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Bill Wright[_2_] November 30th 13 08:36 PM

Scottish TV at the expense of the English and Welsh
 
Mark Carver wrote:

You really can't have such an important democratic decision such as
independence, influenced by a public fear they won't get to see EastEnders
and SCD ever again. It's absolutely right the BBC remain tight lipped IMHO.


The SNP make quite heavy weather of this in their various propaganda,
stressing that Eastenders etc will still be available.
But to be snarky*, it could be said that the Scottish people have every
right to consider all consequences of independence, and if the loss of
Eastenders is their primary concern, above taxation, education, defence,
and health, then fair enough.

Bill

*snarky. A southern word I learnt from Mark, and there is in yesterday's
Times!

Mark Carver November 30th 13 10:16 PM

Scottish TV at the expense of the English and Welsh
 
lid wrote:
On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 18:47:22 +0000, Mark Carver


You really can't have such an important democratic decision such as
independence, influenced by a public fear they won't get to see EastEnders
and SCD ever again. It's absolutely right the BBC remain tight lipped IMHO.

Are you speaking tongue in cheek? Surely the voters have every right
to know ALL the implications of their choice.


Yes they do, but if the matter of which TV programmes it will still be
possible to view post separation distorts the choice is that a good thing ?

It's democracy in play I agree, but clouded with the emotion of trivial
matters, The very fact EE and SCD were mentioned by name in the SNP's document
could be interpreted as emotional manipulation. However, it is a frequently
used political tool.


BTW SCD: Strictly Come Dancing



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Java Jive[_3_] November 30th 13 10:19 PM

Scottish TV at the expense of the English and Welsh
 
Benefit?

Surely that's a just a matter of opinion?

On Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:44:56 +0000, Michael Chare
[email protected] wrote:

I Scotland becomes a separate country how will we stop them from
benefiting from free satellite TV paid for by the English and Welsh?

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Java Jive[_3_] November 30th 13 10:26 PM

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At least she's better looking and sounding than the previous rambling
front woman Janet Street-Porter - now there's a truly ghastly woman,
both to look at and to listen to.

On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 11:41:59 +0000, wrote:

On Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:44:56 +0000, Michael Chare
[email protected] wrote:

My personal hope is that they could take Julia "I've got to appear on
your telly every time you turn it on" bloody Bradbury, stick her on a
walk in the highlands where she gets lost and because the Scots won't
be able to afford an airforce is never found or seen again.

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Richard Tobin November 30th 13 11:24 PM

Scottish TV at the expense of the English and Welsh
 
In article ,
Mark Carver wrote:

Yes they do, but if the matter of which TV programmes it will still be
possible to view post separation distorts the choice is that a good thing ?


Who are you, or the BBC, to decide which information will distort
our views? Or which views are distorted?

-- Richard

[email protected] November 30th 13 11:26 PM

Scottish TV at the expense of the English and Welsh
 
On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 21:16:34 +0000, Mark Carver
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 18:47:22 +0000, Mark Carver


You really can't have such an important democratic decision such as
independence, influenced by a public fear they won't get to see EastEnders
and SCD ever again. It's absolutely right the BBC remain tight lipped IMHO.

Are you speaking tongue in cheek? Surely the voters have every right
to know ALL the implications of their choice.


Yes they do, but if the matter of which TV programmes it will still be
possible to view post separation distorts the choice is that a good thing ?

It's democracy in play I agree, but clouded with the emotion of trivial
matters, The very fact EE and SCD were mentioned by name in the SNP's document
could be interpreted as emotional manipulation. However, it is a frequently
used political tool.

Those programmes are trivial matters to you, and to me. But who are we
to judge what is important to the voters of Scotland?
If we know better than them what is really important we might as well
call off the election and make the decision for them.

Bill Wright[_2_] December 1st 13 03:43 AM

Scottish TV at the expense of the English and Welsh
 
Richard Tobin wrote:

Who are you, or the BBC, to decide which information will distort
our views?


The BBC do it a lot, by simply not including certain items in the news.
The fact that news programmes do not actually have all that many words
in them makes it easy for broadcasters to manipulate what people see. I
could point to dozens of items the BBC news hasn't covered, items which
in my opinion they have left out because of their bias, but of course
the fact is only a tiny fraction of all news items makes it to the
screen. The 24/7 news channels are lazy. They could cover far more items
but they just cover half an hour's worth and play it over and over again.

Bill

Bill Wright[_2_] December 1st 13 03:46 AM

Scottish TV at the expense of the English and Welsh
 
lid wrote:

Those programmes are trivial matters to you, and to me. But who are we
to judge what is important to the voters of Scotland?
If we know better than them what is really important we might as well
call off the election and make the decision for them.


Here's an extract from the SNP's manifesto for independence:

1. Fried Mars bars on the NHS
2. Whisky on the NHS
3. Fags on the NHS
4. Send all the midges to England.

Bill

Graham Murray December 1st 13 09:16 AM

Scottish TV at the expense of the English and Welsh
 
Mark Carver writes:

The worry (for them) is a significant number of people in Scotland
will use the question of whether BBC programmes will still be
available or not, to
influence their voting choice.


If the population want to watch these programmes then surely it will be
up to one of the (new) Scottish TV channels to negotiate the rights with
the BBC (and other channels) to show them.

Graham Murray December 1st 13 09:24 AM

Scottish TV at the expense of the English and Welsh
 
Peter Duncanson writes:

Surely any relationship the BBC would have with an independent Scotland
would be a matter for Parliament. The BBC Charter would have to be
amended to fit the new situation. The BBC bigwigs might be able to make
suggestions but they wouldn't have the power to make decisions.


I disagree. The relationship between the BBC and an independent Scotland
should not be decided by parliament, but as a commercial/contractual
relationship between the BBC and Scottish broadcasters. If a Scottish
broadcaster wishes transmit BBC programming to viewers/listeners in
Scotland then they should negotiate the rights to do so. The BBC sells
its programming to other foreign stations, so an independent Scotland
should be treated in the same way.


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