Why does BBC 1 now call itself BBC1 LON?
 

Johny B Good wrote:

Digital watches have had battery life ratings of 7 years or more
these past two decades ever since they started using Lithium coin
cells in place of the pair of silver oxide aspirin tablet sized cells
used by the previous generation of digital watches.

That is a far-too-sweeping statement. As a general rule, only watches
which use a backlight use lithium cells. The vast, vast majority of
non-backlit watches use a single silver button cell, to this day.

Silver button cells have a typical shelf-life of 6 years, according to
the manufacturers. So, although lithium-powered watches may give
longer battery lives, most watches are less than this.

Johny, I notice that you write with great authority, and make grand,
sweeping statements, even on subjects you don't know much about. I
normally associate that with very young people, but I believe you are
older - somewhere in your 60s? If you just inserted "in my experience"
or "as far as I'm aware" occasionally, it would greatly improve your
credibility.

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SteveT

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Yes I know. Its daft, but at least at the moment I can just ignore hd. If in
the future they make the hd channels the only choice for those using it,
then i have to get a new box. I have to say though that the software in the
Goodmans box is full of bugs and the system still falls out of sync and
needs to be reselected if AD is not to be clipped off or missing altogether
as things get confused. Also I notice more crashes blank program guides
occurring recently as well. What is the point of making it talk if the
software is still so clunky?
Brian

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"Mark Carver" wrote in message
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Brian Gaff wrote:
So why was this not an automated thing like red button or whatever but
triggered at the transmitter?

One might have expected some data control bits were spare.

The idea's been considered, but apparently the process would look too
clunky.
Of course, no more clunky than manually changing, which is what everyone
has to do anyway !!


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Davey wrote:

I only have a 26" TV screen, a Toshiba, ... Switching from BBC1 HD to BBC1 SD showed no
discernible difference.

There's something wrong. I watch SD and HD on screens ranging from 20"
upwards. The difference between SD and HD is instantly obvious. I'm not
talking about something like the degree of difference in picture quality
such as you would get between 625 PAL and RGB; this is much more than that.

Bill

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On Thu, 02 Jan 2014 11:38:25 +0000
Bill Wright wrote:

Davey wrote:

I only have a 26" TV screen, a Toshiba, ... Switching from BBC1 HD
to BBC1 SD showed no discernible difference.

There's something wrong. I watch SD and HD on screens ranging from 20"
upwards. The difference between SD and HD is instantly obvious. I'm
not talking about something like the degree of difference in picture
quality such as you would get between 625 PAL and RGB; this is much
more than that.

Bill


There may be something wrong, I grant you. But what, and how do I find
out what it is? And I am not that worried, as it is fine for us, I'm
not looking for the Ultimate Viewing Experience, and I do not intend to
buy a new STB to get a different Freeview HD source.
The Toshiba menu has loads of unintelligible options, but they do look
correct, and I can't imagine the Humax downscaling an HD image before
sending it out on the HDMI link. Or maybe it's upscaling the SD ones
instead, or maybe the TV set is? I only use the HDMI connection to the
TV set. Maybe I'm watching everything in HD or simulated HD!
If you're ever in East Anglia, drop by for a cuppa and have a look.....

--
Davey.

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On Wed, 1 Jan 2014 23:58:11 +0000, Davey
wrote:

On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 13:03:53 +0000
Scott wrote:

On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 12:32:04 +0000, Davey
wrote:

On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 11:27:17 +0000
Scott wrote:

On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 10:57:39 -0000, "Brian Gaff"
wrote:

OK a while back I asked what bbc 1 leng was, well the talking
Goodmans box still calls it thatbut I've had confirmation that it
is indeed LON, so why its not said right must be down to the
speech synth in the box.
However no other station on Freeview identifies its region in
this way. I
can understand it on the sat feed, but it seems pointless on
Freeview unless there are now so many people who cannot tell
which transmitter is their right one its there to help them out!

Depends where you live. Mine is called 'BBC 1 Scot' :-)

Unnecessary it may be, but I can see some logic in distinguishing
if the two differ. As a matter of interest, I assume all of
England receives BBC 1 LON HD?

Mine, from Tacolneston, Norfolk, calls itself BBC 1 East. I don't
bother with HD, so can't answer that question.

Seems half the people think HD is brilliant and the other half can't
see much difference. You and I must be in different categories.

I only have a 26" TV screen, a Toshiba, and if I play a DVD using HDMI,
it looks really clear when sharp-edged artifacts are shown, such as
intro stuff. The picture when playing the film is fine. I tried
comparing SD and HD TV transmissions, using my Humax as the source, and
I can see no difference between them. All settings appear to be correct.
I would expect a different result with a larger screen, however.
I tried the same thing when an episode of 'Pointless' was on, as that
program often has text on a board that gets quite close together and
difficult to distinguish. Switching from BBC1 HD to BBC1 SD showed no
discernible difference.
Your mileage may differ.

As I said ... "Seems half the people think HD is brilliant and the
other half can't see much difference. "

I am very pleased indeed to be the recipient of BBC Four HD, BBC News
HD and Aljazeera HD.

Why does BBC 1 now call itself BBC1 LON?
 

On Thu, 2 Jan 2014 12:08:19 +0000, Davey
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Jan 2014 11:38:25 +0000
Bill Wright wrote:

Davey wrote:

I only have a 26" TV screen, a Toshiba, ... Switching from BBC1 HD
to BBC1 SD showed no discernible difference.

There's something wrong. I watch SD and HD on screens ranging from 20"
upwards. The difference between SD and HD is instantly obvious. I'm
not talking about something like the degree of difference in picture
quality such as you would get between 625 PAL and RGB; this is much
more than that.

Bill


There may be something wrong, I grant you. But what, and how do I find
out what it is? And I am not that worried, as it is fine for us, I'm
not looking for the Ultimate Viewing Experience, and I do not intend to
buy a new STB to get a different Freeview HD source.
The Toshiba menu has loads of unintelligible options, but they do look
correct, and I can't imagine the Humax downscaling an HD image before
sending it out on the HDMI link. Or maybe it's upscaling the SD ones
instead, or maybe the TV set is? I only use the HDMI connection to the
TV set. Maybe I'm watching everything in HD or simulated HD!
If you're ever in East Anglia, drop by for a cuppa and have a look.....

Had an eye test recently? Are you using varifocals or standard
lenses, or no spectacles?

Why does BBC 1 now call itself BBC1 LON?
 

On Thu, 02 Jan 2014 12:37:23 +0000
Scott wrote:

On Thu, 2 Jan 2014 12:08:19 +0000, Davey
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Jan 2014 11:38:25 +0000
Bill Wright wrote:

Davey wrote:

I only have a 26" TV screen, a Toshiba, ... Switching from BBC1
HD to BBC1 SD showed no discernible difference.

There's something wrong. I watch SD and HD on screens ranging from
20" upwards. The difference between SD and HD is instantly
obvious. I'm not talking about something like the degree of
difference in picture quality such as you would get between 625
PAL and RGB; this is much more than that.

Bill


There may be something wrong, I grant you. But what, and how do I
find out what it is? And I am not that worried, as it is fine for
us, I'm not looking for the Ultimate Viewing Experience, and I do
not intend to buy a new STB to get a different Freeview HD source.
The Toshiba menu has loads of unintelligible options, but they do
look correct, and I can't imagine the Humax downscaling an HD image
before sending it out on the HDMI link. Or maybe it's upscaling the
SD ones instead, or maybe the TV set is? I only use the HDMI
connection to the TV set. Maybe I'm watching everything in HD or
simulated HD! If you're ever in East Anglia, drop by for a cuppa and
have a look.....

Had an eye test recently? Are you using varifocals or standard
lenses, or no spectacles?

About three weeks ago. That's not it. I think that the SD is getting
upscaled somewhere along the way, and if it's the TV set, it's
probably happening to all SD programs. I'll try connecting the Humax via
phono leads and watch the SD like that.

--
Davey.

Why does BBC 1 now call itself BBC1 LON?
 

On Thu, 02 Jan 2014 04:43:20 -0600, "Steve Thackery"
wrote:

Johny B Good wrote:

Digital watches have had battery life ratings of 7 years or more
these past two decades ever since they started using Lithium coin
cells in place of the pair of silver oxide aspirin tablet sized cells
used by the previous generation of digital watches.

That is a far-too-sweeping statement. As a general rule, only watches
which use a backlight use lithium cells. The vast, vast majority of
non-backlit watches use a single silver button cell, to this day.

TBH, I couldn't remember whether the use of silver oxide button cells
involved just one or a pair (1.6v cell voltage) so took a punt since I
thought the last one such cheap watch I'd had to replace the
'battery' in had used a pair. Upon reflection, I'm not so sure.


Silver button cells have a typical shelf-life of 6 years, according to
the manufacturers. So, although lithium-powered watches may give
longer battery lives, most watches are less than this.

That's a more than decent shelf life compared to more mundane battery
technology. It's certainly more than enough to meet the requirement of
12 to 18 months between battery changes in a cheaper watch.

IME, with my ancient Chinon CX SLR, the shelf life of the larger
Silver oxide button cells can easily surpass the 6 year mark. Shelf
life ratings tend to be rather conservative to minimise the worst case
scenario.

For example, the ten year shelf life specification for a lithium coin
cell is based on a reduction of usable capacity down to 90%. This
implies a 20 year shelf life to reach 80% remaining capacity.
Depending on the equipment such a cell is fitted to, the service life
could easily exceed the ten year shelf life ime.


Johny, I notice that you write with great authority, and make grand,
sweeping statements, even on subjects you don't know much about. I
normally associate that with very young people, but I believe you are
older - somewhere in your 60s? If you just inserted "in my experience"
or "as far as I'm aware" occasionally, it would greatly improve your
credibility.

That's a fair criticism. I often 'wince' when reviewing some of my
earlier postings when I realise an "IME" or IMHO" would have made it
look a little less pompous.

You're also right about my decrepitude (I'm 63 yo) ;-(

There's not too much I _don't_ know about when it comes to complex
technology (in particular, the underlying fundamental laws and
principles involved). The problem is more to do with the fact that, at
my age, I've started to forget more than most of my contempories ever
knew.

I believe that if a thing is worth saying, it's worth saying it
_with_ authority. It's this which drives my unfortunate tendency to
pomposity and the occasional resort to "winging it" rather than take
pause to verify 'my facts'.

The problem is I get so little feedback to most of my more
"authoritative" posts that I've had to assume I've covered the subject
so comprehensively as to preclude any need for further 'discussion'
(at least that's what my ego tells me).

Despite the feeling I have that I aught to just 'drip feed' my
'pearls of wisdom' to the group to leave room for discussion, I just
can't resist writng a full and comprehensive treatise on the subject
in question. I really aught to try and apply some restraint when
posting on subjects I (believe I) have some in depth knowledge of.

Getting back to the issue of watch battery changeouts, if you choose
a lithium cell powered model, there's every chance the 'battery' will
outlast the watch (especially if you minimise usage of the backlight
button).
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Regards, J B Good

Why does BBC 1 now call itself BBC1 LON?
 

Johny B Good wrote:

Loads of good personal stuff

Thanks, Johny, that was a brilliant response. You've quite boosted my
faith in human nature!

You're also right about my decrepitude (I'm 63 yo) ;-(

SIXTY THREE! WOW!! That's DECADES older than me, at a mere 56!

and the occasional resort to "winging it" rather than take
pause to verify 'my facts'.

I smiled when I read this, because I think it could be said for
everyone of us here, at some time or other.

Am I right in thinking you used to work for BT? I joined in 1973 and
stayed there for 32 years. Great times, mostly.


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SteveT

Why does BBC 1 now call itself BBC1 LON?
 

On Thu, 02 Jan 2014 16:18:07 -0600, "Steve Thackery"
wrote:

Johny B Good wrote:

Loads of good personal stuff

Thanks, Johny, that was a brilliant response. You've quite boosted my
faith in human nature!

You're also right about my decrepitude (I'm 63 yo) ;-(

SIXTY THREE! WOW!! That's DECADES older than me, at a mere 56!

Unless the '56' is a typo, decades is a bit of an exageration.


and the occasional resort to "winging it" rather than take
pause to verify 'my facts'.

I smiled when I read this, because I think it could be said for
everyone of us here, at some time or other.

That's human nature. It's only a problem if you get 'called out' and
dig your heels in.


Am I right in thinking you used to work for BT? I joined in 1973 and
stayed there for 32 years. Great times, mostly.

Yes, I joined as a TTA back in '67, leaving at the very end of '92
whilst the 'Golden Handshakes' were still on offer. I'd had enough of
Thatcher's version of BT by then and thought this would be my last
chance to have a go at trying something else for a living whilst I was
still young enough to adapt.

I'm impressed you stuck it out for 32 years, especially considering
the radical changes in working practices that must have been happening
post '92 after I left the firm with a mere 25 years of service clocked
up.

I'm guessing you found another job or went self employed when you
quit BT (by my reckoning you'd have been around 47 years old by then
which seems a bit young to be going into 'early retirement').

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Regards, J B Good