New TV - Samsung or Panasonic?
 

OK, the old (2010) TV died and John Lewis wrote it off of I'm in the market
for a new TV again. Looking around it seems it comes down to a new
Panasonic, Samsung or Sony so what don't know I, but should?

The models that I'm considering are Panasonic TX-L32E6B or Samsung UE32FF500
or Sony KDL32W653ABU. Any other suggestions would be welcome.

FWIW, the specs I need which got me here were...

- 32 inch
- 1080p
- Freeview HD
- 2+ HDMI
- 1+ SCART
- 1+ Component
- 1+ Optical out

that's pretty much it. Anything else is a "nice to have" but not a deal
breaker. At some point I might use catch-up TV but frankly, if I've missed
it there's rarely anything I care enough about to catch-up on.

The one possible exception, if it worked well, might be Skype, so the whole
family can sit happily in the lounge instead of squeezing into the office to
call the US relatives, but even here I'm not that excited.

So, it's picture quality, support etc that I'm interested in here -
thoughts?

New TV - Samsung or Panasonic?
 

2010 has died, really? Seems a bit recent to write off.

Brian

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"Paul D Smith" wrote in message
...
OK, the old (2010) TV died and John Lewis wrote it off of I'm in the
market for a new TV again. Looking around it seems it comes down to a new
Panasonic, Samsung or Sony so what don't know I, but should?

The models that I'm considering are Panasonic TX-L32E6B or Samsung
UE32FF500 or Sony KDL32W653ABU. Any other suggestions would be welcome.

FWIW, the specs I need which got me here were...

- 32 inch
- 1080p
- Freeview HD
- 2+ HDMI
- 1+ SCART
- 1+ Component
- 1+ Optical out

that's pretty much it. Anything else is a "nice to have" but not a deal
breaker. At some point I might use catch-up TV but frankly, if I've
missed it there's rarely anything I care enough about to catch-up on.

The one possible exception, if it worked well, might be Skype, so the
whole family can sit happily in the lounge instead of squeezing into the
office to call the US relatives, but even here I'm not that excited.

So, it's picture quality, support etc that I'm interested in here -
thoughts?

New TV - Samsung or Panasonic?
 

In article ,
Paul D Smith wrote:
FWIW, the specs I need which got me here were...

- 32 inch
- 1080p
- Freeview HD
- 2+ HDMI
- 1+ SCART
- 1+ Component
- 1+ Optical out

that's pretty much it. Anything else is a "nice to have" but not a deal
breaker. At some point I might use catch-up TV but frankly, if I've
missed it there's rarely anything I care enough about to catch-up on.

The one possible exception, if it worked well, might be Skype, so the
whole family can sit happily in the lounge instead of squeezing into
the office to call the US relatives, but even here I'm not that excited.

So, it's picture quality, support etc that I'm interested in here -
thoughts?

Nothing about sound quality which says it all, really. No wonder the set
makers get away with not bothering.

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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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"Brian Gaff" wrote in message ...

2010 has died, really? Seems a bit recent to write off.

Brian
+++++++++++
Apparently the entire LCD panel required replacing. The symptoms were that
grey areas (looking like grey, windswept snow) started to appear on the
bottom corners and bands appeared down the screen about 1/3 and 2/3 of the
way across.

These bands were almost invisible with a still screen but very visible with
a moving background such as a football pitch or following a golf ball. The
bands were also very "brush like" and no hint of straight lines i.e. clearly
a physical not a digital or electronic phenomenon.

When it was just the bands, I first thought this was dirt on the screen (but
they kept "reappearing") but when the corners appeared and were more visible
I was able to see that this was happening BEHIND the glass panel. My
suspicion is that the reflective white surface behind the LCD panel was
deteriorating, the bands being where minute bits were starting to fall off
and end up in corners.

Anyway, the cost of a totally new panel was apparently too great and the TV
was written off.

I should add that we don't smoke, the TV was treated very gently and in all
the years I've used LCDs on computer monitors, I've never seen anything like
this.

New TV - Samsung or Panasonic?
 

In article ,
Paul D Smith wrote:

The models that I'm considering are Panasonic TX-L32E6B or Samsung UE32FF500
or Sony KDL32W653ABU. Any other suggestions would be welcome.

Is that Samsung model number right? Or do you mean UE32F5000?

- 2+ HDMI

I think you might well find yourself wanting quite a lot more than
2 HDMI sockets in the future. I found myself wanting 5 recently,
though that was only because I wanted to plug a Raspberry Pi into
the TV.

-- Richard

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"Richard Tobin" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Paul D Smith wrote:

The models that I'm considering are Panasonic TX-L32E6B or Samsung
UE32FF500
or Sony KDL32W653ABU. Any other suggestions would be welcome.

Is that Samsung model number right? Or do you mean UE32F5000?

- 2+ HDMI

I think you might well find yourself wanting quite a lot more than
2 HDMI sockets in the future. I found myself wanting 5 recently,
though that was only because I wanted to plug a Raspberry Pi into
the TV.


My Samsung UE32ES5500 has three HDMI inputs and has excellent sound
considering how slim it is, IMV the 'Smart TV' feature is a must, especially
as the TVs remote works as if it was made for XBMC on the Raspberry Pi. also
apart from loads of various apps, including, ITV - 4od - Demand5 - iPlayer -
Allshare finds virtually everything wireless - from the RP, computers and
mobile phones.

New TV - Samsung or Panasonic?
 

So, it's picture quality, support etc that I'm interested in here -
thoughts?

Nothing about sound quality which says it all, really. No wonder the set
makers get away with not bothering.
++++++++++++++
The optical out is for my 7.1 surround system.

But as per my earlier thread, if I thought there was a chance of finding
some decide audio, I would take notice. The problem is that unlike buying
audio equipment, the chances of finding a "listening/watching" room to
sample the TV seems remote. I will certainly turn up, look at the picture,
try and get hold of a remote to confirm I can tweak it to my preferences but
in a busy store, odds are I won't be able to make any sensible audio
comparisons.

Paul DS.

New TV - Samsung or Panasonic?
 

On 24/04/2013 10:17, Paul D Smith wrote:
OK, the old (2010) TV died and John Lewis wrote it off
of I'm in the market for a new TV again. Looking
around it seems it comes down to a new Panasonic,
Samsung or Sony so what don't know I, but should?

The models that I'm considering are Panasonic
TX-L32E6B or Samsung UE32FF500 or Sony KDL32W653ABU.
Any other suggestions would be welcome.

FWIW, the specs I need which got me here were...

- 32 inch
- 1080p
- Freeview HD
- 2+ HDMI
- 1+ SCART
- 1+ Component
- 1+ Optical out

that's pretty much it. Anything else is a "nice to
have" but not a deal breaker. At some point I might
use catch-up TV but frankly, if I've missed it there's
rarely anything I care enough about to catch-up on.

The one possible exception, if it worked well, might
be Skype, so the whole family can sit happily in the
lounge instead of squeezing into the office to call
the US relatives, but even here I'm not that excited.

So, it's picture quality, support etc that I'm
interested in here - thoughts?

We have a Panasonic and a Samsung model - both at
least 3 years old so may not compare exactly with
current models, but I can offer some opinions. You
can check for yourself whether they're still valid.

Panasonic screens have been credited with best picture
quality in some respects - mainly for their wide
viewing angle. The Samsung colours fade more as you
move to the side. This is something you can check for
yourself in the shop. It won't matter if you sit in
front of the set, but can make a difference if your
chairs are arranged around the room.

What bugs me most about the Panasonic is its User
Interface. The company seems to have spent nothing
recently on development and I think even recent models
have the same fixed menu appearance. The Samsung menu
system has graphics, animation and overall better
design, making it much easier to use. The Samsung
Program Guide keeps the tuned channel visible and
audible in a quarter-screen, while the Panasonic one
stops tuning while in the Guide - you can't continue
to watch/listen while browsing.

The Panasonic can't be manually tuned (for digital
services). Whenever a new service appears, you have
to do a complete auto-tune, then re-edit the channel
list to hide all the dross services. The Samsung
detects new services automatically - they just appear
in the lists with a "new service" icon to point them out.

I'd agree 2 HDMI ports might not be enough. At times,
I've used all 4 on mine. On the thin LED models,
Samsung don't do a full-size SCART port (not enough
space) but instead provide an adaptor. New TVs are
likely to have an option for hard-disc recording via
USB port. I think the Panasonics need a dedicated
disc (or flash drive) with proprietary formatting, so
you can't use it elsewhere or copy content.

I saw the Viera Smart TV stuff on last year's model
and wasn't impressed. Only iPlayer seemed worth
having. Current Samsung models advertise all the
catch-up services. I would guess Samsung still has
the lead in this department.

The DLNA/uPnP media playback on my Samsung is superior
to that on even a 1-year old Panasonic, which seemed
to have more limited codec support, though specs for
the latest models suggest this has been improved.

Whichever model you choose, the Skype app will most
likely need a proprietary USB web-cam. Only you can
decide if this is worth it. You may also need the
proprietary Wi-Fi dongle if you don't have a cable
connection. Both these items are expensive extras.

New TV - Samsung or Panasonic?
 

In article , Jim wrote:

I think the Panasonics need a dedicated
disc (or flash drive) with proprietary formatting, so
you can't use it elsewhere or copy content.

Or even on another instance of the same model of TV, if you
have it replaced for some reason.

Whichever model you choose, the Skype app will most
likely need a proprietary USB web-cam. Only you can
decide if this is worth it. You may also need the
proprietary Wi-Fi dongle if you don't have a cable
connection. Both these items are expensive extras.

However, the proprietary dongles and webcams may in fact be some
particular cheap one in disguise; this was certainly true of the
Panasonic wifi dongle a few years ago. Of course, you'd probably want
to be sure of this in advance.

-- Richard

New TV - Samsung or Panasonic?
 

Jim wrote:
You
may also need the proprietary Wi-Fi dongle if you don't have a cable
connection. Both these items are expensive extras.

If the TV has an ethernet socket, get one of these for less than 20 quid,
to enable connection to your WiFi network

http://www.dabs.com/products/tp-link-150mbps-wireless-n-nano-router-86HZ.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=ppc%20produ ct%20search&utm_content=Q200&origin=pla


--
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

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Jim wrote:

What bugs me most about the Panasonic is its User
Interface.

The Samsung
Program Guide keeps the tuned channel visible and
audible in a quarter-screen, while the Panasonic one
stops tuning while in the Guide - you can't continue
to watch/listen while browsing.

Personally, as I always watch via the PVR, even when viewing
live, the details of the TV EPG become pretty academic.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Plant amazing Acers.

New TV - Samsung or Panasonic?
 

Chris J Dixon wrote:

Personally, as I always watch via the PVR, even when viewing
live, the details of the TV EPG become pretty academic.

Chris
As a person committed to saving the planet I implore you not to do that.
It wastes electricity.

Bill

New TV - Samsung or Panasonic?
 

Bill Wright wrote:

Chris J Dixon wrote:

Personally, as I always watch via the PVR, even when viewing
live, the details of the TV EPG become pretty academic.

As a person committed to saving the planet I implore you not to do that.
It wastes electricity.

But for the minimal extra cost, I can pause or replay at will,
can check recordings are progressing OK, don't have to wait for
the PVR to get its ducks in a row when I need it, and only have
to work with one menu system.

The fact of the matter is that I view so little live, that it
really isn't worth considering.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Plant amazing Acers.

New TV - Samsung or Panasonic?
 

In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
As a person committed to saving the planet I implore you not to do that.
It wastes electricity.

Remember not to feed the troll!

-- Richard

New TV - Samsung or Panasonic?
 

Chris J Dixon wrote:

Personally, as I always watch via the PVR, even when viewing
live, the details of the TV EPG become pretty academic.

As a person committed to saving the planet I implore you not to do that.
It wastes electricity.

But for the minimal extra cost, I can pause or replay at will,
can check recordings are progressing OK, don't have to wait for
the PVR to get its ducks in a row when I need it, and only have
to work with one menu system.

The fact of the matter is that I view so little live, that it
really isn't worth considering.

Well I hope you're happy when the sea rises fifty feet and floods your
house and the temperature rises so much that you can fry eggs on your
bird table and there's a plague of frogs.

Bill

New TV - Samsung or Panasonic?
 

Bill Wright wrote:
Chris J Dixon wrote:

Personally, as I always watch via the PVR, even when viewing
live, the details of the TV EPG become pretty academic.

As a person committed to saving the planet I implore you not to do
that. It wastes electricity.

But for the minimal extra cost, I can pause or replay at will,
can check recordings are progressing OK, don't have to wait for
the PVR to get its ducks in a row when I need it, and only have
to work with one menu system.

The fact of the matter is that I view so little live, that it
really isn't worth considering.

Well I hope you're happy when the sea rises fifty feet and floods your
house and the temperature rises so much that you can fry eggs on your
bird table and there's a plague of frogs.
Bill

With the Chinese building a new coal fired power station every 5 days,
a few people in the UK spinning extra hard drives to watch TV ain't
gona make much difference

Steve Terry
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New TV - Samsung or Panasonic?
 

Richard Tobin wrote:
In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
As a person committed to saving the planet I implore you not to do that.
It wastes electricity.

Remember not to feed the troll!

-- Richard
Spoilsport!

Bill

New TV - Samsung or Panasonic?
 

On 25/04/2013 12:38, Paul D Smith wrote:
So, it's picture quality, support etc that I'm interested in here -
thoughts?

Nothing about sound quality which says it all, really. No wonder the set
makers get away with not bothering.
++++++++++++++
The optical out is for my 7.1 surround system.


My 42in Panny Viera (around 5 years old) doesn't seem to output Dolby
from its optical out. Only 2 ch stereo. Can't figure out why.

It's a pain because it would be the lazy man's way of feeding 5.1 etc
from the Sky boxes and DVD player to the surround sound system.

--

Chris

New TV - Samsung or Panasonic?
 

"Martin" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 14:40:27 +0100, "Steve Terry"
wrote:
Bill Wright wrote:

Well I hope you're happy when the sea rises fifty feet and floods your
house and the temperature rises so much that you can fry eggs on your
bird table and there's a plague of frogs.

With the Chinese building a new coal fired power station every 5 days,
a few people in the UK spinning extra hard drives to watch TV ain't
gona make much difference

Especially with Iran and N Korea spinning centrifuges to make WMDs.

That's all right, as long as the "weapons of mass destruction" are like the
ones the Boston marathon bomber is charged with setting off.

--
Max Demian

New TV - Samsung or Panasonic?
 

Max Demian wrote:

"Martin" wrote:

Especially with Iran and N Korea spinning centrifuges to make WMDs.

That's all right, as long as the "weapons of mass destruction" are like the
ones the Boston marathon bomber is charged with setting off.

It did strike me that calling the Boston bombs WMDs devalued the term.
Apparently when dealing with civilians, the FBI class anything with more
than 1/4 ounce of explosive as a WMD, it's only when dealing with the
military that the normal CBRN type devices are called WMDs.

New TV - Samsung or Panasonic?
 

On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 01:29:20 +0100, Andy Burns
wrote:

Max Demian wrote:

"Martin" wrote:

Especially with Iran and N Korea spinning centrifuges to make WMDs.

That's all right, as long as the "weapons of mass destruction" are like the
ones the Boston marathon bomber is charged with setting off.

It did strike me that calling the Boston bombs WMDs devalued the term.
Apparently when dealing with civilians, the FBI class anything with more
than 1/4 ounce of explosive as a WMD, it's only when dealing with the
military that the normal CBRN type devices are called WMDs.

The FBI is not responsible for defining WMD. The phrase "Weapon 0f Mass
Destruction" is defined in the relevant federal law. When someone is
accused of a crime the accusation has to be in terms of the wording of
the law.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2332a

18 USC § 2332a - Use of weapons of mass destruction
....
the term "weapon of mass destruction" means—
(A) any destructive device as defined in section 921 of this title;
(B) any weapon that is designed or intended to cause death or
serious bodily injury through the release, dissemination, or
impact of toxic or poisonous chemicals, or their precursors;
(C) any weapon involving a biological agent, toxin, or vector (as
those terms are defined in section 178 of this title); or
(D) any weapon that is designed to release radiation or
radioactivity at a level dangerous to human life; and

18 USC § 921 - Definitions:

The term "destructive device" means—
(A) any explosive, incendiary, or poison gas—
(i) bomb,
(ii) grenade,
(iii) rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces,
(iv) missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than
one-quarter ounce,
(v) mine, or
(vi) device similar to any of the devices described in the
preceding clauses;
(B) any type of weapon (other than a shotgun or a shotgun shell
which the Attorney General finds is generally recognized as
particularly suitable for sporting purposes) by whatever name
known which will, or which may be readily converted to, expel a
projectile by the action of an explosive or other propellant, and
which has any barrel with a bore of more than one-half inch in
diameter; and
(C) any combination of parts either designed or intended for use in
converting any device into any destructive device described in
subparagraph (A) or (B) and from which a destructive device may be
readily assembled.


--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

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On 26/04/2013 20:54, Chris Youlden wrote:
On 25/04/2013 12:38, Paul D Smith wrote:
So, it's picture quality, support etc that I'm
interested in here -
thoughts?

Nothing about sound quality which says it all,
really. No wonder the set
makers get away with not bothering.
++++++++++++++
The optical out is for my 7.1 surround system.


My 42in Panny Viera (around 5 years old) doesn't seem
to output Dolby from its optical out. Only 2 ch
stereo. Can't figure out why.

It's a pain because it would be the lazy man's way of
feeding 5.1 etc from the Sky boxes and DVD player to
the surround sound system.

Older Samsungs are the same. They downmix
multi-channel audio from external sources. It only
works from the internal tuner, but then UK Freeview
doesn't carry any multi-channel.

Not sure if there's some licencing issue involved.

New TV - Samsung or Panasonic?
 

On 29/04/2013 18:02, Jim wrote:



My 42in Panny Viera (around 5 years old) doesn't seem
to output Dolby from its optical out. Only 2 ch
stereo. Can't figure out why.

It's a pain because it would be the lazy man's way of
feeding 5.1 etc from the Sky boxes and DVD player to
the surround sound system.

Older Samsungs are the same. They downmix multi-channel audio from
external sources. It only works from the internal tuner, but then UK
Freeview doesn't carry any multi-channel.

Not sure if there's some licencing issue involved.



my sony from the last couple of years will gladly output 5.1 - i use
hdmi audio return channel, very helpful but I just wish it would do the
same for dts - and lossless dolby and dts too.



--
Gareth.
That fly.... Is your magic wand.

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On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 22:37:11 +0100, "Max Demian"
wrote:

That's all right, as long as the "weapons of mass destruction"

Weapon of Mast Reduction - chainshot.

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On 26/04/2013 12:21, Bill Wright wrote:
Chris J Dixon wrote:

Personally, as I always watch via the PVR, even when viewing
live, the details of the TV EPG become pretty academic.

Chris
As a person committed to saving the planet I implore you not to do that.
It wastes electricity.


You don't have to worry about saving the planet if you drive your
windmill in the back garden with the solar panels on the roof of the
your house.


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On 27/04/2013 01:29, Andy Burns wrote:
Max Demian wrote:

"Martin" wrote:

Especially with Iran and N Korea spinning centrifuges to make WMDs.

That's all right, as long as the "weapons of mass destruction" are
like the
ones the Boston marathon bomber is charged with setting off.

It did strike me that calling the Boston bombs WMDs devalued the term.
Apparently when dealing with civilians, the FBI class anything with more
than 1/4 ounce of explosive as a WMD, it's only when dealing with the
military that the normal CBRN type devices are called WMDs.


As the bomber obtained all of their explosives from a few fireworks
perhaps we should have a ban on WMD sold in supermarkets around November
time

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