Why does BBC 1 now call itself BBC1 LON?
 

On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 12:03:09 -0600, "Steve Thackery"
wrote:

Some 'Full HD' TVs have a built-in library of photos, to show off the
screen. My Sony has. The detail in those pictures is fantastic,
stunning and makes full use of the pixel count. Having studied one up
close, switch to an HD broadcast and study that up close, too.

You will be annoyed at how poorly it exploits your expensive 1920 x
1080 screen, I guarantee it.

My 1920x1080 TV screen is also connected to a computer, which when not
being used for anything else displays one of the Windows 7 desktop
slideshows, normally one of the landscape themes (because I like
them), which I change from time to time.

Thus I am aware of what the screen is capable of, and while an
occasional shot in a TV programme will come close it never quite
matches it, and in any case it always looks rubbish as soon as
anything moves. I recall the HD demonstrations I saw at trade shows
like IBC several decades ago using Plumbicon cameras and CRT displays
being a lot better than what we now have to accept on broadcasts.

Rod.

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"Scott" wrote in message
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On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 12:32:04 +0000, Davey
wrote:

On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 11:27:17 +0000
Scott wrote:

On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 10:57:39 -0000, "Brian Gaff"
wrote:

OK a while back I asked what bbc 1 leng was, well the talking
Goodmans box still calls it thatbut I've had confirmation that it is
indeed LON, so why its not said right must be down to the speech
synth in the box.
However no other station on Freeview identifies its region in this
way. I
can understand it on the sat feed, but it seems pointless on
Freeview unless there are now so many people who cannot tell which
transmitter is their right one its there to help them out!

Depends where you live. Mine is called 'BBC 1 Scot' :-)

Unnecessary it may be, but I can see some logic in distinguishing if
the two differ. As a matter of interest, I assume all of England
receives BBC 1 LON HD?

Mine, from Tacolneston, Norfolk, calls itself BBC 1 East. I don't
bother with HD, so can't answer that question.

Seems half the people think HD is brilliant and the other half can't
see much difference.

It's not that I can't see the difference. It's that I can't see the need,
for the majority of programs. You only watch drama for the "story" and
documentaries for the "information, why does the picture need to be perfect?

OK, where there are six full muxes available and not a lot of people queuing
up to add channels to them, the HD channels don't take up usable space

But I certainly think that it's wrong in the locations served by Freeview
Lite, to tell people who have to suffer this "poor" service that there isn't
space on two muxes for the 30 extra channels they are missing, but there is
space to put six channels on twice.

tim

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"Steve Thackery" wrote in message
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Richard Tobin wrote:

I would have expected most people who have looked at it to be in a
category "yes, it's obviously better, but not as much as I'd hoped".

I'm in that category. It ****es me off that loads of fine detail is
"smoothed out" so the picture is much lower definition than the pixel
count allows for. Presumably the smoothing is done to remove high
frequency content and thus allow for a lower bandwidth.

Some 'Full HD' TVs have a built-in library of photos, to show off the
screen. My Sony has. The detail in those pictures is fantastic,
stunning and makes full use of the pixel count. Having studied one up
close, switch to an HD broadcast and study that up close, too.

That could be the motion. Have you tried freezing an HD video (Blu-ray or
HDD recorder/pause live TV)?

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Max Demian

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On 31/12/2013 12:32, Davey wrote:
Mine, from Tacolneston, Norfolk, calls itself BBC 1 East. I don't
bother with HD, so can't answer that question.

Whereas here in Sandy Heath land, we get BBC1 East W

Just looks odd...

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Fred

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Max Demian wrote:

That could be the motion. Have you tried freezing an HD video
(Blu-ray or HDD recorder/pause live TV)?

Yes. Nothing like as good as a pin-sharp 1920 x 1080 photo displayed
on the same screen.

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SteveT

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tim..... wrote:

It's not that I can't see the difference. It's that I can't see the
need, for the majority of programs.

Come now, this isn't the USA.

You only watch drama for the
"story" and documentaries for the "information, why does the picture
need to be perfect?

Both types of programme can have visuals that are a positive pleasure to
watch. "Ohh, just LOOK at that!" The sense of involvement is better as
well with HD.

But I certainly think that it's wrong in the locations served by
Freeview Lite, to tell people who have to suffer this "poor" service
that there isn't space on two muxes for the 30 extra channels they are
missing, but there is space to put six channels on twice.

It's almost enough to make you wonder if such people should have been
forcibly kicked into the near future by only broadcasting from the
relays in T2. I don't mean 'only in HD', but there would be no SD
duplicates of HD channels. There would be SD channels in T2.

Bill

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On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 21:59:22 -0000, "tim....."
wrote:


Seems half the people think HD is brilliant and the other half can't
see much difference.

It's not that I can't see the difference. It's that I can't see the need,
for the majority of programs. You only watch drama for the "story" and
documentaries for the "information, why does the picture need to be perfect?

On that basis, you could ask why anything needs to be any good at all.

It's fortunate not everybody thinks like that. Just as well. If nobody
saw any point in improving anything, or just doing things well for the
sake of doing them well, then we might have decided a long time ago
that it was tiresome watching a flickering neon lamp through a
spinning disk and just given up the notion of television altogether.

Happy new year.

Rod.

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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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tim..... wrote:

It's not that I can't see the difference. It's that I can't see the
need, for the majority of programs.

Come now, this isn't the USA.

You only watch drama for the "story" and documentaries for the
"information, why does the picture need to be perfect?

Both types of programme can have visuals that are a positive pleasure to
watch. "Ohh, just LOOK at that!" The sense of involvement is better as
well with HD.

But I certainly think that it's wrong in the locations served by Freeview
Lite, to tell people who have to suffer this "poor" service that there
isn't space on two muxes for the 30 extra channels they are missing, but
there is space to put six channels on twice.

It's almost enough to make you wonder if such people should have been
forcibly kicked into the near future by only broadcasting from the relays
in T2. I don't mean 'only in HD', but there would be no SD duplicates of
HD channels. There would be SD channels in T2.

You can't do that until there isn't a large supply of legacy TVs that can't
do HD.

And I don't mean HD "ready" screens. I mean PVRs. You can still buy, new,
SD only PVRs as they cost less because you put a *much* smaller disk in
them.

It will be at least 10 years (IMHO) before it is "fair" to obsolete this
equipment

tim

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And the talking box does notcover hd. Bit pointless really as the sound is
the same except its apparently quieter on hd and the AD on boxes that
support it sounds too quiet to me.
Brian

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"Davey" wrote in message
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On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 11:27:17 +0000
Scott wrote:

On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 10:57:39 -0000, "Brian Gaff"
wrote:

OK a while back I asked what bbc 1 leng was, well the talking
Goodmans box still calls it thatbut I've had confirmation that it is
indeed LON, so why its not said right must be down to the speech
synth in the box.
However no other station on Freeview identifies its region in this
way. I
can understand it on the sat feed, but it seems pointless on
Freeview unless there are now so many people who cannot tell which
transmitter is their right one its there to help them out!

Depends where you live. Mine is called 'BBC 1 Scot' :-)

Unnecessary it may be, but I can see some logic in distinguishing if
the two differ. As a matter of interest, I assume all of England
receives BBC 1 LON HD?

Mine, from Tacolneston, Norfolk, calls itself BBC 1 East. I don't
bother with HD, so can't answer that question.

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Davey.

Why does BBC 1 now call itself BBC1 LON?
 

Probably depends on screen size and how good the display is.
Brian

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"Scott" wrote in message
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On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 12:32:04 +0000, Davey
wrote:

On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 11:27:17 +0000
Scott wrote:

On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 10:57:39 -0000, "Brian Gaff"
wrote:

OK a while back I asked what bbc 1 leng was, well the talking
Goodmans box still calls it thatbut I've had confirmation that it is
indeed LON, so why its not said right must be down to the speech
synth in the box.
However no other station on Freeview identifies its region in this
way. I
can understand it on the sat feed, but it seems pointless on
Freeview unless there are now so many people who cannot tell which
transmitter is their right one its there to help them out!

Depends where you live. Mine is called 'BBC 1 Scot' :-)

Unnecessary it may be, but I can see some logic in distinguishing if
the two differ. As a matter of interest, I assume all of England
receives BBC 1 LON HD?

Mine, from Tacolneston, Norfolk, calls itself BBC 1 East. I don't
bother with HD, so can't answer that question.

Seems half the people think HD is brilliant and the other half can't
see much difference. You and I must be in different categories.