Soundbars - what, you want sound with your TV?
 

In article ,
Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 16:52:39 +0100, Jim Lesurf
wrote:


I like the LS3/5As. They do produce good results. But I still
prefer the ESLs.

Quite. But most simply wouldn't put up with such enormous speakers in
this context.

Discerning people with the correct priorities realise that you buy
loudspeakers to listen to, not to look at.

Discerning people may also have a life that doesn't just consist of
listening to loudspeakers.

Discerning people use ESLs so they *don't* have to listen to the
speakers.
:-)

Well, yes, a poor choice of preposition I suppose. Being strictly
accurate, ideally you should be able to listen to the music, or
whatever, *through* the loudspeakers, without hearing the loudspeakers
at all.

Nothing wrong with that statement. However, unless you have a dedicated
room which only you use for listening, the size and appearance of the
speakers is likely to matter too, to most. And very few indeed will put up
with the size and room positioning foibles of an electrostatic. Let alone
the cost.

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Soundbars - what, you want sound with your TV?
 

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
John J Armstrong wrote:

Yes, I had a Panasonic VCR more than twenty years ago which let you do
that. It could also be set up to record TV picture and stereo (hifi)
sound from an FM tuner - very useful for "simultaneous broadcasts"
before NICAM became available.

That was possible with any VCR, because they would all record from an AV
input.

How would you combine the picture from the internal tuner with the sound
from an external FM tuner without a specific 'simulcast' facility?

--
Max Demian

Soundbars - what, you want sound with your TV?
 

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Only if you also had an external tuner. My Panasonic has a switch which
allows you to select the sound source independant of the picture - so you
can record pictures off air using its internal tuner, and supply the sound
from say an FM tuner.

Ohh that was a clever. I had various Panasonics and they didn't do that.
They weren't fancy ones though.

What I did was, I put the telly on the channel I wanted to record and
took the video from AV2 on the telly and the sound from the FM tuner and
fed the video and audio into the VCR via a scart or the phonos. My first
two Panasonics had BNCs for video in and out and no scarts!

I wonder if a VCR with two scarts would allow you to record sound from
an external source if you connected scart 1 to scart 2 for video and
added the audio from elsewhere and set it to record from AV1.

Bill

Soundbars - what, you want sound with your TV?
 

On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 11:38:39 +0100, "Max Demian"
wrote:

Yes, I had a Panasonic VCR more than twenty years ago which let you do
that. It could also be set up to record TV picture and stereo (hifi)
sound from an FM tuner - very useful for "simultaneous broadcasts"
before NICAM became available.

That was possible with any VCR, because they would all record from an AV
input.

How would you combine the picture from the internal tuner with the sound
from an external FM tuner without a specific 'simulcast' facility?

Use external tuners and stick the relevant plugs into different holes.

It might not always have been possible to record video from the VCR's
*internal* tuner and sound from an external source, but if you really
want to do something there's always a way.

Rod.

Soundbars - what, you want sound with your TV?
 

On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 10:36:24 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
John J Armstrong wrote:

Yes, I had a Panasonic VCR more than twenty years ago which let you do
that. It could also be set up to record TV picture and stereo (hifi)
sound from an FM tuner - very useful for "simultaneous broadcasts"
before NICAM became available.

That was possible with any VCR, because they would all record from an AV
input.

Only if you also had an external tuner. My Panasonic has a switch which
allows you to select the sound source independant of the picture - so you
can record pictures off air using its internal tuner, and supply the sound
from say an FM tuner.

That's what I meant. Picture from the internal tuner, sound from an
external FM tuner. This was back in the 80s. The VCR didn't have
SCARTs; video in/out was via BNC connections, and audio was via phono
plugs. I had it permanently connected to the hifi on a tape loop.

Soundbars - what, you want sound with your TV?
 

In article , Jim Lesurf
scribeth thus
In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In article , Roderick
Stewart wrote:
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 18:13:10 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

I like the LS3/5As. They do produce good results. But I still
prefer the ESLs.

Quite. But most simply wouldn't put up with such enormous speakers in
this context.

Discerning people with the correct priorities realise that you buy
loudspeakers to listen to, not to look at.

Discerning people may also have a life that doesn't just consist of
listening to loudspeakers.

Discerning people use ESLs so they *don't* have to listen to the speakers.
:-)


+1....

Slainte,

Jim


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Tony Sayer

Soundbars - what, you want sound with your TV?
 

In article , Dave Plowman (News)
scribeth thus
In article ,
Jim Lesurf wrote:
Some events like Proms can have superb sound and would benefit from a
serious set of audio kit. But other programmes may have level compressed
and/or poor sound that may not justify much beyond what you get in the
TV.

I've yet to hear any broadcast audio which doesn't benefit from being
reproduced via a decent amp and speaker. That which starts out as being
possibly less than ideal even more in many cases.


Generally agree with that despite what we sometimes might think TV sound
isn't always bad.

When we find some decent TV to view of course..


--
Tony Sayer

Soundbars - what, you want sound with your TV?
 

One of the reasons I like ESLs is that they make things like background
noise and clicks easier to ignore.

Why should that be Jim?..

But I doubt most people would think the
expensive and inconvenience justifies that. The reality is that most people
probably would think most serious audiophiles are bonkers... and given some
of the things they do, I find it hard to argue at times. :-)

Theirs audio piles and audio fools and those who just like their audio
as it ought be:)...

Slainte,

Jim


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Tony Sayer

Soundbars - what, you want sound with your TV?
 

In article , NY
scribeth thus
"Norman Wells" wrote in message
...
But I think there's a case for a sort of Turing Test for audio quality.
Hide a selection of real people and audio systems behind a screen, and see
if people really can't distinguish between them. Has there ever been an
audio system that would pass that, I wonder?

Has anyone ever done a Turing Test to see if people can distinguish between
live reproduction (microphone, amplifier, speakers) and digital recording
(microphone, amplifier, CD, CD player, amplifier, speakers), to see if those
people who say that they prefer vinyl over CD are really saying that they
prefer the restricted dynamic range and frequency response required for
vinyl - ie that live sound and CD recorded sound are "too faithful" compared
with vinyl recording.


Seem to remember this was a weekly thing back in the 70's and 80's KEF
speakers come to mind for that....
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Tony Sayer

Soundbars - what, you want sound with your TV?
 

In article , tony sayer

wrote:

One of the reasons I like ESLs is that they make things like background
noise and clicks easier to ignore.

Why should that be Jim?..

Hard to be sure but I think it is a combination of:

A) lack of resonances. So that clicks are just a click, not a short ringing
noise.

B) smooth frequency response. So background noise isn't 'tuned' and become
more noticable to human hearing as we detect the tuned nature.

C) low level of nonlinarity. Reduces the tendency for wanted and unwanted
signals to mix together, muddling the result.

All make it easier for hearing to 'focus' on the wanted music and ignore
the clicks or noise.

For old worn mono LPs the good stereo imaging also may help distinguish the
central imaged mono music from the clicks from each speaker, etc.

Friend of mine for some years has used ESLs to listen to his extensive
collection of pre-electric '78s' (not all 78rmp of course). For these sorts
of reasons. Finds it much easier to hear the music and ignore the
background noise.

Slainte,

Jim

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