Scottish TV at the expense of the English and Welsh
 

I Scotland becomes a separate country how will we stop them from
benefiting from free satellite TV paid for by the English and Welsh?


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On 27/11/2013 16:44, Michael Chare wrote:
I Scotland becomes a separate country how will we stop them from
benefiting from free satellite TV paid for by the English and Welsh?


In the same way you stop Ireland and France probably, i.e. by
continually broadcasting programs like X-Factor and Strictly.

Z

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In article ,
Michael Chare [email protected] wrote:

I Scotland becomes a separate country how will we stop them from
benefiting from free satellite TV paid for by the English and Welsh?

I thought the stereotype was that it was the Scottish who were mean.

-- Richard

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On 27/11/2013 16:44, Michael Chare wrote:
I Scotland becomes a separate country how will we stop them from
benefiting from free satellite TV paid for by the English and Welsh?

The problems and anomalies surrounding TV in the proposed separation of
Scotland from the UK are a relatively minor microcosm of the enormity
of the task to create its own stand alone national infrastructure.

Mr S, hasn't even begun to think it through properly, and I'll be amazed
and astounded if it happens on anything like the scale envisaged

[He says immortalising his comments forever via Google Groups]


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On Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:44:56 +0000, Michael Chare
[email protected] wrote:

I Scotland becomes a separate country how will we stop them from
benefiting from free satellite TV paid for by the English and Welsh?

The Northern Irish will also be paying along with the English and Welsh.

Anyway, how could the Scots prevent the rest of us from watching any
free satellite TV they start to provide?


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"Mark Carver" wrote in message
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On 27/11/2013 16:44, Michael Chare wrote:
I Scotland becomes a separate country how will we stop them from
benefiting from free satellite TV paid for by the English and Welsh?

The problems and anomalies surrounding TV in the proposed separation of
Scotland from the UK are a relatively minor microcosm of the enormity
of the task to create its own stand alone national infrastructure.

Mr S, hasn't even begun to think it through properly,

Neither had the slovaks.

and I'll be amazed and astounded if it happens on anything like the scale
envisaged

and they managed to sort it all out

tim

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tim...... wrote:

"Mark Carver" wrote in message
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On 27/11/2013 16:44, Michael Chare wrote:
I Scotland becomes a separate country how will we stop them from
benefiting from free satellite TV paid for by the English and Welsh?

The problems and anomalies surrounding TV in the proposed separation of
Scotland from the UK are a relatively minor microcosm of the enormity
of the task to create its own stand alone national infrastructure.

Mr S, hasn't even begun to think it through properly,

Neither had the slovaks.

but they spoke a different language from the Czechs.

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On 27/11/2013 18:23, Peter Duncanson wrote:

Anyway, how could the Scots prevent the rest of us from watching any
free satellite TV they start to provide?

Copy the Irish and use a spot beam.



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In message , Michael
Chare writes
On 27/11/2013 18:23, Peter Duncanson wrote:

Anyway, how could the Scots prevent the rest of us from watching any
free satellite TV they start to provide?

Copy the Irish and use a spot beam.

Phasers on stun?



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On 28/11/2013 09:04, Martin wrote:
On Wed, 27 Nov 2013 23:53:01 +0000, Michael Chare
[email protected] wrote:

On 27/11/2013 18:23, Peter Duncanson wrote:

Anyway, how could the Scots prevent the rest of us from watching any
free satellite TV they start to provide?

Copy the Irish and use a spot beam.

The Freesat spot beam can be received in Nice with a 60cm dish.

Yes, but the Irish are not using 28E for their Saorsat service

Ka band with very tight beams, and interference limited by other spots.

http://www.techtir.ie/saortv/saorsat-coverage



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On 28/11/2013 09:32, Martin wrote:
On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 09:23:33 +0000, Mark Carver
wrote:

On 28/11/2013 09:04, Martin wrote:
On Wed, 27 Nov 2013 23:53:01 +0000, Michael Chare
[email protected] wrote:

On 27/11/2013 18:23, Peter Duncanson wrote:

Anyway, how could the Scots prevent the rest of us from watching any
free satellite TV they start to provide?

Copy the Irish and use a spot beam.

The Freesat spot beam can be received in Nice with a 60cm dish.

Yes, but the Irish are not using 28E for their Saorsat service

The Freesat spot beam was supposed to limit the areas outside UK where UK TV can
be received.
http://www.astra2d.com/astra2.html

Yes, but as I say, the Ka band satellite uses interference limiting, so
using a larger dish, won't necessarily help. Have a proper read of the
article I've linked.

--
Mark
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In article ,
Michael Chare [email protected] wrote:

Copy the Irish and use a spot beam.

What technology would allow them to broadcast reliably to
Berwick-on-Tweed while preventing anyone in Edinburgh and Glasgow
watching?

-- Richard

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Richard Tobin wrote:
In article ,
Michael Chare [email protected] wrote:

Copy the Irish and use a spot beam.

What technology would allow them to broadcast reliably to
Berwick-on-Tweed while preventing anyone in Edinburgh and Glasgow
watching?

-- Richard

Dumfries and Carlisle?

Bill

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"charles" wrote in message
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In article ,
tim...... wrote:

"Mark Carver" wrote in message
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On 27/11/2013 16:44, Michael Chare wrote:
I Scotland becomes a separate country how will we stop them from
benefiting from free satellite TV paid for by the English and Welsh?

The problems and anomalies surrounding TV in the proposed separation of
Scotland from the UK are a relatively minor microcosm of the enormity
of the task to create its own stand alone national infrastructure.

Mr S, hasn't even begun to think it through properly,

Neither had the slovaks.

but they spoke a different language from the Czechs.

what that got to do with it

(the myriad of other things, not the TV)



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"Martin" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 11:41:59 +0000, wrote:

On Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:44:56 +0000, Michael Chare
[email protected] wrote:

I Scotland becomes a separate country how will we stop them from
benefiting from free satellite TV paid for by the English and Welsh?

Why would the English and Welsh want to? It would be a minor item on
the list of things to be sorted out, and in reality a separated
Scotland if it set up a SBC would be showing much the same stuff
anyway with some home produced material. If that is made so dire that
the target audience needs to look south then it would be a failure
that a future Scottish government may have to subsidize production of
better programming to keep up national pride.
My personal hope is that they could take Julia "I've got to appear on
your telly every time you turn it on" bloody Bradbury, stick her on a
walk in the highlands where she gets lost and because the Scots won't
be able to afford an airforce is never found or seen again.

She's from Sheffield. What has Scotland done to deserve her.

BBC Scotland has the best gardening programme on BBC TV. Perhaps because
it is
celeb free.

BBC Gardening progs were celeb free when they started

tim

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On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 13:48:18 +0100, Martin wrote:

On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 12:29:30 +0000, wrote:

On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 13:11:14 +0100, Martin wrote:

On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 11:41:59 +0000, wrote:


My personal hope is that they could take Julia "I've got to appear on
your telly every time you turn it on" bloody Bradbury, stick her on a
walk in the highlands where she gets lost and because the Scots won't
be able to afford an airforce is never found or seen again.

She's from Sheffield. What has Scotland done to deserve her.

Revenge weapon for the White Heather club.

Euugggh!


BBC Scotland has the best gardening programme on BBC TV. Perhaps because it is
celeb free.

Indeed, and like many we were worried it would get ruined when it went
got transmitted nationally *.

Ditto Rab C Nesbitt.

We shall see what the future brings.

* Which now many things can be watched/listened by various means well
out of the initial target area is becoming harder to pin down.

Beechgrove works for us, but it lacks the mind numbing soporific qualities of
Monty Don.

It was fine as it was, but now it has been networked they found it
necessary to push a 'gardening celeb' into it - C.Beardshaw.

Scottish TV at the expense of the English and Welsh
 

On 28/11/2013 11:41, wrote:
On Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:44:56 +0000, Michael Chare
[email protected] wrote:

I Scotland becomes a separate country how will we stop them from
benefiting from free satellite TV paid for by the English and Welsh?

Why would the English and Welsh want to?

Rights holders might not be willing to reduce their prices without a
reduction audience size.

If the BBC's income reduces they will have to make economies with the
inevitable impact on programme quality.


--
Michael Chare

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In message , Martin
writes
On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 10:24:57 +0000 (UTC), (Richard
Tobin) wrote:

In article ,
Michael Chare [email protected] wrote:

Copy the Irish and use a spot beam.

What technology would allow them to broadcast reliably to
Berwick-on-Tweed while preventing anyone in Edinburgh and Glasgow
watching?

Annexing Berwick-on-Tweed would be easier.

They've already got form for doing that - several times.
--
Ian

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In article ,
Michael Chare [email protected] wrote:

Why would the English and Welsh want to?

Rights holders might not be willing to reduce their prices without a
reduction audience size.

They're not going to be very bothered about 5 million Scots compared
with 58 million non-Scots.

The problem would be the other way round: a Scottish satellite
broadcaster would have trouble buying programs at a reasonable price
if the rest of the UK could watch them.

-- Richard

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In article ,
wrote:
On Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:44:56 +0000, Michael Chare
[email protected] wrote:

I Scotland becomes a separate country how will we stop them from
benefiting from free satellite TV paid for by the English and Welsh?

Why would the English and Welsh want to? It would be a minor item on
the list of things to be sorted out, and in reality a separated Scotland
if it set up a SBC would be showing much the same stuff anyway with some
home produced material.

Would it? How can anyone know given that - as with many of the other SNP
claims - what happens would depend on them getting *agreements* with others
who may not choose to do as the SNP hope.

A couple of BBC R4 progs in the last week have had BBC spokesbods refusing
to say what ideas or plans they'd have WRT Scotland in case it became
'independent'. The idea being that any details might influence the
political process.

The snag with that is *failing* to say what it might mean for people being
able to still get what they get now *also* will influence decisions. If,
like myself, someone is concerned to be able to go on getting full access
to the BBC then any doubt erodes being willing to vote 'yes', and pushes
people toward voting 'no'.

So in this case the BBC refusing to make its position clear applies some
influence just as much as if they spoke up. By default, an encouragement to
people to vote 'no' if they want BBC output for more than just the most
popular things.

Slainte,

Jim

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On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 14:22:53 +0000, wrote:

On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 13:40:19 +0000, Michael Chare
[email protected] wrote:

On 28/11/2013 11:41, wrote:
On Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:44:56 +0000, Michael Chare
[email protected] wrote:

I Scotland becomes a separate country how will we stop them from
benefiting from free satellite TV paid for by the English and Welsh?

Why would the English and Welsh want to?

Rights holders might not be willing to reduce their prices without a
reduction audience size.

If the BBC's income reduces they will have to make economies with the
inevitable impact on programme quality.

As a fairly sparsely populated country outside the large cities I
wonder if not having to cover large areas of it terrestrially and
paying contractors to do so it may a be financial benefit. Much like a
lot of the rail network was cut out fifty years ago.
About £8 million on BBC Alba for a start.
The BBC could continue as is with some media PR deciding the British
now means the same as in British Isles as a geographical description
of area served rather than a broadcaster associated with one state.
My concern as an Englisman is that if Scotland does go down the
independent route then England and Wales does not have to continue
contributing to things like broadcasting in Scotland.
We have only recently persuaded the Irish to start paying for thier
own Lighthouses, I don't want any politician letting any nonsense like
that go by without a very good reason.

G.Harman

Wikipedia outlines the financing of Irish lighthouses. The money comes
partly from the Irish government and partly from UK funds. Money comes
from dues levied on the ships.

As this says:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commiss...f_irish_lights

It is funded by ships that use the seas around Ireland pooled with
dues raised by the United Kingdom. This recognises that a large
volume of shipping, typically transatlantic, relies on the lights
provided by the CIL but never puts in to its ports.
....
The services provided by the Commissioners are financed from the
General Lighthouse Fund. The income of the General Lighthouse Fund
is mainly derived from light dues charged on commercial shipping at
ports in Ireland and the United Kingdom, (i.e. user pays)
supplemented by an annual contribution from the Irish Government
towards the cost of the service provided by the Commissioners in the
Republic of Ireland.[4]

The General Lighthouse Fund is administered by the UK Department for
Transport. It also finances:

Trinity House Lighthouse Service – the General Lighthouse
Authority for England, Wales and the Channel Islands;
Northern Lighthouse Board – the General Lighthouse Authority for
Scotland and the Isle of Man.

The accounts of the Commissioners of Irish Lights are consolidated
with those of Trinity House Lighthouse Service and the Northern
Lighthouse Board to form part of the General Lighthouse Fund annual
accounts which are published in London by HMSO.

Some similar arrangement would be needed if Scotland becomes independent
because of the substantial volume of shipping passing to and from
Liverpool through the North Channel between Northern Ireland and
Scotland.




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In message , Michael
Chare writes
I Scotland becomes a separate country how will we stop them from
benefiting from free satellite TV paid for by the English and Welsh?


I don't think that commercial interests would allow that.
--
Ian

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In message , tim......
writes

"Martin" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 11:41:59 +0000, wrote:

On Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:44:56 +0000, Michael Chare
[email protected] wrote:

I Scotland becomes a separate country how will we stop them from
benefiting from free satellite TV paid for by the English and Welsh?

Why would the English and Welsh want to? It would be a minor item on
the list of things to be sorted out, and in reality a separated
Scotland if it set up a SBC would be showing much the same stuff
anyway with some home produced material. If that is made so dire that
the target audience needs to look south then it would be a failure
that a future Scottish government may have to subsidize production of
better programming to keep up national pride.
My personal hope is that they could take Julia "I've got to appear on
your telly every time you turn it on" bloody Bradbury, stick her on a
walk in the highlands where she gets lost and because the Scots won't
be able to afford an airforce is never found or seen again.

She's from Sheffield. What has Scotland done to deserve her.

BBC Scotland has the best gardening programme on BBC TV. Perhaps
because it is
celeb free.

BBC Gardening progs were celeb free when they started

tim

But by the 3rd week they are celebs.
--
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On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 14:34:14 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf
wrote:

In article ,
wrote:
On Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:44:56 +0000, Michael Chare
[email protected] wrote:

I Scotland becomes a separate country how will we stop them from
benefiting from free satellite TV paid for by the English and Welsh?

Why would the English and Welsh want to? It would be a minor item on
the list of things to be sorted out, and in reality a separated Scotland
if it set up a SBC would be showing much the same stuff anyway with some
home produced material.

Would it? How can anyone know given that - as with many of the other SNP
claims - what happens would depend on them getting *agreements* with others
who may not choose to do as the SNP hope.

A couple of BBC R4 progs in the last week have had BBC spokesbods refusing
to say what ideas or plans they'd have WRT Scotland in case it became
'independent'. The idea being that any details might influence the
political process.

Surely any relationship the BBC would have with an independent Scotland
would be a matter for Parliament. The BBC Charter would have to be
amended to fit the new situation. The BBC bigwigs might be able to make
suggestions but they wouldn't have the power to make decisions.

--
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(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

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On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 16:20:11 +0000, Ian wrote:

In message , Michael
Chare writes
I Scotland becomes a separate country how will we stop them from
benefiting from free satellite TV paid for by the English and Welsh?


I don't think that commercial interests would allow that.

That might be so, but how could this be implemented technically?


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(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

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"Ian" wrote in message
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In message , tim......
writes

"Martin" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 11:41:59 +0000, wrote:

On Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:44:56 +0000, Michael Chare
[email protected] wrote:

I Scotland becomes a separate country how will we stop them from
benefiting from free satellite TV paid for by the English and Welsh?

Why would the English and Welsh want to? It would be a minor item on
the list of things to be sorted out, and in reality a separated
Scotland if it set up a SBC would be showing much the same stuff
anyway with some home produced material. If that is made so dire that
the target audience needs to look south then it would be a failure
that a future Scottish government may have to subsidize production of
better programming to keep up national pride.
My personal hope is that they could take Julia "I've got to appear on
your telly every time you turn it on" bloody Bradbury, stick her on a
walk in the highlands where she gets lost and because the Scots won't
be able to afford an airforce is never found or seen again.

She's from Sheffield. What has Scotland done to deserve her.

BBC Scotland has the best gardening programme on BBC TV. Perhaps because
it is
celeb free.

BBC Gardening progs were celeb free when they started

tim

But by the 3rd week they are celebs.

so why is it that the same doen't happen to Scottish presenters?

tim


--
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"Ian Jackson" wrote in message
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In message , Martin
writes
On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 10:24:57 +0000 (UTC), (Richard
Tobin) wrote:

In article ,
Michael Chare [email protected] wrote:

Copy the Irish and use a spot beam.

What technology would allow them to broadcast reliably to
Berwick-on-Tweed while preventing anyone in Edinburgh and Glasgow
watching?

Annexing Berwick-on-Tweed would be easier.

They've already got form for doing that - several times.

so we must therefore have form for snatching it back - several times

tim
--
Ian

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In article ,
Jim Lesurf wrote:

The snag with that is *failing* to say what it might mean for people being
able to still get what they get now *also* will influence decisions.

I don't think that's the real snag. People's decisions *should* be
influenced by what the BBC's plans are. Or rather, people should be
able to take the BBC's plans into account along with all the other
consequences of independence.

-- Richard

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In article , Peter Duncanson
wrote:
On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 14:34:14 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf
wrote:

In article ,
wrote:
On Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:44:56 +0000, Michael Chare
[email protected] wrote:

I Scotland becomes a separate country how will we stop them from
benefiting from free satellite TV paid for by the English and Welsh?

Why would the English and Welsh want to? It would be a minor item
on the list of things to be sorted out, and in reality a separated
Scotland if it set up a SBC would be showing much the same stuff
anyway with some home produced material.

Would it? How can anyone know given that - as with many of the other
SNP claims - what happens would depend on them getting *agreements*
with others who may not choose to do as the SNP hope.

A couple of BBC R4 progs in the last week have had BBC spokesbods
refusing to say what ideas or plans they'd have WRT Scotland in case it
became 'independent'. The idea being that any details might influence
the political process.

Surely any relationship the BBC would have with an independent Scotland
would be a matter for Parliament. The BBC Charter would have to be
amended to fit the new situation. The BBC bigwigs might be able to make
suggestions but they wouldn't have the power to make decisions.

Indeed. If Scotland became 'independent' then it would be for the
Westminster mob who decided what could be agreed WRT the 'BBC'. However
I'm quite sure those running the BBC *do* have views on what they'd like
and what may be practical. I'm also sure that would at least be considered
by Westminster.

e.g. regardless of what a Scots and a Westminster parliament might agree
wrt terrestrial broadcasting, the BBC might feel it was worth their while
to allow those in Scotland to pay a fee to get the same access over the net
as that provided for the non-Scots areas. They may decide this was a good
payer since they'd already have their systems in place, and would be for
others in Scotland to ensure the 'local' net could handle it on a
commercial basis. Conversely, the BBC might feel this wasn't something they
wanted to do.

Without knowing what those involved would be willing to do, or those doing
the work regard as practical or sensible *within* the BBC, how can anyone
else decide what they'd be voting *for* if they chose 'yes'?

Slainte,

Jim

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In article , Richard Tobin
wrote:
In article , Jim Lesurf
wrote:

The snag with that is *failing* to say what it might mean for people
being able to still get what they get now *also* will influence
decisions.

I don't think that's the real snag. People's decisions *should* be
influenced by what the BBC's plans are. Or rather, people should be
able to take the BBC's plans into account along with all the other
consequences of independence.

I agree. The problem is that we can't take it into account if they refuse
to say what plans they would propose in the event of a 'yes'. We are left
to suspect that we'd lose the access we might want. Which inclines to a
'no'.

Jim

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In article ,
wrote:
On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 14:34:14 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf
wrote:


Would it? How can anyone know given that - as with many of the other
SNP claims - what happens would depend on them getting *agreements*
with others who may not choose to do as the SNP hope.

Well no one does yet, Note I said a possible SBC would be showing much
the same stuff, Not that it would showing much the same stuff produced
from the BBC. Practically though the audience isn't going to suddenly
want to watch entirely home produced stuff unless a future SBC can
afford to produce a lot of quality programming to fill schedules which
would seem unlikely. So they would buy in material some of which could
be from the broadcasters still serving England or in cases like a US
show on the BBC at the moment come to their own arrangements .

For me a personal litmus test would be The Proms. Would those in Scotland
get much the same BBC4/R3 (iplayer as well as DTTV) coverage as previously
within the UK? I think this examples the kinds of material which aren't in
the "Coronation St" category so would whizz by polticians. But which may
matter to a minority, and represent an important part of the BBC's role.

Note also that there are various programs which each are very welcome to a
different minority group of those with a special interest in a topic/area.
Sky at Night. etc...

So the real point here is partly the range of the BBC content, and being
able to access *whatever* part represents something of special interest to
each individual. Many minorities may end up being more people than a
mass-market 'majority' preference for a single item.

WRT The Proms the precident isn't good. In the last few years we're had a
'Tartan' version from Dundee *replacing* the 1st half of the 'Last Night'
on DTTV. Simply not the same thing. Fine in itself, but not the same thing.
Alas, it seems a bit of a me-too-ism by people at BBC Scotland eager to
make a political or elbow-sharpening gesture. "Gizza Job. I can do that!"

Fine to have concerts, documentaries, etc, from Scotland. But they aren't
always a *replacement*, but something different.

Maybe I'd be more confident if BBC Scotland could managed to even stop
starting news packages with the audio *not* emerging from one channel only
for some seconds before it comes from both. Let alone realised that an
enjoyable concert from Dundee is welcome, but it is *not* the Last Night of
The Proms. The Proms are actually now a series of events seen around the
world. Poking the word "Scottish" into the title doesn't magically convert
one into the other!

Despite that BBC Scotland do make some superb programs. e.g. some on topics
like geology and science I've seen.

I'm also wary of the SNP being historically hostile to the BBC, so may be
willing or eager to see it minimised in Scotland and replaced by something
rather different.

Jim

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Ian Jackson wrote:

Annexing Berwick-on-Tweed would be easier.

They've already got form for doing that - several times.

Taunton is a part of Minehead...

Bill

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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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Ian Jackson wrote:

Annexing Berwick-on-Tweed would be easier.

They've already got form for doing that - several times.

Taunton is a part of Minehead...

Bill



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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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Ian Jackson wrote:

Annexing Berwick-on-Tweed would be easier.

They've already got form for doing that - several times.

Taunton is a part of Minehead...

Bill



Que?

Donde?
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Ian

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Woody wrote:
"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
Ian Jackson wrote:

Annexing Berwick-on-Tweed would be easier.
They've already got form for doing that - several times.
Taunton is a part of Minehead...

Bill



Que?

I say, very clever! Worthy of Round Britain Quiz! Monty Python, John
Cleese, Fawlty Towers, Manuel! Well done.

Bill

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"Martin" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 13:40:19 +0000, Michael Chare
[email protected] wrote:

On 28/11/2013 11:41, wrote:
On Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:44:56 +0000, Michael Chare
[email protected] wrote:

I Scotland becomes a separate country how will we stop them from
benefiting from free satellite TV paid for by the English and Welsh?

Why would the English and Welsh want to?

Rights holders might not be willing to reduce their prices without a
reduction audience size.

If the BBC's income reduces they will have to make economies with the
inevitable impact on programme quality.

Even more repeats? What percentage of the BBC's budget is spent on new
programmes?

That's not a very sensible metric though is it

A sizable percentage of the BBC budget disappears into things which are
nothing to do with program making

And what counts as a repeat?:

Is showing a program later in the week at 2am in the "sign zone" a repeat?
ISTM that's a useful service

and what's wrong with them repeating things like Boys from the black stuff
and I Claudius. The current generation will have had no chance to see the
original broadcasts.

tim

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In article ,
Jim Lesurf wrote:
e.g. regardless of what a Scots and a Westminster parliament might agree
wrt terrestrial broadcasting, the BBC might feel it was worth their
while to allow those in Scotland to pay a fee to get the same access
over the net as that provided for the non-Scots areas. They may decide
this was a good payer since they'd already have their systems in place,
and would be for others in Scotland to ensure the 'local' net could
handle it on a commercial basis. Conversely, the BBC might feel this
wasn't something they wanted to do.

It would open a can of worms if viewers in Scotland got the choice of
paying a fee to view the BBC, but the rest of the country had a licence
fee. And I can't see an independant Scotland having a licence fee which
went to the BBC.

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In message , Peter Duncanson
writes
On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 16:20:11 +0000, Ian wrote:

In message , Michael
Chare writes
I Scotland becomes a separate country how will we stop them from
benefiting from free satellite TV paid for by the English and Welsh?


I don't think that commercial interests would allow that.

That might be so, but how could this be implemented technically?



Why not just leave it the way it is?

Those in Scotland who pay for a licence would, I'm sure, be happy to
carry on doing so, so no loss to BBC or begga, erm, advertisers.

If necessary it could be called a subscription.
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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:


It would open a can of worms if viewers in Scotland got the choice of
paying a fee to view the BBC, but the rest of the country had a licence
fee. And I can't see an independant Scotland having a licence fee which
went to the BBC.

Yes, that may be the kind of reason they are frightened to say anything.
However it might be possible if, for example, it was presented as an
'internet only subscription' with no provision for broadcast. Of course,
this might be a nightmare in other ways.

Hence my personal concern is that we'd either simply be (officially) denied
access, or get some real muddle via a system akin to now, but with the
Scots Government creaming off a fraction for a tartan TV which I suspect
would become just a political 'flag' that many wouldn't watch and get
annoyed it if prevented them seeing/hearing other progs from the BBC.

Whichever way you cut this it looks like coming down to:

1) Either we'd be allowed access to the BBC and any other broadcasts from
'down south' as now, on the fee basis as now. Or not.

2) They set up a totally separate SBC.

Apart from some 'local news' and 'tartan' stuff why anyone would then watch
(2) if they have (1), heaven knows!

Given the long-term hostility and resentment from the SNP against the BBC I
suspect they'd be quite happy for us to lose access and blame the BBC or
Westminster. Given this it seems to me a reason for people to lean to 'no'
if they have much interest in the BBC output *and* some of the non-BBC
output from 'down south'.

That said, STV is basically run on an elastic band, now. If people want to
know what 'local TV' might be like, check that out with the ITV syndicated
stuff deleted from consideration.

Jim

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In article , Ian
wrote:
In message , Peter Duncanson
writes
On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 16:20:11 +0000, Ian wrote:

In message ,
Michael Chare writes
I Scotland becomes a separate country how will we stop them from
benefiting from free satellite TV paid for by the English and Welsh?


I don't think that commercial interests would allow that.

That might be so, but how could this be implemented technically?



Why not just leave it the way it is?

Those in Scotland who pay for a licence would, I'm sure, be happy to
carry on doing so, so no loss to BBC or begga, erm, advertisers.

If necessary it could be called a subscription.

Personally I'd be quite happy with that. But it does raise questions also
about ITV and Ch4 and the principle that the fee is 'for receiving *all* TV
broadcasts'. So I suspect whichever way you did that someone would make a
fuss about it. Charging the same for some to get access to all broadcasts
as other had to pay 'just for the BBC' would annoy some. Making the
payments different would annoy others.

I can understand why the BBC want to keep shtum about this. But their
refusing to say what they'd prefer or plan still has an effect on this as
what they feel is practical and the effect on their costs, etc, will matter
when decisions may have to be made. Without that info the vote is buying a
pig in a poke, despite all the claims from the SNP about what 'will' happen
- if things turn out just as they dream.

Jim

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