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Can someone please remind me of the differences between the versions?
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Java Jive wrote:

Can someone please remind me of the differences between the versions?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hdmi#Versions

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On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 23:29:44 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

Java Jive wrote:

Can someone please remind me of the differences between the versions?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hdmi#Versions


Versions? Nobody told me about versions. I recently replaced the only
remaining PVR in my system that didn't have HDMI (and got rid of all
but the most deeply knitted SCART cables). I just plugged the HDMI
cables in and they worked, just like old fashioned electric hi-fi. If
I'd known there were different versions I'd have worried about it
first. Should I worry about it now?

Rod.

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Roderick Stewart wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Java Jive wrote:

Can someone please remind me of the differences between the versions?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hdmi#Versions

Versions? Nobody told me about versions. I recently replaced the only
remaining PVR in my system that didn't have HDMI (and got rid of all
but the most deeply knitted SCART cables). I just plugged the HDMI
cables in and they worked, just like old fashioned electric hi-fi. If
I'd known there were different versions I'd have worried about it
first. Should I worry about it now?

Not if it works :-)

The comparison tables a little further down wililies page show the bells
and whistles added by newer versions (e.g. 3D, 4K resolution, ethernet
over HDMI) the only 1.4 feature I wish my TV had is the Audio Return
Channel, thankfully I could work round it by using SP/DIF out instead.

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On 25/03/2013 10:27, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 23:29:44 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

Java Jive wrote:

Can someone please remind me of the differences between the versions?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hdmi#Versions


Versions? Nobody told me about versions. I recently replaced the only
remaining PVR in my system that didn't have HDMI (and got rid of all
but the most deeply knitted SCART cables). I just plugged the HDMI
cables in and they worked, just like old fashioned electric hi-fi. If
I'd known there were different versions I'd have worried about it
first. Should I worry about it now?

Rod.




no.
not unless you need the audio return channel - that didn't work for me
until i switched the existing hdmi cable for a hdmi 1.4 one - which also
only cost a couple of pounds.

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In article ,
the dog from that film you saw wrote:

not unless you need the audio return channel - that didn't work for me
until i switched the existing hdmi cable for a hdmi 1.4 one

I had a similar experience, despite HDMI's own website saying that
"all HDMI cables will support Audio Return Channnel":

http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_1_4/arc.aspx

-- Richard

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When reading the connections on on some equipment specs. recently the term
"Mini HDMi" was stated what are these?
Regards
David

Various versions of HDMI
 

In article , David wrote:

When reading the connections on on some equipment specs. recently the term
"Mini HDMi" was stated what are these?

A smaller HDMI connector commonly used on smaller devices such as
camcorders. There is also an even smaller "micro" connector.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI

-- Richard

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On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 10:53:28 +0000, the dog from that film you saw
wrote:

Can someone please remind me of the differences between the versions?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hdmi#Versions


Versions? Nobody told me about versions. I recently replaced the only
remaining PVR in my system that didn't have HDMI (and got rid of all
but the most deeply knitted SCART cables). I just plugged the HDMI
cables in and they worked, just like old fashioned electric hi-fi. If
I'd known there were different versions I'd have worried about it
first. Should I worry about it now?

Rod.




no.
not unless you need the audio return channel - that didn't work for me
until i switched the existing hdmi cable for a hdmi 1.4 one - which also
only cost a couple of pounds.

Well, that's me reassured then, as the only thing I use my "TV set"
for is a video display. I won't ever need an audio return from a video
display, so it doesn't matter whether it's there or not.

I knew I made the right decision to keep my system to simple old
fashioned principles, audio equipment for the sound, video equipment
for the pictures, separate recorders for separate recordings. Under
those conditions, cables can be just cables.

Rod.

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On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 10:38:53 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

Roderick Stewart wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Java Jive wrote:

Can someone please remind me of the differences between the versions?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hdmi#Versions

Versions? Nobody told me about versions. I recently replaced the only
remaining PVR in my system that didn't have HDMI (and got rid of all
but the most deeply knitted SCART cables). I just plugged the HDMI
cables in and they worked, just like old fashioned electric hi-fi. If
I'd known there were different versions I'd have worried about it
first. Should I worry about it now?

Not if it works :-)

The comparison tables a little further down wililies page show the bells
and whistles added by newer versions (e.g. 3D, 4K resolution, ethernet
over HDMI) the only 1.4 feature I wish my TV had is the Audio Return
Channel, thankfully I could work round it by using SP/DIF out instead.

My TV doesn't have ARC but I bought HDMI cables that support both it and 3D,
Ethernet etc. just in case.
I then noticed that the AVR runs at 1W in standby but, if I wanted AVR, the
HDMI wotsits (CBA to look it up - service or something?) on the AVR has to
be enabled. That means an 'enhanced' standby power of 19W! or about 170kWh
pa - rather an expensive facility. As I can't see any great advantage over
TOSlink I'll stick with the optical cable so long as lip sync. is OK.
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

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On 25/03/2013 10:59, David wrote:


When reading the connections on on some equipment specs. recently the
term "Mini HDMi" was stated what are these?
Regards
David



the socket on the device is just that - mini, usually on a tablet device
or a mobile phone when a regular socket will take up too much space.
there's micro hdmi too.

--
Gareth.
That fly.... Is your magic wand.

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On 25/03/2013 11:41, Roderick Stewart wrote:


Well, that's me reassured then, as the only thing I use my "TV set"
for is a video display. I won't ever need an audio return from a video
display, so it doesn't matter whether it's there or not.

I knew I made the right decision to keep my system to simple old
fashioned principles, audio equipment for the sound, video equipment
for the pictures, separate recorders for separate recordings. Under
those conditions, cables can be just cables.

Rod.




they are useful sometimes.
i have a blu ray player with integrated surround sound connected to my tv.
i then have my pc connected up to the tv too and using audio return
channel the surround sound from the pc enters the tv and then gets
squirted back up to the blu ray player again so i can enjoy pc based
surround sound too.

--
Gareth.
That fly.... Is your magic wand.

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Thanks for the link, Andy ...

On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 23:29:44 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

Java Jive wrote:

Can someone please remind me of the differences between the versions?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hdmi#Versions

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In message , David writes
When reading the connections on on some equipment specs. recently the
term "Mini HDMi" was stated what are these?
I've got one on my Panasonic Digital Camcorder so I'd guess it's for
them.
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Roderick Stewart wrote:

Well, that's me reassured then, as the only thing I use my "TV set"
for is a video display. I won't ever need an audio return from a video
display, so it doesn't matter whether it's there or not.

Auidio return has the significant advantage, that the audio is delayed
to compensate for the screen's inherent latency. There's quite a lip sync
error if I route the audio from my STBs etc directly to my amp.


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On Tue, 02 Apr 2013 20:46:02 +0100, Mark Carver
wrote:

Well, that's me reassured then, as the only thing I use my "TV set"
for is a video display. I won't ever need an audio return from a video
display, so it doesn't matter whether it's there or not.

Auidio return has the significant advantage, that the audio is delayed
to compensate for the screen's inherent latency. There's quite a lip sync
error if I route the audio from my STBs etc directly to my amp.

True, but I've solved that problem with an external audio delay.

I didn't realise there was another way of doing it, though I'm still
not sure how I would use an HDMI audio return signal, because in my
case there would be four of them on four separate cables, and of
course they'd be digital so I'd need another piece of equipment to
select and decode them before feeding them to the hi-fi amplifier.

My amplifier has an old-fashioned tape monitoring system, where the
signal can be diverted to an external piece of equipment after the
selector switch, so that's where the audio delay goes, and as this is
only one standard pair of audio feeds, it seems much simpler than four
separate digital ones on different cables.

Rod.

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Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Tue, 02 Apr 2013 20:46:02 +0100, Mark Carver
wrote:

Well, that's me reassured then, as the only thing I use my "TV set"
for is a video display. I won't ever need an audio return from a video
display, so it doesn't matter whether it's there or not.
Audio return has the significant advantage, that the audio is delayed
to compensate for the screen's inherent latency. There's quite a lip sync
error if I route the audio from my STBs etc directly to my amp.

True, but I've solved that problem with an external audio delay.

I didn't realise there was another way of doing it, though I'm still
not sure how I would use an HDMI audio return signal, because in my
case there would be four of them on four separate cables, and of
course they'd be digital so I'd need another piece of equipment to
select and decode them before feeding them to the hi-fi amplifier.

Well, (in the case of the amp having an HDMI input, (which yours
doesn't)) you can effectively use the TV set as the source selection
device ? That's how my set up is arranged (albeit that I'm using SPDIF
out from the TV and into my amp)

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Roderick Stewart wrote:

I didn't realise there was another way of doing it, though I'm still
not sure how I would use an HDMI audio return signal, because in my
case there would be four of them on four separate cables, and of
course they'd be digital so I'd need another piece of equipment to
select and decode them before feeding them to the hi-fi amplifier.

I'm fairly sure I'm missing something here, but my approach sounds
simpler. Each box (PVR, DVD, etc) is connected to the TV with an HDMI
cable. The 'digital audio out' from the TV is connected to the
'digital in' on my amp.

Thus the sound system always plays whatever I'm watching on the screen
(complete with necessary delay).

No need for any audio returns, or anything like that. The audio out
from the TV doesn't mess with the digital sound, so 5.1 from a DVD
comes out as 5.1, stereo from a CD comes out as stereo, and so on.

What could be simpler?

--
SteveT

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Mark Carver wrote:

Well, (in the case of the amp having an HDMI input, (which yours
doesn't)) you can effectively use the TV set as the source selection
device ?

Ooops. Sorry, that's just what I posted.


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In message , Steve Thackery
writes
Roderick Stewart wrote:

I didn't realise there was another way of doing it, though I'm still
not sure how I would use an HDMI audio return signal, because in my
case there would be four of them on four separate cables, and of
course they'd be digital so I'd need another piece of equipment to
select and decode them before feeding them to the hi-fi amplifier.

I'm fairly sure I'm missing something here, but my approach sounds
simpler. Each box (PVR, DVD, etc) is connected to the TV with an HDMI
cable. The 'digital audio out' from the TV is connected to the
'digital in' on my amp.

Thus the sound system always plays whatever I'm watching on the screen
(complete with necessary delay).

No need for any audio returns, or anything like that. The audio out
from the TV doesn't mess with the digital sound, so 5.1 from a DVD
comes out as 5.1, stereo from a CD comes out as stereo, and so on.

What could be simpler?

Just for clarity,

http://hometheater.about.com/od/home...o-Return-Chann
el-Arc.htm
--
Ian

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On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 03:05:44 -0500, "Steve Thackery"
wrote:


I didn't realise there was another way of doing it, though I'm still
not sure how I would use an HDMI audio return signal, because in my
case there would be four of them on four separate cables, and of
course they'd be digital so I'd need another piece of equipment to
select and decode them before feeding them to the hi-fi amplifier.

I'm fairly sure I'm missing something here, but my approach sounds
simpler. Each box (PVR, DVD, etc) is connected to the TV with an HDMI
cable. The 'digital audio out' from the TV is connected to the
'digital in' on my amp.

Thus the sound system always plays whatever I'm watching on the screen
(complete with necessary delay).

No need for any audio returns, or anything like that. The audio out
from the TV doesn't mess with the digital sound, so 5.1 from a DVD
comes out as 5.1, stereo from a CD comes out as stereo, and so on.

What could be simpler?

Yes, that does seem simpler than either my present system of separate
audio and video switching, or trying to make some use of digital audio
returned via four separate HDMI cables.

On checking the manual, it seems my TV does have a separate digital
output. It's optical apparently, so I'd still need to get something to
decode it to audio for the amplifier, but it would eliminate the need
to switch audio and video separately. I did investigate this before,
because there is an analogue audio output on the SCART connector, but
it only plays audio from the built-in TV tuner, which I don't use, not
the audio from other AV sources, so I abandoned the idea.

I simplified the wiring recently with the disposal of the last piece
of AV gear that didn't have HDMI, and of a SCART switch and associated
cabling. Without all those thick cables there might be room in the
equipment rack to experiment.

Rod.

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On 03/04/2013 09:05, Steve Thackery wrote:
Roderick Stewart wrote:

I didn't realise there was another way of doing it, though I'm still
not sure how I would use an HDMI audio return signal, because in my
case there would be four of them on four separate cables, and of
course they'd be digital so I'd need another piece of equipment to
select and decode them before feeding them to the hi-fi amplifier.

I'm fairly sure I'm missing something here, but my approach sounds
simpler. Each box (PVR, DVD, etc) is connected to the TV with an HDMI
cable. The 'digital audio out' from the TV is connected to the
'digital in' on my amp.

Thus the sound system always plays whatever I'm watching on the screen
(complete with necessary delay).

No need for any audio returns, or anything like that. The audio out
from the TV doesn't mess with the digital sound, so 5.1 from a DVD
comes out as 5.1, stereo from a CD comes out as stereo, and so on.

What could be simpler?




ARC does exactly what you describe, but instead of needing to use an
audio out from the tv it uses the hdmi cable that the tv is connected to
the amp with - so it's simpler as in you'll have one less cable but in
practise no difference.
with my setup i have the pc, playstation, sky box, blu ray player with
intergrated surround sound amp, all conncected via hdmi to the tv - and
whatever i'm watching comes out of the amp speakers even though the
other items are not connected to it.

--
Gareth.
That fly.... Is your magic wand.

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Roderick Stewart wrote:

On checking the manual, it seems my TV does have a separate digital
output. It's optical apparently, so I'd still need to get something to
decode it to audio for the amplifier..

Are you sure you amp doesn't have an optical in? Lots of them do,
these days.

--
SteveT

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the dog from that film you saw wrote:

ARC does exactly what you describe, but instead of needing to use an
audio out from the tv it uses the hdmi cable that the tv is connected
to the amp with - so it's simpler as in you'll have one less cable
but in practise no difference. with my setup i have the pc,
playstation, sky box, blu ray player with intergrated surround sound
amp, all conncected via hdmi to the tv - and whatever i'm watching
comes out of the amp speakers even though the other items are not
connected to it.

I like the sound of this, but could you just clarify something? In my
present solution, the TV acts as the "switching hub", so to speak. All
sources go to directly the TV via HDMI leads, and the TV digital sound
out goes to the amp.

My mental picture of yours has the amp as the switching hub. That is,
all sources go to the amp; you select which source you want on the amp;
and that source is then "forwarded" to the TV up the HDMI lead between
the TV and the amp. The ARC on that lead goes back to the amp and
comes out of the speakers. Is that right?

One thing perhaps you could clarify for me: how do you tell the amp to
"listen" to the ARC, rather than directly to the inputs which you are
selecting?

Sorry if this is a daft question, but I'm always open to finding better
ways of setting up my system.

--
SteveT

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Steve Thackery wrote:

My mental picture of yours has the amp as the switching hub. That is,
all sources go to the amp; you select which source you want on the amp;

Yes, seems to work well that way for me.

and that source is then "forwarded" to the TV up the HDMI lead between
the TV and the amp. The ARC on that lead goes back to the amp and
comes out of the speakers. Is that right?

It might be able to be used that way, in most cases the kit can send
audio+video to the amp, which sends the video to the TV and the audio to
its speakers.

But if you don't have an STB and watch TV using the TV's tuner, you need
to get audio out of the TV the "wrong" way along the HDMI lead between
TV and amp, that's what ARC allows for, you can select any input to the
amp, and watch it on the amp and listen to it on the surround speakers,
you might need to tell the TV to default to digital audio rather than
its inbuilt speakers, and enable CEC (or whatever your manaufacturer
calls it BlahLink) then the TVs remote vol+/vol-/mute should control the
amp volume, while the prog+/prog- still control the TV.

One thing perhaps you could clarify for me: how do you tell the amp to
"listen" to the ARC, rather than directly to the inputs which you are
selecting?

Don't know on that, my TV doesn't "send" ARC, so I used optical to get
audio to the amp (I could have used phono instead but there was a niggle
with that) thankfully my amp has a matrix to associate different audio
inputs with each HDMI input, so in my case I just linked SPDIF audio
with HDMI input1 (and named that TV), I daresay most amps have similar.

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In message , Andy
Burns writes
Steve Thackery wrote:

My mental picture of yours has the amp as the switching hub. That is,
all sources go to the amp; you select which source you want on the amp;

Yes, seems to work well that way for me.

and that source is then "forwarded" to the TV up the HDMI lead between
the TV and the amp. The ARC on that lead goes back to the amp and
comes out of the speakers. Is that right?

It might be able to be used that way, in most cases the kit can send
audio+video to the amp, which sends the video to the TV and the audio
to its speakers.

But if you don't have an STB and watch TV using the TV's tuner, you
need to get audio out of the TV the "wrong" way along the HDMI lead
between TV and amp, that's what ARC allows for, you can select any
input to the amp, and watch it on the amp and listen to it on the
surround speakers, you might need to tell the TV to default to digital
audio rather than its inbuilt speakers, and enable CEC (or whatever
your manaufacturer calls it BlahLink) then the TVs remote
vol+/vol-/mute should control the amp volume, while the prog+/prog-
still control the TV.

One thing perhaps you could clarify for me: how do you tell the amp to
"listen" to the ARC, rather than directly to the inputs which you are
selecting?

Don't know on that, my TV doesn't "send" ARC, so I used optical to get
audio to the amp (I could have used phono instead but there was a
niggle with that) thankfully my amp has a matrix to associate different
audio inputs with each HDMI input, so in my case I just linked SPDIF
audio with HDMI input1 (and named that TV), I daresay most amps have
similar.

My amp has the Freeview box, Freesat box, Blu-ray player, and Xbox all
connected to it via HDMI.

The TV is connected to it via the HDMI ARC input/output.

When it's in standby mode, the amp passes whatever box is not in
standby, or off, through to the TV.

If I want to use the amp speakers, I bring it out of standby.

My PC is connected to the TV via HDMI, and uses either onboard sound via
the HDMI cable, or my PCI sound-card via optical to the amp.

Clear as mud?
--
Ian

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Ian wrote:

My amp has the Freeview box, Freesat box, Blu-ray player, and Xbox all
connected to it via HDMI.
The TV is connected to it via the HDMI ARC input/output.

If I want to use the amp speakers, I bring it out of standby.

Turning my TV on/off, turns the amp on/off, maybe I could stop that if I
wanted to.

My PC is connected to the TV via HDMI, and uses either onboard sound via
the HDMI cable, or my PCI sound-card via optical to the amp.

Clear as mud?

If everything's connected to the amp (and you receive TV using STBs)
when do you make use of ARC?

Various versions of HDMI
 

On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 13:35:29 -0500, "Steve Thackery"
wrote:


On checking the manual, it seems my TV does have a separate digital
output. It's optical apparently, so I'd still need to get something to
decode it to audio for the amplifier..

Are you sure you amp doesn't have an optical in? Lots of them do,
these days.

It's a Cambridge Audio 540a. Lots of switchable inputs, but no sign of
anything other than audio.

Rod.

Various versions of HDMI
 

In message , Andy
Burns writes
Ian wrote:

My amp has the Freeview box, Freesat box, Blu-ray player, and Xbox all
connected to it via HDMI.
The TV is connected to it via the HDMI ARC input/output.

If I want to use the amp speakers, I bring it out of standby.

Turning my TV on/off, turns the amp on/off, maybe I could stop that if
I wanted to.

My PC is connected to the TV via HDMI, and uses either onboard sound via
the HDMI cable, or my PCI sound-card via optical to the amp.

Clear as mud?

If everything's connected to the amp (and you receive TV using STBs)
when do you make use of ARC?

The TV has it's own DVBT2 tuner, so I don't always use a STB.

With the ARC, I can send any audio source to the TV, so I can watch TV,
and listen to Radio, CD/DVD for example, with the amp on or in standby.

If the TV and amp didn't support ARC via HDMI 1.4, I would have to
listen through the amp all the time, or have a separate phono cable to
the TV's Audio In, and I'm not sure if I could tell the TV to use that
audio with broadcast video.
--
Ian

Various versions of HDMI
 

In article ,
Steve Thackery wrote:

I'm fairly sure I'm missing something here, but my approach sounds
simpler. Each box (PVR, DVD, etc) is connected to the TV with an HDMI
cable. The 'digital audio out' from the TV is connected to the
'digital in' on my amp.

Can you adjust the volume using the TV's remote? Avoiding the use of
two remotes for normal TV watching was my main reason for using the
HDMI return channel.

-- Richard

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Richard Tobin wrote:

Can you adjust the volume using the TV's remote? Avoiding the use of
two remotes for normal TV watching was my main reason for using the
HDMI return channel.

My amp has ARC, but the TV doesn't, however using CEC allows the amp to
turn on when the TV does, and the TV remote's vol+/-/mute buttons
controls the amp's volume.