Humax Freetime PVR doesn't time-shift programmes???
 

SWMBO, who has main use of the Humax HDR-1010S, has complained to me
that unlike the Sky+HD box the Humax does not auto-adjust if a
programme's broadcast time alters.

Is that ability a feature from Sky or, heaven-forfend, is she mistaken?

--
Simon

12) The Second Rule of Expectations
An EXPECTATION is a Premeditated resentment.

Humax Freetime PVR doesn't time-shift programmes???
 

postmaster @ stejonda wrote:


SWMBO, who has main use of the Humax HDR-1010S, has complained to me
that unlike the Sky+HD box the Humax does not auto-adjust if a
programme's broadcast time alters.

Is that ability a feature from Sky or, heaven-forfend, is she
mistaken?

She's mistaken, although it does depend on the broadcasters sending the
right control signals. Soon someone will be along who knows much more
about the technicalities, and might be able to tell us more about the
odd occasion it goes wrong.

--
SteveT

Humax Freetime PVR doesn't time-shift programmes???
 

In message , Steve Thackery
writes
postmaster @ stejonda wrote:


SWMBO, who has main use of the Humax HDR-1010S, has complained to me
that unlike the Sky+HD box the Humax does not auto-adjust if a
programme's broadcast time alters.

Is that ability a feature from Sky or, heaven-forfend, is she
mistaken?

She's mistaken, although it does depend on the broadcasters sending the
right control signals. Soon someone will be along who knows much more
about the technicalities, and might be able to tell us more about the
odd occasion it goes wrong.

Thanks Steve.

--
Simon

12) The Second Rule of Expectations
An EXPECTATION is a Premeditated resentment.

Humax Freetime PVR doesn't time-shift programmes???
 

In article ,
"postmaster @ stejonda" writes:

SWMBO, who has main use of the Humax HDR-1010S, has
complained to me that unlike the Sky+HD box the Humax does not
auto-adjust if a programme's broadcast time alters.

Is that ability a feature from Sky or, heaven-forfend, is she mistaken?


Have you checked the box's settings? There might be one that you need to
toggle to enable the feature.
--
John Hall
"Sir, I have found you an argument;
but I am not obliged to find you an understanding."
Dr Samuel Johnson (1709-1784)

Humax Freetime PVR doesn't time-shift programmes???
 

In article ,
John Hall wrote:

In article ,
"postmaster @ stejonda" writes:

SWMBO, who has main use of the Humax HDR-1010S, has
complained to me that unlike the Sky+HD box the Humax does not
auto-adjust if a programme's broadcast time alters.

Is that ability a feature from Sky or, heaven-forfend, is she mistaken?


Have you checked the box's settings? There might be one that you need to
toggle to enable the feature.

Have you been adding padding to the record times? this option is
available in the settings, but as soon as you do that it turns off the
'accurate record'. You need to leave it at the times shown in the EPG.
I've found the Humax Freeview SD and Freesat SD boxes pretty good with
this.

Humax Freetime PVR doesn't time-shift programmes???
 

In message , Roger
Wilmut writes
In article ,
John Hall wrote:

In article ,
"postmaster @ stejonda" writes:

SWMBO, who has main use of the Humax HDR-1010S, has
complained to me that unlike the Sky+HD box the Humax does not
auto-adjust if a programme's broadcast time alters.

Is that ability a feature from Sky or, heaven-forfend, is she mistaken?


Have you checked the box's settings? There might be one that you need to
toggle to enable the feature.

Have you been adding padding to the record times? this option is
available in the settings, but as soon as you do that it turns off the
'accurate record'. You need to leave it at the times shown in the EPG.
I've found the Humax Freeview SD and Freesat SD boxes pretty good with
this.

Ahhh, thanks. I'll check out both suggestions.

--
Simon

12) The Second Rule of Expectations
An EXPECTATION is a Premeditated resentment.

Humax Freetime PVR doesn't time-shift programmes???
 

In message , Roger
Wilmut writes
In article ,
John Hall wrote:

In article ,
"postmaster @ stejonda" writes:

SWMBO, who has main use of the Humax HDR-1010S, has
complained to me that unlike the Sky+HD box the Humax does not
auto-adjust if a programme's broadcast time alters.

Is that ability a feature from Sky or, heaven-forfend, is she mistaken?


Have you checked the box's settings? There might be one that you need to
toggle to enable the feature.

Have you been adding padding to the record times? this option is
available in the settings, but as soon as you do that it turns off the
'accurate record'. You need to leave it at the times shown in the EPG.
I've found the Humax Freeview SD and Freesat SD boxes pretty good with
this.

Ok, I've checked and there is nothing to toggle the setting and nothing
to change the padding. In fact there appear to be very few view settings
to change. Is there a secret 'engineers' menu?

--
Simon

12) The Second Rule of Expectations
An EXPECTATION is a Premeditated resentment.

Humax Freetime PVR doesn't time-shift programmes???
 

In article ,
"Steve Thackery" wrote:

postmaster @ stejonda wrote:


SWMBO, who has main use of the Humax HDR-1010S, has complained to me
that unlike the Sky+HD box the Humax does not auto-adjust if a
programme's broadcast time alters.

Is that ability a feature from Sky or, heaven-forfend, is she
mistaken?

She's mistaken, although it does depend on the broadcasters sending the
right control signals. Soon someone will be along who knows much more
about the technicalities, and might be able to tell us more about the
odd occasion it goes wrong.

:-( -- nobody came along yet!

I'd be interested in an authoritative answer, as we've just acquired a
Humax (see my question re "antenna power on a Humax PVR?"

John

Humax Freetime PVR doesn't time-shift programmes???
 

On 22/07/13 20:17, Another John wrote:

:-( -- nobody came along yet!

I'd be interested in an authoritative answer, as we've just acquired a
Humax (see my question re "antenna power on a Humax PVR?"

John

Not authoritative, though I am not unacquainted with the technicalities.

The 'accurate recording' feature of PVRs is driven by the 'now and next'
data in the EPG. When Accurate Recording is enabled, the PVR starts
recording when the selected programme changes from 'next' to 'now'. For
pre-recorded programmes getting this right is hardly rocket science;
though the BBC channels generally do a very good job, ITV are so-so and
the others are a bit hit-and-miss.

Where everyone will struggle is with live programmes which are
overrunning but which could finish at any second. Sports such as tennis
and snooker are examples where in the final game every play could be the
last. In these cases the broadcaster has to manually tweak the 'now and
next' on a second-by-second basis, continually pushing the following
programme into the future until the live programme ends. If the
broadcaster fails, and the following programme becomes the 'now' event,
the PVR will start recording.

Perhaps the OP has seen the effect of an overrunning sport event which
has not been correctly handled?
--
Dave

Humax Freetime PVR doesn't time-shift programmes???
 

In message , dave
writes
On 22/07/13 20:17, Another John wrote:

:-( -- nobody came along yet!

I'd be interested in an authoritative answer, as we've just acquired a
Humax (see my question re "antenna power on a Humax PVR?"

John

Not authoritative, though I am not unacquainted with the technicalities.

The 'accurate recording' feature of PVRs is driven by the 'now and
next' data in the EPG. When Accurate Recording is enabled,

Where is this in the Humax menus? I have not been able to find it,
(perhaps I am getting too old), on the 1010S. I'm getting a 1000S today
for my use, (no need for Wi-Fi) so I'll take a look on that.

the PVR starts recording when the selected programme changes from
'next' to 'now'. For pre-recorded programmes getting this right is
hardly rocket science; though the BBC channels generally do a very good
job, ITV are so-so and the others are a bit hit-and-miss.

Where everyone will struggle is with live programmes which are
overrunning but which could finish at any second. Sports such as tennis
and snooker are examples where in the final game every play could be
the last. In these cases the broadcaster has to manually tweak the 'now
and next' on a second-by-second basis, continually pushing the
following programme into the future until the live programme ends. If
the broadcaster fails, and the following programme becomes the 'now'
event, the PVR will start recording.

Perhaps the OP has seen the effect of an overrunning sport event which
has not been correctly handled?

I'll ask when SWMBO awakes but since she's the problem more on some of
the minority channels, (eg Showcase), it's more likely that.

--
Simon

12) The Second Rule of Expectations
An EXPECTATION is a Premeditated resentment.

Humax Freetime PVR doesn't time-shift programmes???
 

In message , "postmaster @ stejonda"
writes
I'll ask when SWMBO awakes but since she's the problem

Oooops, wrote what I really think. Lol quietly.

--
Simon

12) The Second Rule of Expectations
An EXPECTATION is a Premeditated resentment.

Humax Freetime PVR doesn't time-shift programmes???
 

On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 09:08:10 +0100, "postmaster @ stejonda"
wrote:

In message , dave
writes
On 22/07/13 20:17, Another John wrote:

:-( -- nobody came along yet!

I'd be interested in an authoritative answer, as we've just acquired a
Humax (see my question re "antenna power on a Humax PVR?"

John

Not authoritative, though I am not unacquainted with the technicalities.

The 'accurate recording' feature of PVRs is driven by the 'now and
next' data in the EPG. When Accurate Recording is enabled,

Where is this in the Humax menus? I have not been able to find it,
(perhaps I am getting too old), on the 1010S. I'm getting a 1000S today
for my use, (no need for Wi-Fi) so I'll take a look on that.


By default Accurate Recording is automatically enabled for a particular
programme by setting it to be recorded by highlighting it in the EPG and
pressing OK.

However that only works if the menu options
SettingsPreferencesRecording Start Padding Time and End Padding Time
are set to Off (the default status)

Accurate Recording is not enabled if you set up a recording by using the
New Reservation dialog in the Schedule screen. With that you select the
Channel, Date, Start Time, End Time, etc. and the recording will start
and finish at those times without any automatic adjustment for the
actual time of the programme.

There is nothing displayed on the Schedule screen to say whether a
reservation is for accurate recording or not.


--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

Humax Freetime PVR doesn't time-shift programmes???
 

In message , Peter Duncanson
writes
On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 09:08:10 +0100, "postmaster @ stejonda"
wrote:
In message , dave
writes
On 22/07/13 20:17, Another John wrote:

:-( -- nobody came along yet!

I'd be interested in an authoritative answer, as we've just acquired a
Humax (see my question re "antenna power on a Humax PVR?"

John

Not authoritative, though I am not unacquainted with the technicalities.

The 'accurate recording' feature of PVRs is driven by the 'now and
next' data in the EPG. When Accurate Recording is enabled,

Where is this in the Humax menus? I have not been able to find it,
(perhaps I am getting too old), on the 1010S. I'm getting a 1000S today
for my use, (no need for Wi-Fi) so I'll take a look on that.

Aside: why did they move the Home button between the 1000 & 1010???

By default Accurate Recording is automatically enabled for a particular
programme by setting it to be recorded by highlighting it in the EPG and
pressing OK.

However that only works if the menu options
SettingsPreferencesRecording Start Padding Time and End Padding Time
are set to Off (the default status)

The only options here are a number of minutes or Auto which seems to be
the default. Both are set to Auto. Would Recording Buffer being set to
On mess with it? On is the default.

Accurate Recording is not enabled if you set up a recording by using the
New Reservation dialog in the Schedule screen. With that you select the
Channel, Date, Start Time, End Time, etc. and the recording will start
and finish at those times without any automatic adjustment for the
actual time of the programme.

We don't do that.


There is nothing displayed on the Schedule screen to say whether a
reservation is for accurate recording or not.

:-( but we can't have everything.

--
Simon

12) The Second Rule of Expectations
An EXPECTATION is a Premeditated resentment.

Humax Freetime PVR doesn't time-shift programmes???
 

On 22/07/2013 20:47, dave wrote:
On 22/07/13 20:17, Another John wrote:

:-( -- nobody came along yet!

I'd be interested in an authoritative answer, as we've just acquired a
Humax (see my question re "antenna power on a Humax PVR?"

John

Not authoritative, though I am not unacquainted with the technicalities.

The 'accurate recording' feature of PVRs is driven by the 'now and next'
data in the EPG. When Accurate Recording is enabled, the PVR starts
recording when the selected programme changes from 'next' to 'now'. For
pre-recorded programmes getting this right is hardly rocket science;
though the BBC channels generally do a very good job, ITV are so-so and
the others are a bit hit-and-miss.

Almost! My information, published in a reply on Usenet many moons ago
came virtually from the horse's mouth as it were. These words are my
interpretation. I'll try to find the "official" explanation. I don't
claim this is how it happens now. But I see no reason for it being
changed. It's probably in the ETSI spec.

There is a flag in the system, let's call it the "Running Status Flag"
or RSF for short. This effectively toggles when a programme starts.
And conversely toggles the other way when it ends. This is set by the
broadcaster. My information, at the time, was that, for example, the
BBC would toggle it at the advert - sorry programme trail - before the
start of the programme, and itv similarly at an ad or two before. This
both broadcasters insist is not just to get an advert in, but to give a
safe time period for a PVR to react. Most only check the datastream for
this RSF change every 10 seconds.

The early Humax 9200 software designers only looked for this flag
change. If it doesn't happen nor did the recording. Sony, for example,
also used the N & N programme start and end times as a fail safe. Humax
have now made their software more robust.

Richard