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Steve Thackery wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

I don't give a **** what colour their skin is, or where they were
born.
You can say that all you want. Your many posts here tend to show
otherwise.

Hey, hang on a minute! Where has Bill ever suggested that he
discriminates on grounds of skin colour?


Well I haven't have I? The proposition is so absurd as to not be worthy
of refutation.

Bill

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On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 18:16:34 -0600, Steve Thackery wrote:

Hey, hang on a minute! Where has Bill ever suggested that he
discriminates on grounds of skin colour?

Bill says otherwise and probably believes it. I don't know where he gets
his beliefs from, but some of his posts do lead one to suspect that he
frequents regional chat forums where he often reads posts by others that
begin with "I'm not racist but...".

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On Sat, 4 Jan 2014 08:11:48 +0000 (UTC), Steve Wakeman
wrote:

Hey, hang on a minute! Where has Bill ever suggested that he
discriminates on grounds of skin colour?

Bill says otherwise and probably believes it. I don't know where he gets
his beliefs from, but some of his posts do lead one to suspect that he
frequents regional chat forums where he often reads posts by others that
begin with "I'm not racist but...".

The fact that you suspect something that you've just made up means not
a jot. Look at the actual evidence of what the redoubtable Mr W
actually writes here, and you'll only see him discriminating on the
basis of antisocial behaviour and murderous intent, which seems
perfectly reasonable to me.

Rod

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On Sat, 04 Jan 2014 09:45:52 +0000, Roderick Stewart wrote:

On Sat, 4 Jan 2014 08:11:48 +0000 (UTC), Steve Wakeman
wrote:

Bill says otherwise and probably believes it. I don't know where he
gets his beliefs from, but some of his posts do lead one to suspect that
he frequents regional chat forums where he often reads posts by others
that begin with "I'm not racist but...".

The fact that you suspect something that you've just made up means not a
jot. Look at the actual evidence of what the redoubtable Mr W actually
writes here, and you'll only see him discriminating on the basis of
antisocial behaviour and murderous intent, which seems perfectly
reasonable to me.

Except this is uk.tech.digital-tv, right? I'm not against off-topic
stuff in principle, but when somebody frequently references bad things
about immigrants and repeatedly claims anti-indigene media bias, when one
could equally well find counterexamples if one chose to look, then at
best, that that person is blind to their selective bias.

All that Jaz
 

On Sat, 4 Jan 2014 10:33:20 +0000 (UTC), Steve Wakeman
wrote:


Bill says otherwise and probably believes it. I don't know where he
gets his beliefs from, but some of his posts do lead one to suspect that
he frequents regional chat forums where he often reads posts by others
that begin with "I'm not racist but...".

The fact that you suspect something that you've just made up means not a
jot. Look at the actual evidence of what the redoubtable Mr W actually
writes here, and you'll only see him discriminating on the basis of
antisocial behaviour and murderous intent, which seems perfectly
reasonable to me.

Except this is uk.tech.digital-tv, right? I'm not against off-topic
stuff in principle, but when somebody frequently references bad things
about immigrants and repeatedly claims anti-indigene media bias, when one
could equally well find counterexamples if one chose to look, then at
best, that that person is blind to their selective bias.

Whether it's off topic or on topic is beside the point. Inventing
motives you think somebody else might have on the basis of what you
think they might have read in other places you think they might
frequent is no basis on which to criticise anybody or anything.

Rod.

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Steve Wakeman wrote:
On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 18:16:34 -0600, Steve Thackery wrote:

Hey, hang on a minute! Where has Bill ever suggested that he
discriminates on grounds of skin colour?

Bill says otherwise and probably believes it. I don't know where he gets
his beliefs from,

I form them from independent thought. I don't 'get them from' anywhere,
unlike a lot of sheep I could mention hereabouts.

but some of his posts do lead one to suspect that he
frequents regional chat forums where he often reads posts by others that
begin with "I'm not racist but...".


No I don't read regional chat forums.

There is, of course, a problem with "I'm not racist but..." It's often
derided and the assumption made that the speaker really is racist.
That's what you just did Steve. However it is not always the case. It is
perfectly possible for a genuinely non-racist person to begin a sentence
that way. No rules of grammar or logic will be broken. Unfortunately the
unthinking knee-jerk leftist will always jump on it, so I try to avoid it.

It's a shame that many people can't distinguish in their minds
legitimate concerns about immigration and terrorism from racism. It does
the anti-racist cause great harm, because it engenders feelings of
resentment.

No matter how much it upsets the mule-like leftists I will continue to
oppose the idea of having this country's ancient institutions altered to
accommodate the unprecedented number of foreigners we now have living
here. They should accept that they are guests and should behave
accordingly. If they did that they might be more welcome.

I will continue to despise the foreign terrorists and the communities
that support them. And they ARE foreign. A person with values totally at
odds with British ones, recent foreign heritage, and the desire to
subvert the state, is not British, or English, and to say they are is
playing with words. Their actions mean they must forfeit the prize of
being truly British.

I have always thought, by the way, that the way 'racism' is elevated
above 'sexism', homophobia, 'ageism' and so forth, is something else
that does anti-racism harm. I cannot see how we can legitimately have an
hierarchy of discrimination. Why is discrimination against someone
because of their skin worse than discrimination against someone because
of their age? A victim is a victim. The hysteria surrounding allegations
of racism in, for instance, the schools, is absurd and
counter-productive. These matters should be dealt with calmly and
proportionately. The fact that schools have made racist comments a worse
crime than physical bullying goes against all common sense.

Bill

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Steve Wakeman wrote:

The fact that you suspect something that you've just made up means not a
jot. Look at the actual evidence of what the redoubtable Mr W actually
writes here, and you'll only see him discriminating on the basis of
antisocial behaviour and murderous intent, which seems perfectly
reasonable to me.

Except this is uk.tech.digital-tv, right? I'm not against off-topic
stuff in principle, but when somebody frequently references bad things
about immigrants and repeatedly claims anti-indigene media bias, when one
could equally well find counterexamples if one chose to look, then at
best, that that person is blind to their selective bias.

You've completely changed your ground to bring in the 'off topic'
argument, then changed it again half way through your paragraph in an
attempt to discredit my opposition to BBC bias.

Make yer mind up!

Bill

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In article ,
Steve Thackery wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

I don't give a **** what colour their skin is, or where they were
born.

You can say that all you want. Your many posts here tend to show
otherwise.

Hey, hang on a minute! Where has Bill ever suggested that he
discriminates on grounds of skin colour?

He's the one who brought up colour. Not me.

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In article ,
Roderick Stewart wrote:
The fact that you suspect something that you've just made up means not
a jot. Look at the actual evidence of what the redoubtable Mr W
actually writes here, and you'll only see him discriminating on the
basis of antisocial behaviour and murderous intent, which seems
perfectly reasonable to me.

You missed the post where he implied they were immigrants?

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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article , Bill Wright
wrote:


No matter how much it upsets the mule-like leftists I will continue to
oppose the idea of having this country's ancient institutions altered to
accommodate the unprecedented number of foreigners we now have living
here. They should accept that they are guests and should behave
accordingly. If they did that they might be more welcome.

I will continue to despise the foreign terrorists and the communities
that support them. And they ARE foreign. A person with values totally at
odds with British ones, recent foreign heritage, and the desire to
subvert the state, is not British, or English, and to say they are is
playing with words. Their actions mean they must forfeit the prize of
being truly British.

Classic examples of the use of vague and sweeping generalisations and
self-referential phrases to construct rhetoric. Alas, the kinds of
speechifiying tricks politicians use to cloud thought and divorce their
assertions from reality. No real substance, just rhetoric in the form of
slogans.

Wasted enough time on this.

Jim

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