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Bill

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Bill


That first picture puzzles me. Surely that must be a repeater so
could it be that the top shrouded antenna is for receive and the
other two are transmitting as they are in slightly different
directions? Also if this is 2000m up why are they not fully
heated rather than just a protected dipole?



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On 11/11/2013 05:36, Bill Wright wrote:
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Bill

What's the thing at the top of the Wengeren Berenese Oberland picture
(top left)? Is it some sort of covered UHF aerial? Looking at the
damage to some of the directors on the 21(?) element UHF aerials on the
adjacent picture (Murten Canton Fribourg), maybe it's necessary!

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On 11/11/2013 05:36, Bill Wright wrote:
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Bill

I was expecting to see a spiral aerial - like a Swiss roll!

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On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 08:46:07 -0000, "Woody"
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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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Bill


That first picture puzzles me. Surely that must be a repeater so
could it be that the top shrouded antenna is for receive and the
other two are transmitting as they are in slightly different
directions? Also if this is 2000m up why are they not fully
heated rather than just a protected dipole?

I thought that was a Toblerone at the top :)

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On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 10:48:43 +0000
Roger Mills wrote:

On 11/11/2013 05:36, Bill Wright wrote:
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Bill

I was expecting to see a spiral aerial - like a Swiss roll!


I was expecting a plane, as in Swissair.

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Roger Mills wrote:
On 11/11/2013 05:36, Bill Wright wrote:
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Bill

I was expecting to see a spiral aerial - like a Swiss roll!


Yes, but the Swiss rotators work by clockwork. They have to climb on
their snowy roofs with a key every now and then.

Bill

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On 11.11.2013 10:19, Martin wrote:

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They'll do anything to get Freesat so that they can watch Downton
Abbey. :-)

Freesat reception is no problem at all in most of Switzerland. In
western parts of the country, the UK beam of Astra 2F at 28.2°E can be
picked up with 60-100 cm dish size. Most of the cable networks
distribute BBC and ITV domestic services as part of their digital
multiplexes. Since Switzerland is not a EU member, they are free to do
so. Within the EU, cable operators have to obtain approval from foreign
TV stations if they want to distribute their services - and of course
neither BBC nor ITV will grant such approvals due to copyright issues.

Since most parts of Switzerland are not located very far from a border,
TV reception of foreign station has been very common in the analogue
era. The German VHF transmitter Feldberg on ch 8 was running at 100 kW
ERP from a mountain top in the Black Forest and covered many parts of
northern Switzerland. The first picture is an example for that.

In the digital era, the spill-over of TV signals into Switzerland has
decreased, and most households receive TV via cable or via satellite,
the latter usually with two LNBs to pick up both the Swiss signals on
Hotbird 13°E and the free German signals on Astra 19.2°E. Cable
operators still use terrestrial DVB-T signals from France and Italy
(South Tyrol) as a source for the popular HD services from France and
Austria (!). So they do not need smartcards to decode satellite signals
from these countries which they probably cannot legally obtain.

Cheers - Uli

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Roger Mills wrote:
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Bill
I was expecting to see a spiral aerial - like a Swiss roll!


Yes, but the Swiss rotators work by clockwork. They have to climb on
their snowy roofs with a key every now and then.

That idea is totally cuckoo..................



Bill

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On 12.11.2013 12:02, Martin wrote:
On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 23:32:22 +0100, Ulrich Onken
wrote:

Most of the cable networks
distribute BBC and ITV domestic services as part of their digital
multiplexes. Since Switzerland is not a EU member, they are free to do
so. Within the EU, cable operators have to obtain approval from foreign
TV stations if they want to distribute their services - and of course
neither BBC nor ITV will grant such approvals due to copyright issues.

Copyright is not EU dependant.

No, it is not. But the way in which the retransmission of foreign TV
services via cable is regulated, differs.

Within the EU, it is regulated in articles 8-12 of directive 93/83/EEC
which has been implemented in the national media laws of the member states:

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/...3L0083:EN:HTML

According to article 8.1, cable retransmission is only permitted if the
copyright holder (the TV station) agrees. There is no such explicite
provision in Swiss law.

As a result, a cable operator in Germany had to stop retransmission of
Austrian (ORF) TV programs around 2007, after the ORF had objected. The
ORF has been in Swiss cable networks for decades, and decades ago, the
ORF has been unsuccessful to challenge this at a Swiss court. Similar
with BBC TV. The same cable operator did not get permission to
retransmit the BBC in Germany a number of years ago. Swiss cable
operators do not have to ask for permission if the service is
free-to-the-air and is picked up within the country. (I guess they might
pay a fee to the BBC, similar to Dutch cable operators).

Cheers,
Uli

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On 13.11.2013 16:44, Martin wrote:
On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 19:08:59 +0100, Ulrich Onken
wrote:

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According to article 8.1, cable retransmission is only permitted if the
copyright holder (the TV station) agrees. There is no such explicite
provision in Swiss law.

Switzerland is signed up to the Berne copyright convention.

Yes, it has. And of course the convention has been implemented in Swiss
law (Urheberrechtsgesetz, URG). However, neither the convention nor the
URG explicitely describe what is permitted and what is not when
retransmitting foreign TV broadcasts via cable.

In 2007, the BBC tried with a lawsuit against a Swiss cable operator
(GGA Maur) to stop retransmission of CBBC One, BBC Four and Ceebies in
parts of the canton Zurich. The BBC lost its case, both in the first
instance and at the appeal court. The court argued that the satellite
signal is free-to-the-air and can be received easily by everybody, thus
it is free for fair further use. It was undisputed that the cable
operator would have to pay fees for the retransmission.

Details of the appeal court decision (unfortunately in German):
http://www.servat.unibe.ch/dfr/bge/c3133568.html

In Switzerland, the BBC can ask for fees in compensation for cable
retransmission, but it cannot stop the retransmission by legal means. In
EU countries the legislation is more favourable for copyright holders
and broadcasters. With exception of the historic situations in Ireland,
the Netherlands and Belgium, the BBC does not grant any retransmission
rights for its domestic services to foreign cable operators.

There are at least three German websites transmitting live BBC, ITV
Sky Sport Eurosport etc that I know of. I don't believe any of them
pay a thing to the companies providing the programmes

Do BBC, ITV and Sky know of these websites? They have got their lawyers,
see the case with GGA Maur.

Cheers, Uli

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On 14.11.2013 10:05, Martin wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 20:52:28 +0100, Ulrich Onken
wrote:

In 2007, the BBC tried with a lawsuit against a Swiss cable operator
(GGA Maur) to stop retransmission of CBBC One, BBC Four and Ceebies in
parts of the canton Zurich. The BBC lost its case, both in the first
instance and at the appeal court. The court argued that the satellite
signal is free-to-the-air and can be received easily by everybody, thus
it is free for fair further use. It was undisputed that the cable
operator would have to pay fees for the retransmission.

Have they?

They have to, see section 5.6 of the appeal court ruling at
http://www.servat.unibe.ch/dfr/bge/c3133568.html. The cable operator has
the right for retransmission if he pays the copyright fees according to
a certain tariff ("GT 1").

Cheers, Uli