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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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Tim+ wrote:

Bill

Oh for FFS! Do you *really* think that reusing carrier bags is
responsible
for food poisoning? Really scraping the barrel now.

Tim

Having spent some time recently (of necessity) learning about food
hygiene, I'd say that the reuse of carrier bags if the contents are
inadequately individually wrapped or bagged is a severe risk. Even if they
are the daily re-use of the same bag carries risks unless the bag is
thoroughly washed after every trip.


Most stuff is (too) incredibly wrapped up when you buy it

If you are suffering from food poisoning, try washing your hands after
you've been to the bog.

OT How many blokes do you see (not) washing their hands in the gents after
they've been for a p**s?
Take note ladies, NEVER take peanuts from that bowl on the bar.

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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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Peter Duncanson wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 20:52:03 +0000, Bill Wright
wrote:

Peter Duncanson wrote:

In terms of single-use bags used the figures so far released for the
first three month period the usage seems to have dropped to about 25%
of
what it was. On the basis of casual observation in the supermarket,
convenience stores and shops that I use I'd estimate the drop to be
much
greater. People are using either their own bags or multiple-use bags
sold by the retailers, or are carrying small numbers of items unbagged.
Which is very unhygienic. I wonder what is the environmental cost of one
attack of food poisoning.

It isn't unhygienic because bags used for health or safety reasons are
exempt from the levy.

quote
A single use carrier bag of any material and of any size is exempt from
the charging requirement if it is used solely to contain one or more of
the following unpackaged items:

* food for human or animal consumption - for example loose fruit and
vegetables and bread and other baked goods.

* loose seeds, bulbs, corms or rhizomes;

* axes, knives, and knife or razor blades; and

* goods contaminated by soil - for example vegetables or pot
plants.
endquote from:
http://www.doeni.gov.uk/guidance_on_...__ni__2013.pdf



meat?

Meat comes pre-wrapped up from the shelf.

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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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It's time start saving your supermarket bags. From next October they will
be 5p each. This is because of the stupid greenies. I have a large box in
the basement and I put my bags in there. I use them for dog ****, clinical
waste, badly soiled laundry, bowls of food for freezing, disposable
nappies, collecting apples and tomatoes, all sorts of things. When they
are banned I will have to buy bags. These will be made from much thicker
plastic so will cause more waste. I've made enquiries and I will be able
to get bags for clinical waste from the NHS. This will cost me nothing but
will cost the taxpayers a lot, because everyone will get onto it. The
greenies are stupid ****s.

I think it is the duty of all right-thinking people to do all they can to
subvert and sabotage all greeny-influenced legislation. I go out of my way
to do this.
*
*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_P..._Garbage_Patch

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On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 08:34:11 -0000, "harryagain"
wrote:


"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
Peter Duncanson wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 20:52:03 +0000, Bill Wright
wrote:

Peter Duncanson wrote:

In terms of single-use bags used the figures so far released for the
first three month period the usage seems to have dropped to about 25%
of
what it was. On the basis of casual observation in the supermarket,
convenience stores and shops that I use I'd estimate the drop to be
much
greater. People are using either their own bags or multiple-use bags
sold by the retailers, or are carrying small numbers of items unbagged.
Which is very unhygienic. I wonder what is the environmental cost of one
attack of food poisoning.

It isn't unhygienic because bags used for health or safety reasons are
exempt from the levy.

quote
A single use carrier bag of any material and of any size is exempt from
the charging requirement if it is used solely to contain one or more of
the following unpackaged items:

* food for human or animal consumption - for example loose fruit and
vegetables and bread and other baked goods.

* loose seeds, bulbs, corms or rhizomes;

* axes, knives, and knife or razor blades; and

* goods contaminated by soil - for example vegetables or pot
plants.
endquote from:
http://www.doeni.gov.uk/guidance_on_...__ni__2013.pdf



meat?

Meat comes pre-wrapped up from the shelf.

If you buy meat that has been cut from a larger piece at the time of
purchase (in a butcher's shop or at a butcher's counter in a
supermarket, for instance) any bag that it is put into will be free.


--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

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"Huge" wrote in message
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On 2013-12-19, Peter Duncanson wrote:
What does "working well" mean? What is the point of the
levy? To reduce overall consumption of bags? (Fail.) To reduce littering?
(Success, I believe.) To raise tax revenue? (Don't know.)

Will the fact that someone has paid 5p for a supermarket bag mean they are
more likely to throw it away in a bin rather than in a hedge-bottom after
they have finished with it? It might encourage *some* people to reuse the
bag a couple of times before throwing it away (responsibly or
irresponsibly).

I'm sure tax-raising is a significant reason - call me an old cynic.

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On 20/12/2013 11:10, NY wrote:
"Huge" wrote in message
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On 2013-12-19, Peter Duncanson wrote:
What does "working well" mean? What is the point of the
levy? To reduce overall consumption of bags? (Fail.) To reduce littering?
(Success, I believe.) To raise tax revenue? (Don't know.)

Will the fact that someone has paid 5p for a supermarket bag mean they
are more likely to throw it away in a bin rather than in a hedge-bottom
after they have finished with it? It might encourage *some* people to
reuse the bag a couple of times before throwing it away (responsibly or
irresponsibly).

I'm sure tax-raising is a significant reason - call me an old cynic.

Is it a tax? Or just a required charge, the profit going to the supermarket.

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On 20 Dec 2013 11:00:26 GMT, Huge wrote:

On 2013-12-19, Peter Duncanson wrote:
On 19 Dec 2013 12:33:46 GMT, Huge wrote:

On 2013-12-19, Peter Duncanson wrote:


In Northern Ireland we have had the 5p levy on single-usecarrier bags
(paper as well as plastic) since April this year. It seems to be working
well.

Define "working well". In Eire, which has had the levy for several years,
consumption of bags has risen, not fallen.

In terms of single-use bags

That's the point. People used to use their supermarket carriers to line
bins, pick up dog-**** and so on. Now they have to buy a bag to do that. As
a result *overall* consumption of bags has risen.

My overall consumption of bags has not risen since the levy was
introduced here. It has dropped noticeably.

I used "single-use" carrier bags as bin liners and for cat litter but I
still had many left over. I saved the extra ones and got rid of them in
the plastic bag recycling bin at the local Sainsbury's.[1]

I now buy bags to use as bin liners, etc., but I no longer have all the
extra bags to be disposed of.

[1] The irony of that is that most shoppers, most of the time, at that
Sainsbury's used Sainsbury's heavy-duty carrier bags that last for
years, so Sainsbury's was recycling single-use bags from other shops.

Hence my question; What does "working well" mean? What is the point of the
levy? To reduce overall consumption of bags? (Fail.)

Success - here, so far.

To reduce littering?
(Success, I believe.) To raise tax revenue? (Don't know.)

http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/baglevy

Where does the money go?

The money raised will be used to help communities, charities,
businesses, schools and voluntary organisations to deliver local
projects to improve the environment for everyone.

£1m in receipts from the levy will be used to enhance the NGO
Challenge Fund 2014.

Challenge Fund 2014:
http://www.northernireland.gov.uk/in...of-carrier.htm


--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

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Tim+ wrote:
Bill Wright wrote:
Tim+ wrote:

Bill
Oh for FFS! Do you *really* think that reusing carrier bags is responsible
for food poisoning? Really scraping the barrel now.
Tim
Having spent some time recently (of necessity) learning about food
hygiene, I'd say that the reuse of carrier bags if the contents are
inadequately individually wrapped or bagged is a severe risk. Even if
they are the daily re-use of the same bag carries risks unless the bag is
thoroughly washed after every trip.

Bill

What *could* happen in theory is a very long way removed from what happens
in practice.

Tim

If you want to take risks with your health it's up to you.

Bill

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harryagain wrote:

meat?

Meat comes pre-wrapped up from the shelf.

You must go to a very lower class shop. I never buy prepackaged meat.
The butcher cuts it to my order. This applies both at Morrisons and at
my local butchers.

Bill

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Bill Wright wrote:
Tim+ wrote:
Bill Wright wrote:
Tim+ wrote:

Bill
Oh for FFS! Do you *really* think that reusing carrier bags is responsible
for food poisoning? Really scraping the barrel now.
Tim
Having spent some time recently (of necessity) learning about food
hygiene, I'd say that the reuse of carrier bags if the contents are
inadequately individually wrapped or bagged is a severe risk. Even if
they are the daily re-use of the same bag carries risks unless the bag is
thoroughly washed after every trip.

Bill
What *could* happen in theory is a very long way removed from what happens
in practice. Tim

If you want to take risks with your health it's up to you.

Bill

If you want to carry on scare-mongering it's to you.

Tim