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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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Tim+ wrote:
Bill Wright wrote:
Tim+ wrote:

Bill
Oh for FFS! Do you *really* think that reusing carrier bags is
responsible
for food poisoning? Really scraping the barrel now.
Tim
Having spent some time recently (of necessity) learning about food
hygiene, I'd say that the reuse of carrier bags if the contents are
inadequately individually wrapped or bagged is a severe risk. Even if
they are the daily re-use of the same bag carries risks unless the bag
is
thoroughly washed after every trip.

Bill

What *could* happen in theory is a very long way removed from what
happens
in practice. Tim

If you want to take risks with your health it's up to you.


You actually think used supermarket bags are sterile?
You think washing sterilises any object?
Anything that need to be kept clean is sold in a package.

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"Peter Duncanson" wrote in message
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On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 08:34:11 -0000, "harryagain"
wrote:


"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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Peter Duncanson wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 20:52:03 +0000, Bill Wright
wrote:

Peter Duncanson wrote:

In terms of single-use bags used the figures so far released for the
first three month period the usage seems to have dropped to about 25%
of
what it was. On the basis of casual observation in the supermarket,
convenience stores and shops that I use I'd estimate the drop to be
much
greater. People are using either their own bags or multiple-use bags
sold by the retailers, or are carrying small numbers of items
unbagged.
Which is very unhygienic. I wonder what is the environmental cost of
one
attack of food poisoning.

It isn't unhygienic because bags used for health or safety reasons are
exempt from the levy.

quote
A single use carrier bag of any material and of any size is exempt from
the charging requirement if it is used solely to contain one or more of
the following unpackaged items:

* food for human or animal consumption - for example loose fruit and
vegetables and bread and other baked goods.

* loose seeds, bulbs, corms or rhizomes;

* axes, knives, and knife or razor blades; and

* goods contaminated by soil - for example vegetables or pot
plants.
endquote from:
http://www.doeni.gov.uk/guidance_on_...__ni__2013.pdf



meat?

Meat comes pre-wrapped up from the shelf.

If you buy meat that has been cut from a larger piece at the time of
purchase (in a butcher's shop or at a butcher's counter in a
supermarket, for instance) any bag that it is put into will be free.


I thought we were talking about plastic supermarket bags?
Not local butcher.

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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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harryagain wrote:

meat?

Meat comes pre-wrapped up from the shelf.

You must go to a very lower class shop. I never buy prepackaged meat. The
butcher cuts it to my order. This applies both at Morrisons and at my
local butchers.

Bill

And he just hands it over to you in a lump?
No he puts it in a (new) bag.
You don't need a grotty old one.

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"NY" wrote in message
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"Huge" wrote in message
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On 2013-12-19, Peter Duncanson wrote:
What does "working well" mean? What is the point of the
levy? To reduce overall consumption of bags? (Fail.) To reduce littering?
(Success, I believe.) To raise tax revenue? (Don't know.)

Will the fact that someone has paid 5p for a supermarket bag mean they are
more likely to throw it away in a bin rather than in a hedge-bottom after
they have finished with it? It might encourage *some* people to reuse the
bag a couple of times before throwing it away (responsibly or
irresponsibly).

I'm sure tax-raising is a significant reason - call me an old cynic.


Well if they reused it once, that would halve the number of plastic bags
needed.
Etc.

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On 20/12/2013 16:09, Huge wrote:

Although avoiding touching the door handles is sometimes difficult.


And you can almost grantee that during the routine cleaning of toilets
in any place of work, public toilets in pubs, hospitals etc. the one
item that will never be cleaned is the door handle on the exit.



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"NY" wrote in message
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"Huge" wrote in message
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On 2013-12-19, Peter Duncanson wrote:
What does "working well" mean? What is the point of the
levy? To reduce overall consumption of bags? (Fail.) To reduce littering?
(Success, I believe.) To raise tax revenue? (Don't know.)

Will the fact that someone has paid 5p for a supermarket bag mean they are
more likely to throw it away in a bin rather than in a hedge-bottom after
they have finished with it? It might encourage *some* people to reuse the
bag a couple of times before throwing it away (responsibly or
irresponsibly).

I'm sure tax-raising is a significant reason - call me an old cynic.

I just love these "voluntary" taxes that are easily avoided.
Such as parking tickets.
Speeding tickets.
Car park charges.
Lottery tickets.
Etc.
Someone else pays them and not me.

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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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tim...... wrote:

hence there is later only one bag billowing across the park where there
used to be three

We don't have a problem with supermarket bags. The big problem here is the
rubbish from fast food. People just throw it out of the car window. Why
not do something about that?

Bill

Yes that needs fixing too.
Big problem outside my house.
I pick them up, the council doesn't.

I recommend gelding for the perps.

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On 20/12/2013 14:55, Bill Wright wrote:
tim...... wrote:

so do I, but it still comes wrapped up in compulsory plastic trays

The Plastic Tray (Compulsory Use for Meat) Act does not apply to
Yorkshire. Here the butcher gets a big chunk of meat on his block and
the customer indicates where he should wield his chopper. The portion of
meat is then put into a bag.



Yep, there is one of those around where I live. All fresh meat and offal
is put on the same wooden chopping board without any cleaning as you go
during the day. The butcher will then go on to serve someone else with
sliced cooked ham or cut cheese without washing hands in between.


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On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 17:49:16 +0000, harryagain wrote:

We don't have a problem with supermarket bags. The big problem here is
the rubbish from fast food. People just throw it out of the car window.
Why not do something about that?

Yes that needs fixing too.
Big problem outside my house.

Not here. But, then, the nearest McDogbits is about 20 miles away.

I think it's something to do with a very high statistical correlation
between the kind of person who eats there and the kind of person who lobs
litter.

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On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 17:53:07 +0000, alan wrote:

Yep, there is one of those around where I live. All fresh meat and offal
is put on the same wooden chopping board without any cleaning as you go
during the day.

The offal in question will, of course, be perfectly fit for human
consumption - else it wouldn't be in that part of his shop in the first
place.

The butcher will then go on to serve someone else with sliced cooked
ham or cut cheese without washing hands in between.

If he really did do that, then environmental health would close him down
quicker than a ton of bricks could land on his head.