- http://windycroft.co.uk/weather

Nonconforming newsreaders (was Dad's Army in HD)
 

In message , Martin
writes
On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 19:55:12 +0000, Ian Jackson
wrote:

In message , Woody
writes
"Ian Jackson" wrote
in message ...
In message ,
Roderick Stewart writes
On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 11:21:04 -0000, "David"
wrote:







It is difficult to please all the people all the time.
So it might help more when the two dashes appear, they do
not on yours, I
delete those too as well as the signature to help Martin.

You could always investigate the use of other newsreaders.
Microsoft
isn't the only fish in the pond. There are plenty to
choose from.

When replying, Outlook Express automatically places the
cursor at the top (with no option of changing it).
[snip]

I'm using OE and it places the cursor at the bottom by
default - but don't ask me how I set it to do that.


You're a genius!

I've just taken my OE6 out of mothballs, and subscribed to a test NG.

I sent myself a test post (using my usual Turnpike), and opened the
incoming post using OE. From what I can see, there isn't a default
position for the cursor. In fact, it doesn't actually appear on the
reply, so you have to place it manually (anywhere you want). This is
unlike when replying to e-mails, where the cursor is at the top. In
neither e-mails nor NGs can I find anything obvious where you have an
option to set where the cursor goes.

Agent doesn't have a default position either.

One of the most irritating things I know is answering a list of
questions with a
mail tool that only allows top posting.

If you're responding to a list of points (beneath each in turn), surely
it doesn't really matter where the default position is, as you're going
to have to place it manually?
--
Ian

Nonconforming newsreaders (was Dad's Army in HD)
 

Alan White wrote:

On Tue, 14 Jan 2014 16:45:06 +0000, Chris J Dixon
wrote:

I'm using Agent 4.2, and the default cursor position seems to be
at the beginning of the first line, having added it.

Yes, but you can move it down.

Indeed you can, which is how I'm writing here. :-)

However, you snipped what the OP Martin wrote:

Agent doesn't have a default position either.

Which I was explaining was not my experience.

In no way was I suggesting anything other than correctly bottom
posting.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Plant amazing Acers.

Nonconforming newsreaders (was Dad's Army in HD)
 

On Wed, 15 Jan 2014 09:17:10 +0000, Chris J Dixon
wrote:

In no way was I suggesting anything other than correctly bottom
posting.

I didn't think you were, I was just commenting to clarify it for others.

--
Alan White
Mozilla Firefox and Forte Agent.
By Loch Long, twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, Scotland.
Webcam and weather:- http://windycroft.co.uk/weather

Nonconforming newsreaders (was Dad's Army in HD)
 

On Wed, 15 Jan 2014 13:24:11 +0100, Martin wrote:

On Wed, 15 Jan 2014 09:17:10 +0000, Chris J Dixon wrote:

Alan White wrote:

On Tue, 14 Jan 2014 16:45:06 +0000, Chris J Dixon
wrote:

I'm using Agent 4.2, and the default cursor position seems to be
at the beginning of the first line, having added it.

That's certainly true of the free version I'm using here (I had to
locate the cursor first before moving it to this point but I know
exactly where it will be at the start of _every_ reply I make so it
wasn't too dificult.


Yes, but you can move it down.

That you can. That's the major distinction between OE and a compliant
news reader, total freedom to move the text insert cursor to anywhere
you like, including amongst the quoted text.


Indeed you can, which is how I'm writing here. :-)

However, you snipped what the OP Martin wrote:

Yes and I was wrong. The current version of Agent also positions the cursor at
the beginning of the first line. Mea culpa.

That's not the issue. I suspect it's a standard default location for
all compliant news readers. The important distinction is that the sig
lines be placed below the quoted text so that you can insert your
reply anywhere above the sig line rather than have the sig line fixed
to the bottom of the quoted text area which is treated as a non
editable block.

I guess the real problem is that the quoted text is treated as being
protected against changes in order to prevent malicious manipulation,
compounded by including the sig lines as part of this protected block
of text.



Agent doesn't have a default position either.

Apparently not true.


Which I was explaining was not my experience.

In no way was I suggesting anything other than correctly bottom
posting.

With compliant news readers, you have the freedom to do both and, not
only that, interleave your replying text amongst the quoted text as I
have done here.

Since that is the case, the initial cursor position is otherwise
undefined and can be set to an arbitary default location. It seems
most news reader developers have taken the sensible decision to place
it at the very beginning of the reply page regardless of whether or
not you'd elected to include quoted text.

A fixed location at the top left of the reply pane means you can
locate it immediately in order to move it to wherever you wish to
insert your own comments or reply allowing you the choice of top,
bottom or interleaved posting.
--
Regards, J B Good

Nonconforming newsreaders (was Dad's Army in HD)
 

In message , Johny B Good
writes



A fixed location at the top left of the reply pane means you can
locate it immediately in order to move it to wherever you wish to
insert your own comments or reply allowing you the choice of top,
bottom or interleaved posting.

The main advantage of having a default top left location is that you
know it's always wrong for NGs - so you'll have to move it!
--
Ian