Why does BBC 1 now call itself BBC1 LON?
 

In article , Roderick
Stewart scribeth thus
On Sat, 04 Jan 2014 04:24:56 +0000, Bill Wright
wrote:

The audio quality from some
of the European classical music stations is suburb.

Sounds right up my street.

Rod. :-)


Czech radio is often superb you can also get it on the net the D-Dur
service is the classical one:)..

Their Jazz service is very good to, sometimes the live service takes a
while to connect up..

How come they can do that whereas the BBC cannot, perhaps some countries
are more cultured than others?..


http://www.rozhlas.cz/d-dur/portal
--
Tony Sayer

Why does BBC 1 now call itself BBC1 LON?
 

Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jan 2014 04:24:56 +0000, Bill Wright
wrote:

The audio quality from some
of the European classical music stations is suburb.

Sounds right up my street.

Rod. :-)

Well I like it. Swiss Classic is good because there are no adverts or
anything.

Bill

Why does BBC 1 now call itself BBC1 LON?
 

Jim Lesurf wrote:

You should get yourself a satellite system, Jim. You'll then have the
choice of any BBC1 region.

I'm more likely to use the net in the future.

Jim, you're a respected scientist. As such you must always keep an open
mind. I don't think you're giving the possibility of satellite a fair
hearing.

For someone with your interests and abilities it is just daft to cut
yourself off from one particular medium for no good reason.

You know, here I can see Emley Moor. But I still use Freesat!

Bill

Why does BBC 1 now call itself BBC1 LON?
 

On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 15:40:22 +0000
Peter Duncanson wrote:

On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 14:50:15 +0000, Scott
wrote:

On Fri, 3 Jan 2014 11:47:41 +0000, Davey
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Jan 2014 12:37:23 +0000
Scott wrote:

On Thu, 2 Jan 2014 12:08:19 +0000, Davey
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Jan 2014 11:38:25 +0000
Bill Wright wrote:

Davey wrote:

I only have a 26" TV screen, a Toshiba, ... Switching from
BBC1 HD to BBC1 SD showed no discernible difference.

There's something wrong. I watch SD and HD on screens ranging
from 20" upwards. The difference between SD and HD is instantly
obvious. I'm not talking about something like the degree of
difference in picture quality such as you would get between 625
PAL and RGB; this is much more than that.

Bill


There may be something wrong, I grant you. But what, and how do I
find out what it is? And I am not that worried, as it is fine for
us, I'm not looking for the Ultimate Viewing Experience, and I do
not intend to buy a new STB to get a different Freeview HD
source. The Toshiba menu has loads of unintelligible options,
but they do look correct, and I can't imagine the Humax
downscaling an HD image before sending it out on the HDMI link.
Or maybe it's upscaling the SD ones instead, or maybe the TV set
is? I only use the HDMI connection to the TV set. Maybe I'm
watching everything in HD or simulated HD! If you're ever in
East Anglia, drop by for a cuppa and have a look.....

Had an eye test recently? Are you using varifocals or standard
lenses, or no spectacles?

You know, it strikes me that what we need is some kind of screen
image, broadcast on a BBC Channel while it's not being used. It
could have different colours, some stripes of varying solidity,
width and resolution; maybe a circle to check for eccentricity and
aspect ratio. Maybe put a picture of a little girl in the middle?
It would be useful for comparing SD and HD images. Then we could
give it a name: The Test Card. I wonder if I could patent the idea?

Except ... when is a channel not being used? The main channels are
24/7. When BBC Three/Four are off air they are occupied by
CBBC/CBeebies.

There is a test card available on Freeview at all times. It is low
resolution but is OK for adjusting brightness, contrast and colour.

To display it (Test Card W):

1) Tune to BBCi on 200
2) When BBCi background appears press Yellow within 30 seconds
3) Tune to another channel
4) Go back to 200
5) When BBCi background appears press Green within 30 seconds
6) Wait between 30 seconds and a couple of minutes and TCW should
appear.


Ah-ha! That's a well-kept secret, at least from Joe Public (me).
Now, if only there was an HD version (is there?). It seems to me that
BBC3/BBC3 HD would be a good place to put a testcard, available for
several hours per day, up until 7 pm. Plenty of time. And it would
allow comparisons of SD and HD, which is probably why it will never
happen. What is meant by "being occupied by CBBC/CBeebies?" Right now,
they both have the standard "Try again after 7pm" message.
I did just see a little difference in resolution between SD and HD
while watching Jamie Oliver just now, but I had to look for it, it
certainly didn't leap out at me.

--
Davey.

Why does BBC 1 now call itself BBC1 LON?
 

Davey wrote:


Ah-ha! That's a well-kept secret, at least from Joe Public (me).
Now, if only there was an HD version (is there?). It seems to me that
BBC3/BBC3 HD would be a good place to put a testcard, available for
several hours per day, up until 7 pm. Plenty of time. And it would
allow comparisons of SD and HD, which is probably why it will never
happen. What is meant by "being occupied by CBBC/CBeebies?" Right now,
they both have the standard "Try again after 7pm" message.

CBBC and BBC 3 are the *same* channel, it's on 24/7, all that happens is
6am to 7pm it occupies a different EPG position than 7pm to 6am.

It's the same stream, it's just that CBBC and BBC 3 are marketed as different
services.

So there is no down time for either, there is just a very low bandwidth MHEG
caption that your receiver is directed towards 'out of hours' for either
service. If you have a non Freesat or Sky box, no retune is required at 7pm,
there's a minute or so of black at the end of CBBC at 6:58 and up starts BBC 3
at 7pm

Exactly the same for Cbeebiees and BBC 4

So in total the four so called channels are only really two, so two 24/7 SD
streams and two 24/7 HD streams


--
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

Why does BBC 1 now call itself BBC1 LON?
 

Bill Wright wrote:
Jim Lesurf wrote:

You should get yourself a satellite system, Jim. You'll then have the
choice of any BBC1 region.

I'm more likely to use the net in the future.

Jim, you're a respected scientist. As such you must always keep an open
mind. I don't think you're giving the possibility of satellite a fair
hearing.

For someone with your interests and abilities it is just daft to cut
yourself off from one particular medium for no good reason.

You know, here I can see Emley Moor. But I still use Freesat!

So did the bloke who operated the lift for me to the top of Emley
a few years ago ! (It was a scary H&S chat too)

--
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

Why does BBC 1 now call itself BBC1 LON?
 

On Sat, 04 Jan 2014 13:53:16 +0000
Mark Carver wrote:

Davey wrote:


Ah-ha! That's a well-kept secret, at least from Joe Public (me).
Now, if only there was an HD version (is there?). It seems to me
that BBC3/BBC3 HD would be a good place to put a testcard,
available for several hours per day, up until 7 pm. Plenty of time.
And it would allow comparisons of SD and HD, which is probably why
it will never happen. What is meant by "being occupied by
CBBC/CBeebies?" Right now, they both have the standard "Try again
after 7pm" message.

CBBC and BBC 3 are the *same* channel, it's on 24/7, all that happens
is 6am to 7pm it occupies a different EPG position than 7pm to 6am.

It's the same stream, it's just that CBBC and BBC 3 are marketed as
different services.

So there is no down time for either, there is just a very low
bandwidth MHEG caption that your receiver is directed towards 'out of
hours' for either service. If you have a non Freesat or Sky box, no
retune is required at 7pm, there's a minute or so of black at the end
of CBBC at 6:58 and up starts BBC 3 at 7pm

Exactly the same for Cbeebiees and BBC 4

So in total the four so called channels are only really two, so two
24/7 SD streams and two 24/7 HD streams



Ok, thanks. I don't ever watch CBeebies, so have no idea of how it
behaves at 7pm.
So that eliminates that as a place for the HD Testcard, then. Hmmm.
What about when BBC3 and BBC4 close down? Do they revert straight back
to the kiddies then?

What I need is to find a film being broadcast on a channel which has an
HD version, and said film to be one of which I have a DVD, of recent
(HD) vintage. Since most of my DVDs are US Region 1 imports, I have no
idea what resolution to expect. The fact that they look good to me does
not appear to be definitive.

--
Davey.

Why does BBC 1 now call itself BBC1 LON?
 

In article ,
tony sayer wrote:

Czech radio is often superb you can also get it on the net the D-Dur
service is the classical one:)..

They were streaming flac at one point, but I think they then stopped this.

Their Jazz service is very good to, sometimes the live service takes a
while to connect up..

How come they can do that whereas the BBC cannot, perhaps some countries
are more cultured than others?..

Maybe the BBC are still hampered by suits alarmed by audio "as good as CD"
sic and the effect it may have on 'content providers' anxious about IPR.

Jim

http://www.rozhlas.cz/d-dur/portal

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Why does BBC 1 now call itself BBC1 LON?
 

On Sat, 4 Jan 2014 14:40:38 +0000, Davey
wrote:

Ok, thanks. I don't ever watch CBeebies, so have no idea of how it
behaves at 7pm.

It goes to bed at 7pm. That's what the caption says.

(I've got grandchildren).

Rod.

Why does BBC 1 now call itself BBC1 LON?
 

In article , Davey
scribeth thus
On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 15:40:22 +0000
Peter Duncanson wrote:

On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 14:50:15 +0000, Scott
wrote:

On Fri, 3 Jan 2014 11:47:41 +0000, Davey
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Jan 2014 12:37:23 +0000
Scott wrote:

On Thu, 2 Jan 2014 12:08:19 +0000, Davey
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Jan 2014 11:38:25 +0000
Bill Wright wrote:

Davey wrote:

I only have a 26" TV screen, a Toshiba, ... Switching from
BBC1 HD to BBC1 SD showed no discernible difference.

There's something wrong. I watch SD and HD on screens ranging
from 20" upwards. The difference between SD and HD is instantly
obvious. I'm not talking about something like the degree of
difference in picture quality such as you would get between 625
PAL and RGB; this is much more than that.

Bill


There may be something wrong, I grant you. But what, and how do I
find out what it is? And I am not that worried, as it is fine for
us, I'm not looking for the Ultimate Viewing Experience, and I do
not intend to buy a new STB to get a different Freeview HD
source. The Toshiba menu has loads of unintelligible options,
but they do look correct, and I can't imagine the Humax
downscaling an HD image before sending it out on the HDMI link.
Or maybe it's upscaling the SD ones instead, or maybe the TV set
is? I only use the HDMI connection to the TV set. Maybe I'm
watching everything in HD or simulated HD! If you're ever in
East Anglia, drop by for a cuppa and have a look.....

Had an eye test recently? Are you using varifocals or standard
lenses, or no spectacles?

You know, it strikes me that what we need is some kind of screen
image, broadcast on a BBC Channel while it's not being used. It
could have different colours, some stripes of varying solidity,
width and resolution; maybe a circle to check for eccentricity and
aspect ratio. Maybe put a picture of a little girl in the middle?
It would be useful for comparing SD and HD images. Then we could
give it a name: The Test Card. I wonder if I could patent the idea?

Except ... when is a channel not being used? The main channels are
24/7. When BBC Three/Four are off air they are occupied by
CBBC/CBeebies.

There is a test card available on Freeview at all times. It is low
resolution but is OK for adjusting brightness, contrast and colour.

To display it (Test Card W):

1) Tune to BBCi on 200
2) When BBCi background appears press Yellow within 30 seconds
3) Tune to another channel
4) Go back to 200
5) When BBCi background appears press Green within 30 seconds
6) Wait between 30 seconds and a couple of minutes and TCW should
appear.


Ah-ha! That's a well-kept secret, at least from Joe Public (me).
Now, if only there was an HD version (is there?). It seems to me that
BBC3/BBC3 HD would be a good place to put a testcard, available for
several hours per day, up until 7 pm. Plenty of time. And it would
allow comparisons of SD and HD, which is probably why it will never
happen. What is meant by "being occupied by CBBC/CBeebies?" Right now,
they both have the standard "Try again after 7pm" message.
I did just see a little difference in resolution between SD and HD
while watching Jamie Oliver just now, but I had to look for it, it
certainly didn't leap out at me.


Pity they just didn't use a spare channel for TV card and music like
what we used to have:)...

--
Tony Sayer