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Bootstrap Bill August 15th 04 09:24 AM

2006 end of NTSC broadcasts?
 
I remember reading something years ago about 2006 being the last year for
NTSC broadcasts in the US, and that if you wanted to continue to be able to
use your old NTSC past 2006 sets you would have to buy a converter.

Is this still true? Has that year been pushed back?




D. Stussy August 16th 04 01:04 PM

On Sun, 15 Aug 2004, Bootstrap Bill wrote:
I remember reading something years ago about 2006 being the last year for
NTSC broadcasts in the US, and that if you wanted to continue to be able to
use your old NTSC past 2006 sets you would have to buy a converter.

Is this still true? Has that year been pushed back?


Scheduled: Yes - 12/31/2006. Congress has NOT changed the deadline date.

Will it happen: Don't know.

There is also another condition: 85% market saturation of DTV capable
households. Whether or not this will count CABLE TV (as the cable headends
will have converted) I don't know (but think that it should). Not meeting the
85% threshold will automatically push back the date on a per-market basis.

D. Stussy August 16th 04 01:04 PM

On Sun, 15 Aug 2004, Bootstrap Bill wrote:
I remember reading something years ago about 2006 being the last year for
NTSC broadcasts in the US, and that if you wanted to continue to be able to
use your old NTSC past 2006 sets you would have to buy a converter.

Is this still true? Has that year been pushed back?


Scheduled: Yes - 12/31/2006. Congress has NOT changed the deadline date.

Will it happen: Don't know.

There is also another condition: 85% market saturation of DTV capable
households. Whether or not this will count CABLE TV (as the cable headends
will have converted) I don't know (but think that it should). Not meeting the
85% threshold will automatically push back the date on a per-market basis.

MikeD-C05 August 16th 04 04:47 PM


Well congress mandated we would all be on the metric system by the
1980's. You see that went no where. I don't see the analog being
turned off until somewhere in the next decade. They should stop making
ALL analog tvs NOW and then the transition would go faster. They also
need cheap digital to analog converter boxes to help out the people
who still have analog tvs. This would help make the transition easier.


--
MikeD-C05

MikeD-C05 August 16th 04 04:47 PM


Well congress mandated we would all be on the metric system by the
1980's. You see that went no where. I don't see the analog being
turned off until somewhere in the next decade. They should stop making
ALL analog tvs NOW and then the transition would go faster. They also
need cheap digital to analog converter boxes to help out the people
who still have analog tvs. This would help make the transition easier.


--
MikeD-C05

Jsheldon August 16th 04 08:20 PM



MikeD-C05 wrote:
Well congress mandated we would all be on the metric system by the
1980's. You see that went no where. ...


Try to buy a fifth of whiskey. ;-) (Or a quart, for that matter.) :-(


Jsheldon August 16th 04 08:20 PM



MikeD-C05 wrote:
Well congress mandated we would all be on the metric system by the
1980's. You see that went no where. ...


Try to buy a fifth of whiskey. ;-) (Or a quart, for that matter.) :-(


MikeD-C05 August 17th 04 12:01 AM


My point is that we are not using the metric system officially for
measurements or miles on the road etc. The government said they were
going to make the U. S. use the metric system by the 1980's and we
haven't ever switched to it for our official system. The same will
hold true for the analog channels going to all digital by 2006. The
government doesn't want to hear people bitchin all over the country
when they switch off the analog channels. This is why I say they won't
be switching off the analog channels till the next decade . By then the
majority of tvs in use will be digital and the older tvs will be going
out one by one. Then it will be easy to switch with only a few
converter boxes needed for a few old timers who still have analog tvs.


--
MikeD-C05

MikeD-C05 August 17th 04 12:01 AM


My point is that we are not using the metric system officially for
measurements or miles on the road etc. The government said they were
going to make the U. S. use the metric system by the 1980's and we
haven't ever switched to it for our official system. The same will
hold true for the analog channels going to all digital by 2006. The
government doesn't want to hear people bitchin all over the country
when they switch off the analog channels. This is why I say they won't
be switching off the analog channels till the next decade . By then the
majority of tvs in use will be digital and the older tvs will be going
out one by one. Then it will be easy to switch with only a few
converter boxes needed for a few old timers who still have analog tvs.


--
MikeD-C05

Randy Sweeney August 17th 04 01:01 AM


"MikeD-C05" wrote in message
...

Well congress mandated we would all be on the metric system by the
1980's. You see that went no where. I don't see the analog being
turned off until somewhere in the next decade. They should stop making
ALL analog tvs NOW and then the transition would go faster. They also
need cheap digital to analog converter boxes to help out the people
who still have analog tvs. This would help make the transition easier.



Why is no one mentioning part 2 of the congressional mandate?

That 85% of the TV's in use be capable of receiving the new digital
broadcasts before the analog licenses would be cancelled.

THIS is the limiting factor, not the date.

The question here is whether Powell and the FCC will rule that cable and
satellite system connected TV's count in the total - if they do, then 2006
is a possibility, if not, it will be quite a while.



Randy Sweeney August 17th 04 01:01 AM


"MikeD-C05" wrote in message
...

Well congress mandated we would all be on the metric system by the
1980's. You see that went no where. I don't see the analog being
turned off until somewhere in the next decade. They should stop making
ALL analog tvs NOW and then the transition would go faster. They also
need cheap digital to analog converter boxes to help out the people
who still have analog tvs. This would help make the transition easier.



Why is no one mentioning part 2 of the congressional mandate?

That 85% of the TV's in use be capable of receiving the new digital
broadcasts before the analog licenses would be cancelled.

THIS is the limiting factor, not the date.

The question here is whether Powell and the FCC will rule that cable and
satellite system connected TV's count in the total - if they do, then 2006
is a possibility, if not, it will be quite a while.



hunkahunkaburninluv August 17th 04 01:27 AM


"MikeD-C05" wrote in message
...

Well congress mandated we would all be on the metric system by the
1980's. You see that went no where. I don't see the analog being
turned off until somewhere in the next decade. They should stop making
ALL analog tvs NOW and then the transition would go faster. They also
need cheap digital to analog converter boxes to help out the people
who still have analog tvs. This would help make the transition easier.

HDTV's are still too expensive to totally replace analog TV's. Wait until
they can sell a 30" HDTV for less than $300. I was looking at one recently.
$800 is a bit more than I can afford right now. If my 27" analog set died
today and I couldn't buy a new analog set, I'd probably have to go without a
TV for a couple years.

I recently bought a brand new 19" SVGA monitor for less than $200. The
resolution is higher than HDTV. How much would it cost for the monitor
industry to add the necessary inputs so that I could use an SVGA monitor as
an HDTV monitor? I'm guessing less than $10 would be added to the cost of of
new monitors.




hunkahunkaburninluv August 17th 04 01:27 AM


"MikeD-C05" wrote in message
...

Well congress mandated we would all be on the metric system by the
1980's. You see that went no where. I don't see the analog being
turned off until somewhere in the next decade. They should stop making
ALL analog tvs NOW and then the transition would go faster. They also
need cheap digital to analog converter boxes to help out the people
who still have analog tvs. This would help make the transition easier.

HDTV's are still too expensive to totally replace analog TV's. Wait until
they can sell a 30" HDTV for less than $300. I was looking at one recently.
$800 is a bit more than I can afford right now. If my 27" analog set died
today and I couldn't buy a new analog set, I'd probably have to go without a
TV for a couple years.

I recently bought a brand new 19" SVGA monitor for less than $200. The
resolution is higher than HDTV. How much would it cost for the monitor
industry to add the necessary inputs so that I could use an SVGA monitor as
an HDTV monitor? I'm guessing less than $10 would be added to the cost of of
new monitors.




Pepper August 17th 04 01:40 AM


hunkahunkaburninluv Wrote:

I recently bought a brand new 19" SVGA monitor for less than $200. The
resolution is higher than HDTV. How much would it cost for the monitor
industry to add the necessary inputs so that I could use an SVGA
monitor as
an HDTV monitor? I'm guessing less than $10 would be added to the cost
of of
new monitors.


There are plenty of ATSC tuner boxes with VGA outputs. But, they are
still expensive, thus why I don't have one.


--
Pepper

Pepper August 17th 04 01:40 AM


hunkahunkaburninluv Wrote:

I recently bought a brand new 19" SVGA monitor for less than $200. The
resolution is higher than HDTV. How much would it cost for the monitor
industry to add the necessary inputs so that I could use an SVGA
monitor as
an HDTV monitor? I'm guessing less than $10 would be added to the cost
of of
new monitors.


There are plenty of ATSC tuner boxes with VGA outputs. But, they are
still expensive, thus why I don't have one.


--
Pepper

[email protected] August 17th 04 01:43 AM

"hunkahunkaburninluv" wrote:
"MikeD-C05" wrote in message
...

Well congress mandated we would all be on the metric system by the
1980's. You see that went no where. I don't see the analog being
turned off until somewhere in the next decade. They should stop making
ALL analog tvs NOW and then the transition would go faster. They also
need cheap digital to analog converter boxes to help out the people
who still have analog tvs. This would help make the transition easier.

HDTV's are still too expensive to totally replace analog TV's. Wait until
they can sell a 30" HDTV for less than $300. I was looking at one
recently. $800 is a bit more than I can afford right now. If my 27"
analog set died today and I couldn't buy a new analog set, I'd probably
have to go without a TV for a couple years.

I recently bought a brand new 19" SVGA monitor for less than $200. The
resolution is higher than HDTV. How much would it cost for the monitor
industry to add the necessary inputs so that I could use an SVGA monitor
as an HDTV monitor? I'm guessing less than $10 would be added to the cost
of of new monitors.


The televisions have to receive digital signals, not necessarily HD.
Chip

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[email protected] August 17th 04 01:43 AM

"hunkahunkaburninluv" wrote:
"MikeD-C05" wrote in message
...

Well congress mandated we would all be on the metric system by the
1980's. You see that went no where. I don't see the analog being
turned off until somewhere in the next decade. They should stop making
ALL analog tvs NOW and then the transition would go faster. They also
need cheap digital to analog converter boxes to help out the people
who still have analog tvs. This would help make the transition easier.

HDTV's are still too expensive to totally replace analog TV's. Wait until
they can sell a 30" HDTV for less than $300. I was looking at one
recently. $800 is a bit more than I can afford right now. If my 27"
analog set died today and I couldn't buy a new analog set, I'd probably
have to go without a TV for a couple years.

I recently bought a brand new 19" SVGA monitor for less than $200. The
resolution is higher than HDTV. How much would it cost for the monitor
industry to add the necessary inputs so that I could use an SVGA monitor
as an HDTV monitor? I'm guessing less than $10 would be added to the cost
of of new monitors.


The televisions have to receive digital signals, not necessarily HD.
Chip

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hunkahunkaburninluv August 17th 04 01:54 AM


wrote in message
...
"hunkahunkaburninluv" wrote:
"MikeD-C05" wrote in message
...

Well congress mandated we would all be on the metric system by the
1980's. You see that went no where. I don't see the analog being
turned off until somewhere in the next decade. They should stop

making
ALL analog tvs NOW and then the transition would go faster. They also
need cheap digital to analog converter boxes to help out the people
who still have analog tvs. This would help make the transition

easier.

HDTV's are still too expensive to totally replace analog TV's. Wait

until
they can sell a 30" HDTV for less than $300. I was looking at one
recently. $800 is a bit more than I can afford right now. If my 27"
analog set died today and I couldn't buy a new analog set, I'd probably
have to go without a TV for a couple years.

I recently bought a brand new 19" SVGA monitor for less than $200. The
resolution is higher than HDTV. How much would it cost for the monitor
industry to add the necessary inputs so that I could use an SVGA monitor
as an HDTV monitor? I'm guessing less than $10 would be added to the

cost
of of new monitors.


The televisions have to receive digital signals, not necessarily HD.
Chip


How much would this add to the cost of a TV? I'd say do it if you can for
less than $50. If not, wait.






hunkahunkaburninluv August 17th 04 01:54 AM


wrote in message
...
"hunkahunkaburninluv" wrote:
"MikeD-C05" wrote in message
...

Well congress mandated we would all be on the metric system by the
1980's. You see that went no where. I don't see the analog being
turned off until somewhere in the next decade. They should stop

making
ALL analog tvs NOW and then the transition would go faster. They also
need cheap digital to analog converter boxes to help out the people
who still have analog tvs. This would help make the transition

easier.

HDTV's are still too expensive to totally replace analog TV's. Wait

until
they can sell a 30" HDTV for less than $300. I was looking at one
recently. $800 is a bit more than I can afford right now. If my 27"
analog set died today and I couldn't buy a new analog set, I'd probably
have to go without a TV for a couple years.

I recently bought a brand new 19" SVGA monitor for less than $200. The
resolution is higher than HDTV. How much would it cost for the monitor
industry to add the necessary inputs so that I could use an SVGA monitor
as an HDTV monitor? I'm guessing less than $10 would be added to the

cost
of of new monitors.


The televisions have to receive digital signals, not necessarily HD.
Chip


How much would this add to the cost of a TV? I'd say do it if you can for
less than $50. If not, wait.






Jsheldon August 17th 04 02:44 AM



Randy Sweeney wrote:


The question here is whether Powell and the FCC will rule that cable and
satellite system connected TV's count in the total - if they do, then 2006
is a possibility, if not, it will be quite a while.


Randy,

Precisely! And as you apparently know, this change is under
consideration. What I have seen suggested is that with this change in
counting sets able to view a digital signal by either cable or sat it
still likely would move the date of compliance out about two years.

Jerry


Jsheldon August 17th 04 02:44 AM



Randy Sweeney wrote:


The question here is whether Powell and the FCC will rule that cable and
satellite system connected TV's count in the total - if they do, then 2006
is a possibility, if not, it will be quite a while.


Randy,

Precisely! And as you apparently know, this change is under
consideration. What I have seen suggested is that with this change in
counting sets able to view a digital signal by either cable or sat it
still likely would move the date of compliance out about two years.

Jerry


Del Mibbler August 17th 04 05:12 AM

"hunkahunkaburninluv" wrote (in part):

I recently bought a brand new 19" SVGA monitor for less than $200. The
resolution is higher than HDTV. How much would it cost for the monitor
industry to add the necessary inputs so that I could use an SVGA monitor as
an HDTV monitor? I'm guessing less than $10 would be added to the cost of of
new monitors.


Better yet, more HD tuners should have VGA connectors. Mine does, and
it works fine with my rather ancient Compaq V500 monitor. Not that I
use it that way much, but it's nice to know I could.

Del Mibbler

Del Mibbler August 17th 04 05:12 AM

"hunkahunkaburninluv" wrote (in part):

I recently bought a brand new 19" SVGA monitor for less than $200. The
resolution is higher than HDTV. How much would it cost for the monitor
industry to add the necessary inputs so that I could use an SVGA monitor as
an HDTV monitor? I'm guessing less than $10 would be added to the cost of of
new monitors.


Better yet, more HD tuners should have VGA connectors. Mine does, and
it works fine with my rather ancient Compaq V500 monitor. Not that I
use it that way much, but it's nice to know I could.

Del Mibbler

General Schvantzkoph August 17th 04 05:19 AM

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:44:35 -0400, Jsheldon wrote:



Randy Sweeney wrote:


The question here is whether Powell and the FCC will rule that cable and
satellite system connected TV's count in the total - if they do, then 2006
is a possibility, if not, it will be quite a while.


Randy,

Precisely! And as you apparently know, this change is under
consideration. What I have seen suggested is that with this change in
counting sets able to view a digital signal by either cable or sat it
still likely would move the date of compliance out about two years.

Jerry


Could you imagine any President allowing the FCC to shut down analog
broadcasting in 2006? The president's party would go the way of the Whigs
and the Federalists at the next election. The likely scenario is that they
ban the sale of analog TVs in 2006 and then wait another 10 or 15 years
before they shut off analog broadcasts. You can buy a decent computer for
$300 now so it's certainly possible to build a digital TV for the same
price which makes the banning of analog receivers doable. In 15
years most of the current stock of TVs will have been replaced with
digital TVs so it will be possible for President Jenna Bush to allow the
FCC to finally shut down analog broadcasting. By then we'll all be
installing holosuites anyway.

General Schvantzkoph August 17th 04 05:19 AM

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:44:35 -0400, Jsheldon wrote:



Randy Sweeney wrote:


The question here is whether Powell and the FCC will rule that cable and
satellite system connected TV's count in the total - if they do, then 2006
is a possibility, if not, it will be quite a while.


Randy,

Precisely! And as you apparently know, this change is under
consideration. What I have seen suggested is that with this change in
counting sets able to view a digital signal by either cable or sat it
still likely would move the date of compliance out about two years.

Jerry


Could you imagine any President allowing the FCC to shut down analog
broadcasting in 2006? The president's party would go the way of the Whigs
and the Federalists at the next election. The likely scenario is that they
ban the sale of analog TVs in 2006 and then wait another 10 or 15 years
before they shut off analog broadcasts. You can buy a decent computer for
$300 now so it's certainly possible to build a digital TV for the same
price which makes the banning of analog receivers doable. In 15
years most of the current stock of TVs will have been replaced with
digital TVs so it will be possible for President Jenna Bush to allow the
FCC to finally shut down analog broadcasting. By then we'll all be
installing holosuites anyway.

HDTV-slingr August 17th 04 08:39 AM

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:47:54 -0400, MikeD-C05
wrote:

Well congress mandated we would all be on the metric system by the
1980's. You see that went no where.


That's what I'm screamin.

I don't see the analog being
turned off until somewhere in the next decade. They should stop making
ALL analog tvs NOW and then the transition would go faster. They also
need cheap digital to analog converter boxes to help out the people
who still have analog tvs.


I'm thinking the advertisers will have a profound effect on this
switchover from analog to digital. My prediction is the providers
will be fighting for new customers by offering boxes for free to those
willing to sign term contracts, much like they do now with their HD
boxes. The providers have little choice... it is they who will bear
the cost of the converter boxes in the beginning, then we who will pay
for it in our monthly fees in the end. Those of us with analog TV's
will just have to switch to new providers to get the converter boxes
for "free - for x-amount of months term committment" and those of us
with fully-integrated tv's with the card slot will call the remaining
shots..... all just my own personal opinion.


HDTV-slingr August 17th 04 08:39 AM

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:47:54 -0400, MikeD-C05
wrote:

Well congress mandated we would all be on the metric system by the
1980's. You see that went no where.


That's what I'm screamin.

I don't see the analog being
turned off until somewhere in the next decade. They should stop making
ALL analog tvs NOW and then the transition would go faster. They also
need cheap digital to analog converter boxes to help out the people
who still have analog tvs.


I'm thinking the advertisers will have a profound effect on this
switchover from analog to digital. My prediction is the providers
will be fighting for new customers by offering boxes for free to those
willing to sign term contracts, much like they do now with their HD
boxes. The providers have little choice... it is they who will bear
the cost of the converter boxes in the beginning, then we who will pay
for it in our monthly fees in the end. Those of us with analog TV's
will just have to switch to new providers to get the converter boxes
for "free - for x-amount of months term committment" and those of us
with fully-integrated tv's with the card slot will call the remaining
shots..... all just my own personal opinion.


Matthew Vaughan August 17th 04 08:33 PM

wrote in message
...
"hunkahunkaburninluv" wrote:

The televisions have to receive digital signals, not necessarily HD.


The tuners do have to be able to receive HD signals (since nearly all OTA
digital signals ARE HD), though the set doesn't necessarily need to display
the resulting picture in HD.



Matthew Vaughan August 17th 04 08:33 PM

wrote in message
...
"hunkahunkaburninluv" wrote:

The televisions have to receive digital signals, not necessarily HD.


The tuners do have to be able to receive HD signals (since nearly all OTA
digital signals ARE HD), though the set doesn't necessarily need to display
the resulting picture in HD.



Matthew Vaughan August 17th 04 08:33 PM

wrote in message
...
"hunkahunkaburninluv" wrote:

The televisions have to receive digital signals, not necessarily HD.


The tuners do have to be able to receive HD signals (since nearly all OTA
digital signals ARE HD), though the set doesn't necessarily need to display
the resulting picture in HD.



Matthew Vaughan August 17th 04 08:33 PM

wrote in message
...
"hunkahunkaburninluv" wrote:

The televisions have to receive digital signals, not necessarily HD.


The tuners do have to be able to receive HD signals (since nearly all OTA
digital signals ARE HD), though the set doesn't necessarily need to display
the resulting picture in HD.



Glenn August 17th 04 10:46 PM

If I understand this correctly, when a local broadcast station sends its
signal out over the air in digital (ATSC) format, then by definition 85% of
the viewing area can receive the digital signal. Therefore, the analog
(ATSC) signal can (and will) be discontinued. The FCC is not waiting until
85% of the viewers convert to digital boxes or HD TVs, they are waiting till
the stations convert to digital broadcasting. You do not have to have an HD
TV, rather any TV with a digital converter box will work.

Even with no HD TV, you will enjoy a much clearer picture with the digital
signal rather than analog.

Do I have this wrong?

"Matthew Vaughan" wrote in message
...
wrote in message
...
"hunkahunkaburninluv" wrote:

The televisions have to receive digital signals, not necessarily HD.


The tuners do have to be able to receive HD signals (since nearly all OTA
digital signals ARE HD), though the set doesn't necessarily need to
display
the resulting picture in HD.





Glenn August 17th 04 10:46 PM

If I understand this correctly, when a local broadcast station sends its
signal out over the air in digital (ATSC) format, then by definition 85% of
the viewing area can receive the digital signal. Therefore, the analog
(ATSC) signal can (and will) be discontinued. The FCC is not waiting until
85% of the viewers convert to digital boxes or HD TVs, they are waiting till
the stations convert to digital broadcasting. You do not have to have an HD
TV, rather any TV with a digital converter box will work.

Even with no HD TV, you will enjoy a much clearer picture with the digital
signal rather than analog.

Do I have this wrong?

"Matthew Vaughan" wrote in message
...
wrote in message
...
"hunkahunkaburninluv" wrote:

The televisions have to receive digital signals, not necessarily HD.


The tuners do have to be able to receive HD signals (since nearly all OTA
digital signals ARE HD), though the set doesn't necessarily need to
display
the resulting picture in HD.





Mark Jones August 18th 04 04:02 AM

"Glenn" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
If I understand this correctly, when a local broadcast station sends its
signal out over the air in digital (ATSC) format, then by definition 85%

of
the viewing area can receive the digital signal. Therefore, the analog
(ATSC) signal can (and will) be discontinued. The FCC is not waiting

until
85% of the viewers convert to digital boxes or HD TVs, they are waiting

till
the stations convert to digital broadcasting. You do not have to have an

HD
TV, rather any TV with a digital converter box will work.

Even with no HD TV, you will enjoy a much clearer picture with the digital
signal rather than analog.

Do I have this wrong?

The main problem that I see with HD is the limited broadcast
range compared to analog. I live in the Kansas City area and
some of the stations are not able to reach all of the way to the
edge of the metro area. That excludes people in outlying areas
that currently have no problem receiving the analog signal
with an outside antenna.

What is the FCC's position on the fact that the broadcast range
of so many stations will be drastically reduced? HD won't be
clearer if you can't receive it but you can receive the analog
signal.



Mark Jones August 18th 04 04:02 AM

"Glenn" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
If I understand this correctly, when a local broadcast station sends its
signal out over the air in digital (ATSC) format, then by definition 85%

of
the viewing area can receive the digital signal. Therefore, the analog
(ATSC) signal can (and will) be discontinued. The FCC is not waiting

until
85% of the viewers convert to digital boxes or HD TVs, they are waiting

till
the stations convert to digital broadcasting. You do not have to have an

HD
TV, rather any TV with a digital converter box will work.

Even with no HD TV, you will enjoy a much clearer picture with the digital
signal rather than analog.

Do I have this wrong?

The main problem that I see with HD is the limited broadcast
range compared to analog. I live in the Kansas City area and
some of the stations are not able to reach all of the way to the
edge of the metro area. That excludes people in outlying areas
that currently have no problem receiving the analog signal
with an outside antenna.

What is the FCC's position on the fact that the broadcast range
of so many stations will be drastically reduced? HD won't be
clearer if you can't receive it but you can receive the analog
signal.



Bruce Tomlin August 18th 04 05:44 AM

In article . net,
"Mark Jones" wrote:

The main problem that I see with HD is the limited broadcast
range compared to analog. I live in the Kansas City area and
some of the stations are not able to reach all of the way to the
edge of the metro area. That excludes people in outlying areas
that currently have no problem receiving the analog signal
with an outside antenna.


That would probably have something to do with most stations (everywhere
in the US) not yet broadcasting at full power. Many are apparently
broadcasting on temporary licenses allowing them to operate at 5%-25% of
their maximum licensed power. This is as an exemption to a full power
license that they already have.

The Fox station here in Austin is broadcasting at 800 watts. That's 800
watts as in eight light bulbs, compared to full ATSC UHF transmitter
power of up to one MILLION watts. (Analog NTSC apparently goes to 5
million watts.) I'm less than 15 miles away, and I can barely get the
tiniest blip out of it with an outside antenna aimed in exactly the
right direction.

I don't have any problem with CBS and ABC here broadcasting at 35.4KW
and 62.5KW instead of 1000KW, though the antenna does have to be pointed
in the right direction.

By the end of 2006, this should not be a problem. But that's still over
two years away.


Here's what the KC MO area looks like:

actual / maximum
4 WDAF FOX - 34 1.1KW / 1000KW
5 KCTV CBS - 24 225KW / 820KW
6 KMOS PBS - 15 322KW
9 KMBC ABC - 7 85KW
19 KCPT PBS - 18 48KW / 55KW
29 KCWE UPN - 31 525KW / 1000KW
41 KSHB NBC - 42 450KW
50 KPXE PAX - 51 1000KW
62 KSMO WB - 47 9KW / 1000KW

I'm sure you'll find a correlation between actual transmitter strength
and reception suckage. It doesn't look too bad, except for WB and FOX.
Note that KMBC shouldn't suck, because VHF digital stations only need
roughtly a tenth the power of UHF stations. 40KW will provide a very
nice signal on channel 13.


Here's the URL which brings up the license info. Replace Kxxx with the
station ID.

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?call=Kxxx

Bruce Tomlin August 18th 04 05:44 AM

In article . net,
"Mark Jones" wrote:

The main problem that I see with HD is the limited broadcast
range compared to analog. I live in the Kansas City area and
some of the stations are not able to reach all of the way to the
edge of the metro area. That excludes people in outlying areas
that currently have no problem receiving the analog signal
with an outside antenna.


That would probably have something to do with most stations (everywhere
in the US) not yet broadcasting at full power. Many are apparently
broadcasting on temporary licenses allowing them to operate at 5%-25% of
their maximum licensed power. This is as an exemption to a full power
license that they already have.

The Fox station here in Austin is broadcasting at 800 watts. That's 800
watts as in eight light bulbs, compared to full ATSC UHF transmitter
power of up to one MILLION watts. (Analog NTSC apparently goes to 5
million watts.) I'm less than 15 miles away, and I can barely get the
tiniest blip out of it with an outside antenna aimed in exactly the
right direction.

I don't have any problem with CBS and ABC here broadcasting at 35.4KW
and 62.5KW instead of 1000KW, though the antenna does have to be pointed
in the right direction.

By the end of 2006, this should not be a problem. But that's still over
two years away.


Here's what the KC MO area looks like:

actual / maximum
4 WDAF FOX - 34 1.1KW / 1000KW
5 KCTV CBS - 24 225KW / 820KW
6 KMOS PBS - 15 322KW
9 KMBC ABC - 7 85KW
19 KCPT PBS - 18 48KW / 55KW
29 KCWE UPN - 31 525KW / 1000KW
41 KSHB NBC - 42 450KW
50 KPXE PAX - 51 1000KW
62 KSMO WB - 47 9KW / 1000KW

I'm sure you'll find a correlation between actual transmitter strength
and reception suckage. It doesn't look too bad, except for WB and FOX.
Note that KMBC shouldn't suck, because VHF digital stations only need
roughtly a tenth the power of UHF stations. 40KW will provide a very
nice signal on channel 13.


Here's the URL which brings up the license info. Replace Kxxx with the
station ID.

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?call=Kxxx

Chris Thomas August 18th 04 06:59 AM

In article . net,
says...
"Glenn" wrote in message
The main problem that I see with HD is the limited broadcast
range compared to analog.


In fact, for a given transmitter power + antenna gain, the range of
DTV is substantially greater than that of analog. For this reason,
the FCC is generally limiting DTV to about 15% of the ERP (effective
radiated power) of an analog station operating on the same frequency.

As a previous responder indicated, what you're seeing is due to the
fact that many broadcasters are only running tiny amounts of power on
the digital signals.

/Chris, AA6SQ

Chris Thomas August 18th 04 06:59 AM

In article . net,
says...
"Glenn" wrote in message
The main problem that I see with HD is the limited broadcast
range compared to analog.


In fact, for a given transmitter power + antenna gain, the range of
DTV is substantially greater than that of analog. For this reason,
the FCC is generally limiting DTV to about 15% of the ERP (effective
radiated power) of an analog station operating on the same frequency.

As a previous responder indicated, what you're seeing is due to the
fact that many broadcasters are only running tiny amounts of power on
the digital signals.

/Chris, AA6SQ

Mark Jones August 18th 04 02:21 PM

"Bruce Tomlin" wrote in message
...
Here's what the KC MO area looks like:

actual / maximum
4 WDAF FOX - 34 1.1KW / 1000KW
5 KCTV CBS - 24 225KW / 820KW
6 KMOS PBS - 15 322KW
9 KMBC ABC - 7 85KW
19 KCPT PBS - 18 48KW / 55KW
29 KCWE UPN - 31 525KW / 1000KW
41 KSHB NBC - 42 450KW
50 KPXE PAX - 51 1000KW
62 KSMO WB - 47 9KW / 1000KW

I'm sure you'll find a correlation between actual transmitter strength
and reception suckage. It doesn't look too bad, except for WB and FOX.
Note that KMBC shouldn't suck, because VHF digital stations only need
roughtly a tenth the power of UHF stations. 40KW will provide a very
nice signal on channel 13.


That explains why some of the stations aren't being received.
I was receiving WB and then it went away. They must have
been running a test at higher power when I was able to
receive enough signal. WB and FOX are the ones that I can't
receive.




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