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In message , David writes

******

Was not a problem for me to delete your name, will try to remember to do that in the future.
Regards
David

The 'signature' is not just the name. It's everything under the --
(hyphen, hyphen space CR).

When you reply to an e-mail or follow-up to a newsgroup post, anything
in the signature area gets deleted, so anyone reading the thread may
have no idea what you were responding to.

Worse still, if you're the only one doing this, and you are following-up
to a previous post, when someone then follows-up to what you have said,
they appear to be responding to the previous poster, and not to you.
--
Ian

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"Vir Campestris" wrote in message
o.uk...

On 12/01/2014 13:22, David wrote:
Thanks for the offer of help but I'm happy with what I'm using, it lines
up ok with other programs on this computer and other computers I have
access to and other users in the house too.
Regards
David

David I entirely missed your reply until Martin's comment.

One of the standards that MS ignore is that at the end of the mail you
can have a line containing only hyphen hyphen space. Anything after this
is the signature.

Your reply has been placed entirely after Martin's signature, and a
conforming newsreader will treat it as signature - it won't be part of a
reply (unless special care is made) and it will probably be in a
different colour.

*******

It is difficult to please all the people all the time.
So it might help more when the two dashes appear, they do not on yours, I
delete those too as well as the signature to help Martin.

Now Brian uses the normal procedures like when answering normal e-mail by
placing his reply first, but when I did that that was disapproved off.

Regards
David

Dad's Army in HD
 

In message , Ian Jackson
writes
In message , David writes

******

Was not a problem for me to delete your name, will try to remember to
do that in the future.
Regards
David

The 'signature' is not just the name. It's everything under the --
(hyphen, hyphen space CR).

When you reply to an e-mail or follow-up to a newsgroup post, anything
in the signature area gets deleted, so anyone reading the thread may
have no idea what you were responding to.

Worse still, if you're the only one doing this, and you are
following-up to a previous post, when someone then follows-up to what
you have said, they appear to be responding to the previous poster, and
not to you.

I omitted to say that in order for you to see what I was responding to,
I had to copy what you said, and paste it (with added quotes) before the
start of my reply. It will then appear normally. However, I should not
have had to do that. If everybody did it, it would make following-up to
newsgroup posts one hell of a chore.
--
Ian

Dad's Army in HD
 

Thanks Ian I'm getting the impression you are all seeing different things
from me also that I am maybe almost the only one that uses Windows and
Microsoft programs.
Regards
David

Nonconforming newsreaders (was Dad's Army in HD)
 

On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 11:21:04 -0000, "David" wrote:

"Vir Campestris" wrote in message
news:[email protected] co.uk...

On 12/01/2014 13:22, David wrote:
Thanks for the offer of help but I'm happy with what I'm using, it lines
up ok with other programs on this computer and other computers I have
access to and other users in the house too.
Regards
David

David I entirely missed your reply until Martin's comment.

One of the standards that MS ignore is that at the end of the mail you
can have a line containing only hyphen hyphen space. Anything after this
is the signature.

Your reply has been placed entirely after Martin's signature, and a
conforming newsreader will treat it as signature - it won't be part of a
reply (unless special care is made) and it will probably be in a
different colour.

*******

It is difficult to please all the people all the time.
So it might help more when the two dashes appear, they do not on yours, I
delete those too as well as the signature to help Martin.

You could always investigate the use of other newsreaders. Microsoft
isn't the only fish in the pond. There are plenty to choose from.

Now Brian uses the normal procedures like when answering normal e-mail by
placing his reply first, but when I did that that was disapproved off.

Brian has a special reason for preferring top-posting as it means he
can read a reply without having to scroll through loads of other stuff
unless he chooses to, but for those who can see the text, most agree
that chronological order makes everything clearer.

I've had the experience of being at the receiving end of technical
support phone calls from blind computer users, and I've heard, in the
background of our conversation, the special software they use. I think
it would drive me mental so I'm full of admiration for anybody who can
endure it all the time. As you probably know, it's possible to
navigate round Windows entirely without the mouse, as the tab key will
step round all the active features - buttons, tick boxes etc - on a
window, and the enter key can then be used to activate the one on
which you choose to settle. You've got to know where it is of course,
so close your eyes and imagine a robot voice reading a list of *every*
button or tickbox on the screen *every* time you hit the tab key or
*every* time you bring the focus to a new window. Could you remember
if the one you want is, say, the fifth or sixth one on the list you've
just heard? If there's text to be read out, it can manage recognisable
words but can give some very peculiar interpretations of proper nouns,
formatting codes or punctuation, or anything that's incorrectly spelt.

Then there are the deaf callers, which present a whole different set
of issues. They use a gadget with a keyboard and display, and make
phone calls through an intermediary who reads their text, and takes
dictation to type back to them. Correctly diagnosing even the simplest
technical fault by this method feels like a major triumph. It all
makes me realise that if life is a series of problems to be solved, I
should be glad mine are no greater than they are.

Rod.

Nonconforming newsreaders (was Dad's Army in HD)
 

In message , Roderick
Stewart writes
On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 11:21:04 -0000, "David" wrote:







It is difficult to please all the people all the time.
So it might help more when the two dashes appear, they do not on yours, I
delete those too as well as the signature to help Martin.

You could always investigate the use of other newsreaders. Microsoft
isn't the only fish in the pond. There are plenty to choose from.

When replying, Outlook Express automatically places the cursor at the
top (with no option of changing it). However, the convention in
newsgroups is to reply beneath (which means you have to manually correct
it - but at least it does do the correct quoting system (the
indents).

The later versions of Outlook Live Mail doesn't quote at all. This can
make following the flow of the discussion very tedious (and sometimes
almost impossible).

While some other news clients also place the reply cursor at the top, I
doubt if any fail to show the correct quotes (even if a few have their
own peculiar way of doing it). Some (including Thunderbird) allow you to
place the default position for the reply cursor at the bottom (and to
use 'normal' quotes). Personally, I can't imagine why, without having a
very good reason, anyone would use WLM for anything.






--
Ian

Nonconforming newsreaders (was Dad's Army in HD)
 

"Ian Jackson" wrote
in message ...
In message ,
Roderick Stewart writes
On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 11:21:04 -0000, "David"
wrote:







It is difficult to please all the people all the time.
So it might help more when the two dashes appear, they do
not on yours, I
delete those too as well as the signature to help Martin.

You could always investigate the use of other newsreaders.
Microsoft
isn't the only fish in the pond. There are plenty to
choose from.

When replying, Outlook Express automatically places the
cursor at the top (with no option of changing it).
[snip]

I'm using OE and it places the cursor at the bottom by
default - but don't ask me how I set it to do that.


--
Woody

harrogate three at ntlworld dot com

Nonconforming newsreaders (was Dad's Army in HD)
 

In message , Woody
writes
"Ian Jackson" wrote
in message ...
In message ,
Roderick Stewart writes
On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 11:21:04 -0000, "David"
wrote:







It is difficult to please all the people all the time.
So it might help more when the two dashes appear, they do
not on yours, I
delete those too as well as the signature to help Martin.

You could always investigate the use of other newsreaders.
Microsoft
isn't the only fish in the pond. There are plenty to
choose from.

When replying, Outlook Express automatically places the
cursor at the top (with no option of changing it).
[snip]

I'm using OE and it places the cursor at the bottom by
default - but don't ask me how I set it to do that.


You're a genius!

I've just taken my OE6 out of mothballs, and subscribed to a test NG.

I sent myself a test post (using my usual Turnpike), and opened the
incoming post using OE. From what I can see, there isn't a default
position for the cursor. In fact, it doesn't actually appear on the
reply, so you have to place it manually (anywhere you want). This is
unlike when replying to e-mails, where the cursor is at the top. In
neither e-mails nor NGs can I find anything obvious where you have an
option to set where the cursor goes.
--
Ian

Nonconforming newsreaders (was Dad's Army in HD)
 

Martin wrote:

Agent doesn't have a default position either.

One of the most irritating things I know is answering a list of questions with a
mail tool that only allows top posting.

I'm using Agent 4.2, and the default cursor position seems to be
at the beginning of the first line, having added it.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Plant amazing Acers.

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On Tue, 14 Jan 2014 16:45:06 +0000, Chris J Dixon
wrote:

I'm using Agent 4.2, and the default cursor position seems to be
at the beginning of the first line, having added it.

Yes, but you can move it down.

--
Alan White
Mozilla Firefox and Forte Agent.
By Loch Long, twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, Scotland.
Webcam and weather:- http://windycroft.co.uk/weather