Using the same channel numbers for SD and HD
 

On Sun, 22 Dec 2013 04:48:05 +0000, Johny B Good
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On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 22:16:18 -0000, "Woody"
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Please ditch the HTML.

His refusal even to acknowledge anybody's request, let alone do anything
about it, has earned him the title "arrogant ****" and he's now been
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I suggest you all do the same.

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Dickie mint wrote:


To my mind, that's how it ought to work. Why can't UK EPGs be as simple
instead of hiding HD channels all over the place!!?"

Because in the UK we seem to have developed a culture where a channel's
EPG position is almost more important than the actual content it's carrying.

BBC 1, 2, ITV 1, C4, and C5 must occupy the five most prominent EPG positions
on a UK EPG. Then there's other nonsense on Freeview about new channels not
being allowed to leap frog others in the EPG pecking order.

At least there's now early signs of exact HD simulcasts of SD versions taking
their 'primary' EPG positions on Sky. Nothing yet for Freesat or Freeview.

The whole business needs to be subverted. Thankfully decent TV sets today
allow you to erase and reorder the Freeview EPG to your hearts content.
Regrettably Freesat is tied down by the broadcasters, and very little of user
customisation is possible. Of course Sky allows nothing lie that !



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On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 21:14:43 +0000, Dickie mint
wrote:

It's late, my brain is almost asleep, maybe I should leave this till
morning. But then I'll forget to post it again!!

This comment from another forum raises the question of "How's it done?"

"UK EPGs are very poor as far as channel allocation is concerned. TNT in
France have a much better system whereby HD versions appear on the same
channel numbers on an HD receiver as the SD versions do on an SD
receiver. On the HD receiver, the SD versions are then shuffled up to
higher channel numbers.

On an SD receiver, the first seven channels are TF1, FR2, FR3, Canal+,
FR5, M6 and Arte.

On my Sagem the first seven channels are TF1-HD, FR2-HD, FR3, Canal+ HD,
FR5, M6 HD and Arte HD. (TF1 is on 51, FR2 on 52, M6 on 56 and Arte on
57 - all 50 channels higher.)

To my mind, that's how it ought to work. Why can't UK EPGs be as simple
instead of hiding HD channels all over the place!!?"

Richard

Are you suggesting that an HD receiver should have only the HD versions
of channels in the EPG where both SD and HD versions are transmitted?

There are two problems with that to do with receivers that record.

1. The recording of a programme in HD occupies substantially more disc
space than the SD equivalent.

2. On both Freesat and Freeview HD material is recorded on disc in
"encrypted" form. The recording also contains an identifier which means
that it can be replayed only on the box that recorded it. It cannot be
copied to and replayed on any other box even of the same type, or on a
PC or other device.


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Woody wrote:


There are three main problems: HD is on a different mux to SD cross
switching between which is technically quite difficult; the
distribution of HD to main stations is quite seperate from SD; are
BBC regional studios equipped with HD?

No, there's only really one main problem, money. The regional studios don't
need to upgrade to HD, for HD regional versions of BBC 1 to appear, it just
requires HD pass-thru ability at each region, with local content upscaled to
HD. (a cut down version of what's been adopted in Wales and NI) and a shed
load of extra coding kit at the central coding centres.

I've explained in this newsgroup on countless occasions how the BBC regional
opting works, and how the BBC SD and HD muxes are arranged and distributed, I
really can't be arsed to go through it all again.

And sort your bloody message settings out, haven't you noticed the comments
more and more are making about the shambolic mess you post ?

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On 22/12/2013 10:37, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
On Sun, 22 Dec 2013 04:48:05 +0000, Johny B Good
wrote:

On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 22:16:18 -0000,
wrote:

Please ditch the HTML.

His refusal even to acknowledge anybody's request, let alone do anything
about it, has earned him the title "arrogant ****" and he's now been
kill-filed here.
I suggest you all do the same.

Looks like the wrong attribution.

As far as I can see, it's Woody who's posting in HTML. He probably
doesn't realise. He always posted in plain text previously.
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On 22/12/2013 10:56, Peter Duncanson wrote:


2. On both Freesat and Freeview HD material is recorded on disc in
"encrypted" form. The recording also contains an identifier which means
that it can be replayed only on the box that recorded it. It cannot be
copied to and replayed on any other box even of the same type, or on a
PC or other device.



Only partially true. That's the way it's designed, but there are 'fixes'
available - certainly for Humax owners - don't know about other makes.
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On Sun, 22 Dec 2013 04:48:05 +0000, Johny B Good
wrote:

On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 22:16:18 -0000, "Woody"
wrote:

Please ditch the HTML.
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In Outlook Express 6, click the "Tools" menu, then "Options", then the
"Send" tab, then look for some little buttons near the bottom left of
the panel. One pair of them is labelled "News Sending format". Click
the one that says "Plain Text".

How you send your emails is between you and whoever you send them to.

Rod.

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On Sun, 22 Dec 2013 11:02:45 +0000, Mark Carver
wrote:

are BBC regional studios equipped with HD?

No, there's only really one main problem, money. The regional studios don't
need to upgrade to HD, for HD regional versions of BBC 1 to appear, it just
requires HD pass-thru ability at each region, with local content upscaled to
HD.

And extra bandwidth to get HD instead of SD to and from. And extra
bandwidth on satellite.

I've explained in this newsgroup on countless occasions how the BBC regional
opting works, and how the BBC SD and HD muxes are arranged and distributed, I
really can't be arsed to go through it all again.

And sort your bloody message settings out, haven't you noticed the comments
more and more are making about the shambolic mess you post ?

You are officially old and grumpy now. I've still got a few days to go :-)

Using the same channel numbers for SD and HD
 

On Sun, 22 Dec 2013 12:06:44 +0000, Roger Mills
wrote:

On 22/12/2013 10:56, Peter Duncanson wrote:


2. On both Freesat and Freeview HD material is recorded on disc in
"encrypted" form. The recording also contains an identifier which means
that it can be replayed only on the box that recorded it. It cannot be
copied to and replayed on any other box even of the same type, or on a
PC or other device.



Only partially true. That's the way it's designed, but there are 'fixes'
available - certainly for Humax owners - don't know about other makes.

I am aware of a "fix" for Humax Freeview recorders.

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Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

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Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
On Sun, 22 Dec 2013 04:48:05 +0000, Johny B Good
wrote:

On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 22:16:18 -0000, "Woody"
wrote:

Please ditch the HTML.

His refusal even to acknowledge anybody's request, let alone do anything
about it, has earned him the title "arrogant ****" and he's now been
kill-filed here.
I suggest you all do the same.

Oh do please leave him alone! It's all right for you young uns who
learnt about computers when you still had working brains. It isn't so
easy for us old fellers.

Bill