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Scottish TV at the expense of the English and Welsh

In article ,
wrote:
On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 14:34:14 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf
wrote:

Would it? How can anyone know given that - as with many of the other
SNP claims - what happens would depend on them getting *agreements*
with others who may not choose to do as the SNP hope.

Well no one does yet, Note I said a possible SBC would be showing much
the same stuff, Not that it would showing much the same stuff produced
from the BBC. Practically though the audience isn't going to suddenly
want to watch entirely home produced stuff unless a future SBC can
afford to produce a lot of quality programming to fill schedules which
would seem unlikely. So they would buy in material some of which could
be from the broadcasters still serving England or in cases like a US
show on the BBC at the moment come to their own arrangements .

For me a personal litmus test would be The Proms. Would those in Scotland
get much the same BBC4/R3 (iplayer as well as DTTV) coverage as previously
within the UK? I think this examples the kinds of material which aren't in
the "Coronation St" category so would whizz by polticians. But which may
matter to a minority, and represent an important part of the BBC's role.

Note also that there are various programs which each are very welcome to a
different minority group of those with a special interest in a topic/area.
Sky at Night. etc...

So the real point here is partly the range of the BBC content, and being
able to access *whatever* part represents something of special interest to
each individual. Many minorities may end up being more people than a
mass-market 'majority' preference for a single item.

WRT The Proms the precident isn't good. In the last few years we're had a
'Tartan' version from Dundee *replacing* the 1st half of the 'Last Night'
on DTTV. Simply not the same thing. Fine in itself, but not the same thing.
Alas, it seems a bit of a me-too-ism by people at BBC Scotland eager to
make a political or elbow-sharpening gesture. "Gizza Job. I can do that!"

Fine to have concerts, documentaries, etc, from Scotland. But they aren't
always a *replacement*, but something different.

Maybe I'd be more confident if BBC Scotland could managed to even stop
starting news packages with the audio *not* emerging from one channel only
for some seconds before it comes from both. Let alone realised that an
enjoyable concert from Dundee is welcome, but it is *not* the Last Night of
The Proms. The Proms are actually now a series of events seen around the
world. Poking the word "Scottish" into the title doesn't magically convert
one into the other!

Despite that BBC Scotland do make some superb programs. e.g. some on topics
like geology and science I've seen.

I'm also wary of the SNP being historically hostile to the BBC, so may be
willing or eager to see it minimised in Scotland and replaced by something
rather different.

Jim

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Scottish TV at the expense of the English and Welsh

Ian Jackson wrote:

Annexing Berwick-on-Tweed would be easier.

They've already got form for doing that - several times.

Taunton is a part of Minehead...

Bill

Scottish TV at the expense of the English and Welsh

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
Ian Jackson wrote:

Annexing Berwick-on-Tweed would be easier.

They've already got form for doing that - several times.

Taunton is a part of Minehead...

Bill

Que?

Scottish TV at the expense of the English and Welsh

In message , Woody
writes
"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
Ian Jackson wrote:

Annexing Berwick-on-Tweed would be easier.

They've already got form for doing that - several times.

Taunton is a part of Minehead...

Bill

Que?

Donde?
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Ian

Scottish TV at the expense of the English and Welsh

Woody wrote:
"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
Ian Jackson wrote:

Annexing Berwick-on-Tweed would be easier.
They've already got form for doing that - several times.
Taunton is a part of Minehead...

Bill

Que?

I say, very clever! Worthy of Round Britain Quiz! Monty Python, John
Cleese, Fawlty Towers, Manuel! Well done.

Bill

Scottish TV at the expense of the English and Welsh

In article ,
Jim Lesurf wrote:
e.g. regardless of what a Scots and a Westminster parliament might agree
wrt terrestrial broadcasting, the BBC might feel it was worth their
while to allow those in Scotland to pay a fee to get the same access
over the net as that provided for the non-Scots areas. They may decide
this was a good payer since they'd already have their systems in place,
and would be for others in Scotland to ensure the 'local' net could
handle it on a commercial basis. Conversely, the BBC might feel this
wasn't something they wanted to do.

It would open a can of worms if viewers in Scotland got the choice of
paying a fee to view the BBC, but the rest of the country had a licence
fee. And I can't see an independant Scotland having a licence fee which
went to the BBC.

--
He who laughs last, thinks slowest*

Dave Plowman London SW
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Scottish TV at the expense of the English and Welsh

In message , Peter Duncanson
writes
On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 16:20:11 +0000, Ian wrote:

In message , Michael
Chare writes
I Scotland becomes a separate country how will we stop them from
benefiting from free satellite TV paid for by the English and Welsh?

I don't think that commercial interests would allow that.

That might be so, but how could this be implemented technically?

Why not just leave it the way it is?

Those in Scotland who pay for a licence would, I'm sure, be happy to
carry on doing so, so no loss to BBC or begga, erm, advertisers.

If necessary it could be called a subscription.
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Ian

Scottish TV at the expense of the English and Welsh

In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:

It would open a can of worms if viewers in Scotland got the choice of
paying a fee to view the BBC, but the rest of the country had a licence
fee. And I can't see an independant Scotland having a licence fee which
went to the BBC.

Yes, that may be the kind of reason they are frightened to say anything.
However it might be possible if, for example, it was presented as an
'internet only subscription' with no provision for broadcast. Of course,
this might be a nightmare in other ways.

Hence my personal concern is that we'd either simply be (officially) denied
access, or get some real muddle via a system akin to now, but with the
Scots Government creaming off a fraction for a tartan TV which I suspect
would become just a political 'flag' that many wouldn't watch and get
annoyed it if prevented them seeing/hearing other progs from the BBC.

Whichever way you cut this it looks like coming down to:

1) Either we'd be allowed access to the BBC and any other broadcasts from
'down south' as now, on the fee basis as now. Or not.

2) They set up a totally separate SBC.

Apart from some 'local news' and 'tartan' stuff why anyone would then watch
(2) if they have (1), heaven knows!

Given the long-term hostility and resentment from the SNP against the BBC I
suspect they'd be quite happy for us to lose access and blame the BBC or
Westminster. Given this it seems to me a reason for people to lean to 'no'
if they have much interest in the BBC output *and* some of the non-BBC
output from 'down south'.

That said, STV is basically run on an elastic band, now. If people want to
know what 'local TV' might be like, check that out with the ITV syndicated
stuff deleted from consideration.

Jim

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Scottish TV at the expense of the English and Welsh

In article , Ian
wrote:
In message , Peter Duncanson
writes
On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 16:20:11 +0000, Ian wrote:

In message ,
Michael Chare writes
I Scotland becomes a separate country how will we stop them from
benefiting from free satellite TV paid for by the English and Welsh?

I don't think that commercial interests would allow that.

That might be so, but how could this be implemented technically?

Why not just leave it the way it is?

Those in Scotland who pay for a licence would, I'm sure, be happy to
carry on doing so, so no loss to BBC or begga, erm, advertisers.

If necessary it could be called a subscription.

Personally I'd be quite happy with that. But it does raise questions also
about ITV and Ch4 and the principle that the fee is 'for receiving *all* TV
broadcasts'. So I suspect whichever way you did that someone would make a
fuss about it. Charging the same for some to get access to all broadcasts
as other had to pay 'just for the BBC' would annoy some. Making the
payments different would annoy others.

I can understand why the BBC want to keep shtum about this. But their
refusing to say what they'd prefer or plan still has an effect on this as
what they feel is practical and the effect on their costs, etc, will matter
when decisions may have to be made. Without that info the vote is buying a
pig in a poke, despite all the claims from the SNP about what 'will' happen
- if things turn out just as they dream.

Jim

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