Scottish TV at the expense of the English and Welsh
 

On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 14:22:53 +0000, wrote:

On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 13:40:19 +0000, Michael Chare
[email protected] wrote:

On 28/11/2013 11:41, wrote:
On Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:44:56 +0000, Michael Chare
[email protected] wrote:

I Scotland becomes a separate country how will we stop them from
benefiting from free satellite TV paid for by the English and Welsh?

Why would the English and Welsh want to?

Rights holders might not be willing to reduce their prices without a
reduction audience size.

If the BBC's income reduces they will have to make economies with the
inevitable impact on programme quality.

As a fairly sparsely populated country outside the large cities I
wonder if not having to cover large areas of it terrestrially and
paying contractors to do so it may a be financial benefit. Much like a
lot of the rail network was cut out fifty years ago.
About £8 million on BBC Alba for a start.
The BBC could continue as is with some media PR deciding the British
now means the same as in British Isles as a geographical description
of area served rather than a broadcaster associated with one state.
My concern as an Englisman is that if Scotland does go down the
independent route then England and Wales does not have to continue
contributing to things like broadcasting in Scotland.
We have only recently persuaded the Irish to start paying for thier
own Lighthouses, I don't want any politician letting any nonsense like
that go by without a very good reason.

G.Harman

Wikipedia outlines the financing of Irish lighthouses. The money comes
partly from the Irish government and partly from UK funds. Money comes
from dues levied on the ships.

As this says:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commiss...f_irish_lights

It is funded by ships that use the seas around Ireland pooled with
dues raised by the United Kingdom. This recognises that a large
volume of shipping, typically transatlantic, relies on the lights
provided by the CIL but never puts in to its ports.
....
The services provided by the Commissioners are financed from the
General Lighthouse Fund. The income of the General Lighthouse Fund
is mainly derived from light dues charged on commercial shipping at
ports in Ireland and the United Kingdom, (i.e. user pays)
supplemented by an annual contribution from the Irish Government
towards the cost of the service provided by the Commissioners in the
Republic of Ireland.[4]

The General Lighthouse Fund is administered by the UK Department for
Transport. It also finances:

Trinity House Lighthouse Service – the General Lighthouse
Authority for England, Wales and the Channel Islands;
Northern Lighthouse Board – the General Lighthouse Authority for
Scotland and the Isle of Man.

The accounts of the Commissioners of Irish Lights are consolidated
with those of Trinity House Lighthouse Service and the Northern
Lighthouse Board to form part of the General Lighthouse Fund annual
accounts which are published in London by HMSO.

Some similar arrangement would be needed if Scotland becomes independent
because of the substantial volume of shipping passing to and from
Liverpool through the North Channel between Northern Ireland and
Scotland.




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Scottish TV at the expense of the English and Welsh
 

In message , Michael
Chare writes
I Scotland becomes a separate country how will we stop them from
benefiting from free satellite TV paid for by the English and Welsh?


I don't think that commercial interests would allow that.
--
Ian

Scottish TV at the expense of the English and Welsh
 

In message , tim......
writes

"Martin" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 11:41:59 +0000, wrote:

On Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:44:56 +0000, Michael Chare
[email protected] wrote:

I Scotland becomes a separate country how will we stop them from
benefiting from free satellite TV paid for by the English and Welsh?

Why would the English and Welsh want to? It would be a minor item on
the list of things to be sorted out, and in reality a separated
Scotland if it set up a SBC would be showing much the same stuff
anyway with some home produced material. If that is made so dire that
the target audience needs to look south then it would be a failure
that a future Scottish government may have to subsidize production of
better programming to keep up national pride.
My personal hope is that they could take Julia "I've got to appear on
your telly every time you turn it on" bloody Bradbury, stick her on a
walk in the highlands where she gets lost and because the Scots won't
be able to afford an airforce is never found or seen again.

She's from Sheffield. What has Scotland done to deserve her.

BBC Scotland has the best gardening programme on BBC TV. Perhaps
because it is
celeb free.

BBC Gardening progs were celeb free when they started

tim

But by the 3rd week they are celebs.
--
Ian

Scottish TV at the expense of the English and Welsh
 

On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 14:34:14 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf
wrote:

In article ,
wrote:
On Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:44:56 +0000, Michael Chare
[email protected] wrote:

I Scotland becomes a separate country how will we stop them from
benefiting from free satellite TV paid for by the English and Welsh?

Why would the English and Welsh want to? It would be a minor item on
the list of things to be sorted out, and in reality a separated Scotland
if it set up a SBC would be showing much the same stuff anyway with some
home produced material.

Would it? How can anyone know given that - as with many of the other SNP
claims - what happens would depend on them getting *agreements* with others
who may not choose to do as the SNP hope.

A couple of BBC R4 progs in the last week have had BBC spokesbods refusing
to say what ideas or plans they'd have WRT Scotland in case it became
'independent'. The idea being that any details might influence the
political process.

Surely any relationship the BBC would have with an independent Scotland
would be a matter for Parliament. The BBC Charter would have to be
amended to fit the new situation. The BBC bigwigs might be able to make
suggestions but they wouldn't have the power to make decisions.

--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

Scottish TV at the expense of the English and Welsh
 

On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 16:20:11 +0000, Ian wrote:

In message , Michael
Chare writes
I Scotland becomes a separate country how will we stop them from
benefiting from free satellite TV paid for by the English and Welsh?


I don't think that commercial interests would allow that.

That might be so, but how could this be implemented technically?


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Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

Scottish TV at the expense of the English and Welsh
 

"Ian" wrote in message
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In message , tim......
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"Martin" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 11:41:59 +0000, wrote:

On Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:44:56 +0000, Michael Chare
[email protected] wrote:

I Scotland becomes a separate country how will we stop them from
benefiting from free satellite TV paid for by the English and Welsh?

Why would the English and Welsh want to? It would be a minor item on
the list of things to be sorted out, and in reality a separated
Scotland if it set up a SBC would be showing much the same stuff
anyway with some home produced material. If that is made so dire that
the target audience needs to look south then it would be a failure
that a future Scottish government may have to subsidize production of
better programming to keep up national pride.
My personal hope is that they could take Julia "I've got to appear on
your telly every time you turn it on" bloody Bradbury, stick her on a
walk in the highlands where she gets lost and because the Scots won't
be able to afford an airforce is never found or seen again.

She's from Sheffield. What has Scotland done to deserve her.

BBC Scotland has the best gardening programme on BBC TV. Perhaps because
it is
celeb free.

BBC Gardening progs were celeb free when they started

tim

But by the 3rd week they are celebs.

so why is it that the same doen't happen to Scottish presenters?

tim


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Ian

Scottish TV at the expense of the English and Welsh
 

"Ian Jackson" wrote in message
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In message , Martin
writes
On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 10:24:57 +0000 (UTC), (Richard
Tobin) wrote:

In article ,
Michael Chare [email protected] wrote:

Copy the Irish and use a spot beam.

What technology would allow them to broadcast reliably to
Berwick-on-Tweed while preventing anyone in Edinburgh and Glasgow
watching?

Annexing Berwick-on-Tweed would be easier.

They've already got form for doing that - several times.

so we must therefore have form for snatching it back - several times

tim
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Ian

Scottish TV at the expense of the English and Welsh
 

In article ,
Jim Lesurf wrote:

The snag with that is *failing* to say what it might mean for people being
able to still get what they get now *also* will influence decisions.

I don't think that's the real snag. People's decisions *should* be
influenced by what the BBC's plans are. Or rather, people should be
able to take the BBC's plans into account along with all the other
consequences of independence.

-- Richard

Scottish TV at the expense of the English and Welsh
 

In article , Peter Duncanson
wrote:
On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 14:34:14 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf
wrote:

In article ,
wrote:
On Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:44:56 +0000, Michael Chare
[email protected] wrote:

I Scotland becomes a separate country how will we stop them from
benefiting from free satellite TV paid for by the English and Welsh?

Why would the English and Welsh want to? It would be a minor item
on the list of things to be sorted out, and in reality a separated
Scotland if it set up a SBC would be showing much the same stuff
anyway with some home produced material.

Would it? How can anyone know given that - as with many of the other
SNP claims - what happens would depend on them getting *agreements*
with others who may not choose to do as the SNP hope.

A couple of BBC R4 progs in the last week have had BBC spokesbods
refusing to say what ideas or plans they'd have WRT Scotland in case it
became 'independent'. The idea being that any details might influence
the political process.

Surely any relationship the BBC would have with an independent Scotland
would be a matter for Parliament. The BBC Charter would have to be
amended to fit the new situation. The BBC bigwigs might be able to make
suggestions but they wouldn't have the power to make decisions.

Indeed. If Scotland became 'independent' then it would be for the
Westminster mob who decided what could be agreed WRT the 'BBC'. However
I'm quite sure those running the BBC *do* have views on what they'd like
and what may be practical. I'm also sure that would at least be considered
by Westminster.

e.g. regardless of what a Scots and a Westminster parliament might agree
wrt terrestrial broadcasting, the BBC might feel it was worth their while
to allow those in Scotland to pay a fee to get the same access over the net
as that provided for the non-Scots areas. They may decide this was a good
payer since they'd already have their systems in place, and would be for
others in Scotland to ensure the 'local' net could handle it on a
commercial basis. Conversely, the BBC might feel this wasn't something they
wanted to do.

Without knowing what those involved would be willing to do, or those doing
the work regard as practical or sensible *within* the BBC, how can anyone
else decide what they'd be voting *for* if they chose 'yes'?

Slainte,

Jim

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Scottish TV at the expense of the English and Welsh
 

In article , Richard Tobin
wrote:
In article , Jim Lesurf
wrote:

The snag with that is *failing* to say what it might mean for people
being able to still get what they get now *also* will influence
decisions.

I don't think that's the real snag. People's decisions *should* be
influenced by what the BBC's plans are. Or rather, people should be
able to take the BBC's plans into account along with all the other
consequences of independence.

I agree. The problem is that we can't take it into account if they refuse
to say what plans they would propose in the event of a 'yes'. We are left
to suspect that we'd lose the access we might want. Which inclines to a
'no'.

Jim

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