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Margaret Thatcher
In article , Rick
scribeth thus "Bill Wright" wrote in message ... Andy Champ wrote: On 09/04/2013 10:39, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Oh - wait a minute - who closed all the coal mines? Well, since you mention it - I think it was mostly down to Arthur Scargill... Andy Well yes. And coal mines have been closing since coal mining begun. I remember the Durham mines closing in the 1960s. No government, of any political persuasion, will ever again allow themselves to be put into a position of being held to ransom on anything as important as energy supply (remember Britain was on a three day working week years before Margaret Thatcher arrived on the scene) people seem to forget that the only reason that she ever became prime minister was because this country was on the brink of total anarchy and metaphorically speaking, all Wilson and Callaghan ever did was to stand around fiddling whilst Britain burned around them, a big mistake at a time when the country was desperately in need of some really strong leadership. Yep, thats one of the reasons why she was -voted- into power... -- Tony Sayer |
Margaret Thatcher
In article , Rick
scribeth thus "Bill Wright" wrote in message ... Andy Champ wrote: On 09/04/2013 10:39, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Oh - wait a minute - who closed all the coal mines? Well, since you mention it - I think it was mostly down to Arthur Scargill... Andy Well yes. And coal mines have been closing since coal mining begun. I remember the Durham mines closing in the 1960s. No government, of any political persuasion, will ever again allow themselves to be put into a position of being held to ransom on anything as important as energy supply (remember Britain was on a three day working week years before Margaret Thatcher arrived on the scene) people seem to forget that the only reason that she ever became prime minister was because this country was on the brink of total anarchy and metaphorically speaking, all Wilson and Callaghan ever did was to stand around fiddling whilst Britain burned around them, a big mistake at a time when the country was desperately in need of some really strong leadership. Yep, thats one of the reasons why she was -voted- into power... The female vote was significant when she was first elected PM in 1979. Although it was not apparent at the time, this opened a Pandora's box which still impacts the Conservative Party today. What people appear to be overlooking in the aftermath of her demise - the news coverage has concentrated on the polar opposites shouting yah boo sucks at each other, the middle ground has been ignored. Floating voters in marginal seats - specifically those of middle income families whose ( graduate ) children now live in a post-industrial society, perhaps unemployed since graduating - maybe shelf-stacking in Asda, with little or no hope of being to afford to buy their own home. Thatcher's vision, smash the trade unions to allow market forces to again hold sway in our economy, counter the uncompetitiveness of the state enterprises by taking a bulldozer to steel works, coal mines, shipyards - in the hope that the slack would be taken up by new businesses set up by budding entrepreneurs, and the banking and insurance sector. The last bit was a howling success for a time - post "Big Bang" in the City. "Greed is good, greed works" - Gordon Gecko http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2nA2szz8dY the Irish guy above hits the nail right on the head. "There is no such thing as society" - Margaret Thatcher If she's right on that, then how come our money was used to bail out & nationalise the bankrupt banks, and how come the chairmen & chief execs are still at liberty? Returning to the floating voters, I can see Conservative candidates out canvassing in the run up to the next general election being asked "Are you now or have you ever been a Thatcherite?" The anti-Europe wing of the Conservative Party has already splintered off and formed UKIP. That is Thatcher's legacy - even in death her spectre continues to haunt this country. |
Margaret Thatcher
No government, of any political persuasion, will ever again allow themselves to be put into a position of being held to ransom on anything as important as energy supply (remember Britain was on a three day working week years before Margaret Thatcher arrived on the scene) people seem to forget that the only reason that she ever became prime minister was because this country was on the brink of total anarchy and metaphorically speaking, all Wilson and Callaghan ever did was to stand around fiddling whilst Britain burned around them, a big mistake at a time when the country was desperately in need of some really strong leadership. Yep, thats one of the reasons why she was -voted- into power... The female vote was significant when she was first elected PM in 1979. Although it was not apparent at the time, this opened a Pandora's box which still impacts the Conservative Party today. It was a vote for the Tory party else why would it have happened?, a lot of the UK wasn't that pleased with that what was going on. So they voted for her and again and again... Remember these were differing times to now, it was what the country thought right -then- at that time. A lot will say in retrospect that the yanks should have never bombed Hiroshima or worse still Nagasaki but it was the right thing to do at -that- time... What people appear to be overlooking in the aftermath of her demise - the news coverage has concentrated on the polar opposites shouting yah boo sucks at each other, the middle ground has been ignored. Floating voters in marginal seats - specifically those of middle income families whose ( graduate ) children now live in a post-industrial society, perhaps unemployed since graduating - maybe shelf-stacking in Asda, with little or no hope of being to afford to buy their own home. I never thought I'd be able to buy my home back in 1978 but I did, and have moved along that scale quite a bit since then. Odd as it is my guvnor at that time never thought he'd be able to buy a home when he was younger .. but he did. My dad never ever thought he'd be able to buy his home but she made it possible for him but he didn't anyway. I bought it for him instead!.. Just hard committed work did that in each case.. Thatcher's vision, smash the trade unions to allow market forces to again hold sway in our economy, counter the uncompetitiveness of the state enterprises by taking a bulldozer to steel works, coal mines, shipyards - in the hope that the slack would be taken up by new businesses set up by budding entrepreneurs, and the banking and insurance sector. The last bit was a howling success for a time - post "Big Bang" in the City. "Greed is good, greed works" - Gordon Gecko http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2nA2szz8dY the Irish guy above hits the nail right on the head. "There is no such thing as society" - Margaret Thatcher If she's right on that, then how come our money was used to bail out & nationalise the bankrupt banks, and how come the chairmen & chief execs are still at liberty? How come labour hasn't put that right in the Blair brown years then?.. Returning to the floating voters, I can see Conservative candidates out canvassing in the run up to the next general election being asked "Are you now or have you ever been a Thatcherite?" It will have all blown over then as it has since she left power back in 1990. Its only been thought about since Monday. By next week it will be off the news screens.. The anti-Europe wing of the Conservative Party has already splintered off and formed UKIP. That is Thatcher's legacy - even in death her spectre continues to haunt this country. So what if the UKIP is there?. Its a political party, anyone can form one, left right centre up or sideways.. Lets bear in mind that such as my old dad and his spitfire risked a lot for democracy in the first instance;)... Ands the electorate voted that way at that time as was their wish.. -- Tony Sayer |
Margaret Thatcher
tony sayer wrote:
No government, of any political persuasion, will ever again allow themselves to be put into a position of being held to ransom on anything as important as energy supply (remember Britain was on a three day working week years before Margaret Thatcher arrived on the scene) people seem to forget that the only reason that she ever became prime minister was because this country was on the brink of total anarchy and metaphorically speaking, all Wilson and Callaghan ever did was to stand around fiddling whilst Britain burned around them, a big mistake at a time when the country was desperately in need of some really strong leadership. Yep, thats one of the reasons why she was -voted- into power... The female vote was significant when she was first elected PM in 1979. Although it was not apparent at the time, this opened a Pandora's box which still impacts the Conservative Party today. It was a vote for the Tory party else why would it have happened?, a lot of the UK wasn't that pleased with that what was going on. So they voted for her and again and again... Remember these were differing times to now, it was what the country thought right -then- at that time. A lot will say in retrospect that the yanks should have never bombed Hiroshima or worse still Nagasaki but it was the right thing to do at -that- time... What a bizarre analogy! I think a better comparison is what was going on in other countries at the time, and how they progressed without the dogma of anti-union, and anti-nationalisation. Steve Terry -- Get a free GiffGaff PAYG Sim and £5 bonus after activation at: http://giffgaff.com/orders/affiliate/gfourwwk |
Margaret Thatcher
In article , Steve Terry
scribeth thus tony sayer wrote: No government, of any political persuasion, will ever again allow themselves to be put into a position of being held to ransom on anything as important as energy supply (remember Britain was on a three day working week years before Margaret Thatcher arrived on the scene) people seem to forget that the only reason that she ever became prime minister was because this country was on the brink of total anarchy and metaphorically speaking, all Wilson and Callaghan ever did was to stand around fiddling whilst Britain burned around them, a big mistake at a time when the country was desperately in need of some really strong leadership. Yep, thats one of the reasons why she was -voted- into power... The female vote was significant when she was first elected PM in 1979. Although it was not apparent at the time, this opened a Pandora's box which still impacts the Conservative Party today. It was a vote for the Tory party else why would it have happened?, a lot of the UK wasn't that pleased with that what was going on. So they voted for her and again and again... Remember these were differing times to now, it was what the country thought right -then- at that time. A lot will say in retrospect that the yanks should have never bombed Hiroshima or worse still Nagasaki but it was the right thing to do at -that- time... What a bizarre analogy! Yes it may seem so but its stark enough to demonstrate that it was at -that- time in history which was the relevant point Steve... I think a better comparison is what was going on in other countries at the time, and how they progressed without the dogma of anti-union, and anti-nationalisation. I'm sure they had/have their fair share in one way or the other... Steve Terry -- Tony Sayer |
Margaret Thatcher
Martin wrote:
On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 22:00:21 +0100, "Steve Terry" wrote: tony sayer wrote: snip Remember these were differing times to now, it was what the country thought right -then- at that time. A lot will say in retrospect that the yanks should have never bombed Hiroshima or worse still Nagasaki but it was the right thing to do at -that- time... What a bizarre analogy! I think a better comparison is what was going on in other countries at the time, and how they progressed without the dogma of anti-union, and anti-nationalisation. In Germany and The Netherlands industry and unions work together instead of having confrontations. Everybody gains. Honda turned around Rover Longbridge in under 5 years, a place the Thatcherites called a hot bed of union troublemakers. It takes two to fight, Thatcherites forget about incompetent confrontational UK management. Steve Terry -- Get a free GiffGaff PAYG Sim and £5 bonus after activation at: http://giffgaff.com/orders/affiliate/gfourwwk |
Margaret Thatcher
On 10/04/2013 17:06, alanp wrote:
In article , Rick scribeth thus "Bill Wright" wrote in message ... Andy Champ wrote: On 09/04/2013 10:39, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Oh - wait a minute - who closed all the coal mines? Well, since you mention it - I think it was mostly down to Arthur Scargill... Andy Well yes. And coal mines have been closing since coal mining begun. I remember the Durham mines closing in the 1960s. No government, of any political persuasion, will ever again allow themselves to be put into a position of being held to ransom on anything as important as energy supply (remember Britain was on a three day working week years before Margaret Thatcher arrived on the scene) people seem to forget that the only reason that she ever became prime minister was because this country was on the brink of total anarchy and metaphorically speaking, all Wilson and Callaghan ever did was to stand around fiddling whilst Britain burned around them, a big mistake at a time when the country was desperately in need of some really strong leadership. Yep, thats one of the reasons why she was -voted- into power... The female vote was significant when she was first elected PM in 1979. Although it was not apparent at the time, this opened a Pandora's box which still impacts the Conservative Party today. What people appear to be overlooking in the aftermath of her demise - the news coverage has concentrated on the polar opposites shouting yah boo sucks at each other, the middle ground has been ignored. Floating voters in marginal seats - specifically those of middle income families whose ( graduate ) children now live in a post-industrial society, perhaps unemployed since graduating - maybe shelf-stacking in Asda, with little or no hope of being to afford to buy their own home. Thatcher's vision, smash the trade unions to allow market forces to again hold sway in our economy, counter the uncompetitiveness of the state enterprises by taking a bulldozer to steel works, coal mines, shipyards - in the hope that the slack would be taken up by new businesses set up by budding entrepreneurs, and the banking and insurance sector. The last bit was a howling success for a time - post "Big Bang" in the City. "Greed is good, greed works" - Gordon Gecko http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2nA2szz8dY the Irish guy above hits the nail right on the head. "There is no such thing as society" - Margaret Thatcher A partial quote, taken out of context and used by people who have no idea what she really said. http://www.iea.org.uk/blog/there-is-...ing-as-society In a similar vein, Norman Tebbit didn't say "Get on your bikes", nor did JFK say that he was a Berliner. If she's right on that, then how come our money was used to bail out & nationalise the bankrupt banks, and how come the chairmen & chief execs are still at liberty? Returning to the floating voters, I can see Conservative candidates out canvassing in the run up to the next general election being asked "Are you now or have you ever been a Thatcherite?" The anti-Europe wing of the Conservative Party has already splintered off and formed UKIP. That is Thatcher's legacy - even in death her spectre continues to haunt this country. -- Peter |
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