TV licence evasion...
 

In article ,
Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Martin
writes
On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 19:41:19 +0100, Davey
wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 19:35:11 +0100
"JohnT" wrote:


"Peter Duncanson" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 16:46:03 +0200, Martin
wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 14:30:25 +0100, Peter Duncanson
snip

Sometimes what might be intended as a purely administrative change
creates a psychological change which can have results not intended
by those who proposed the administrative change.

It works for the Dutch.

Ah but the Dutch aren't British.

Nor are the Northern Irish.


And Alex Salmond wants the Scots to not be, despite what the people
themselves want.

You won't know what the people want until after the referendum.
It's fairly clear that they don't want the Tories.

I believe they intend to allow 16 year-olds to vote in the referendum,
presumably hoping to gather support from those who still believe all the
myths about the rebellious Scottish heroes - most of whom were simply
local warlords out for personal power and gain, rather than having the
interests of Scotland at heart.

not that the various warlords (Barons) in England were any different in
their behaviour ....

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In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Care to gamble on whether there are more income tax or TV licence
evaders?

I'd bet on the former - and by a substantial margin.

Since you have no evidence all you're doing is showing that you're
prepared to believe just what suits your philosophy.

Touched a raw nerve with all those cash in hand jobs, Bill?

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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In message , charles
writes
In article ,
Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Martin
writes
On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 19:41:19 +0100, Davey
wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 19:35:11 +0100
"JohnT" wrote:


"Peter Duncanson" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 16:46:03 +0200, Martin
wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 14:30:25 +0100, Peter Duncanson
snip

Sometimes what might be intended as a purely administrative change
creates a psychological change which can have results not intended
by those who proposed the administrative change.

It works for the Dutch.

Ah but the Dutch aren't British.

Nor are the Northern Irish.


And Alex Salmond wants the Scots to not be, despite what the people
themselves want.

You won't know what the people want until after the referendum.
It's fairly clear that they don't want the Tories.

I believe they intend to allow 16 year-olds to vote in the referendum,
presumably hoping to gather support from those who still believe all the
myths about the rebellious Scottish heroes - most of whom were simply
local warlords out for personal power and gain, rather than having the
interests of Scotland at heart.

not that the various warlords (Barons) in England were any different in
their behaviour ....

Oh, quite! Essentially, they were all in it for all they could
personally get out of it - and they still are. Alex Salmond is simply an
albeit reasonably civilised 21st century war-lord, carrying on the
time-honoured tradition of "divide and rule".
--
Ian

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On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 09:48:22 +0200, Martin wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 17:36:00 +0100, Peter Duncanson
wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 18:20:10 +0200, Martin wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 16:02:54 +0100, Peter Duncanson
wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 16:46:03 +0200, Martin wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 14:30:25 +0100, Peter Duncanson
wrote:

On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 23:18:39 +0100, "Steve Terry"
wrote:

Richard Tobin wrote:
In article ,
Stephen H wrote:

The BBC could wipe this out by simply using smart card technology on
both freeview, freesat and "freesat from Sky" platforms and as a
levy on top of a regular sky card subscription.

So we'd need to buy new TVs and set-top boxes again? And all computer
TV tuners would become useless? Sounds wonderful for the
manufacturers.

Not all STBs, it could be done on the topuptv platform
I've a topuptv PVR without card i just use for freeview

It would make much for sense just to pay the BBC out of general taxation

In administrative terms perhaps.

But it might have unintended consequences.

The BBC operates under a Royal Charter for which parliament and
government are responsible, but the BBC is paid for by a compulsory
subscription from all TV viewers/households. There is therefore a clear
understanding that the services provided are for all viewers.

If there were to be a change to direct government funding there is a
real danger that governments would see the BBC as an agency of
government and start interfering more directly in its activities.

Sometimes what might be intended as a purely administrative change
creates a psychological change which can have results not intended by
those who proposed the administrative change.

It works for the Dutch.

Ah but the Dutch aren't British.

A real not invented here answer. :-)

Both countries are constitutional democratic monarchies and not third
rate banana republics run by extremist dictators, yet.

Attitudes and customs matter just as much as rules and procedures.

Are you suggesting that British politicians have an odd attitude?

Do I need to answer that? ;-)

--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

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On 6/23/2013 4:02 AM, Ian Jackson wrote:

I believe they intend to allow 16 year-olds to vote in the referendum,
presumably hoping to gather support from those who still believe all the
myths about the rebellious Scottish heroes - most of whom were simply
local warlords out for personal power and gain, rather than having the
interests of Scotland at heart.

Some poll or other recently suggested that the 16 and 17 year olds are
perhaps _less_ likely to vote for independence than are older voters.

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On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 01:32:33 +0100
Ian wrote:

In message , Davey
writes
On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 19:35:11 +0100
"JohnT" wrote:


"Peter Duncanson" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 16:46:03 +0200, Martin
wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 14:30:25 +0100, Peter Duncanson
snip

Sometimes what might be intended as a purely administrative
change creates a psychological change which can have results
not intended by those who proposed the administrative change.

It works for the Dutch.

Ah but the Dutch aren't British.

Nor are the Northern Irish.


And Alex Salmond wants the Scots to not be, despite what the people
themselves want.


You've spoken to all of them, have you?

No. I am just saying that I see more Scots proclaiming that they do
not want independence, despite Alex Salmond's proclamations, than I see
those publicly agreeing with him.
--
Davey.

TV licence evasion...
 

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Care to gamble on whether there are more income tax or TV licence
evaders?

I'd bet on the former - and by a substantial margin.

Since you have no evidence all you're doing is showing that you're
prepared to believe just what suits your philosophy.

Touched a raw nerve with all those cash in hand jobs, Bill?

Pathetic straw man attack.

Bill

TV licence evasion...
 

In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Care to gamble on whether there are more income tax or TV licence
evaders?

I'd bet on the former - and by a substantial margin.

Since you have no evidence all you're doing is showing that you're
prepared to believe just what suits your philosophy.

Touched a raw nerve with all those cash in hand jobs, Bill?

Pathetic straw man attack.

You really expect us to believe you never did any cash in hand jobs?

Whatever. Only a cretin could really think there are more in this country
who avoid paying a TV licence than avoid paying their correct taxes at all
times.

--
*Give me ambiguity or give me something else.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

TV licence evasion...
 

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Care to gamble on whether there are more income tax or TV licence
evaders?

I'd bet on the former - and by a substantial margin.

Since you have no evidence all you're doing is showing that you're
prepared to believe just what suits your philosophy.
Touched a raw nerve with all those cash in hand jobs, Bill?

Pathetic straw man attack.

You really expect us to believe you never did any cash in hand jobs?

Unable to put up an argument so you have resorted to dangerous
defamation in a public forum. You cannot substantiate your allegation,
so you were very unwise to make it.

Bill

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Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 23:18:39 +0100, "Steve Terry"
wrote:

It would make much for sense just to pay the BBC out of general
taxation

Not unless we also made them answerable in some way to the public,
i.e. us, with regard to how they spend the money we pay them.

Changing from a licence to taxation might simplify the administration
of the payment, but if all it did was to replace the BBC's guaranteed
income with a different guaranteed income equally unrelated to what
they do, we'd be no better off.
Rod.

But the courts and prisons would be without having to administer
TV licence evaders

Steve Terry
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