Satellite v Freeview
 

In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
NY wrote:

The problem is not dish as such, it's the fact that it's usually mounted
on a wall relatively low down (eg first floor window level) whereas a TV
aerial, as well as being a bit smaller,

TV aerials are bigger than dishes.

Ours are in the loft. I prefer this as it makes self-install and changes
easer, and keeps things away from weather and large birds. Not very
practical for a sat dish, though...

Slainte,

Jim

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Satellite v Freeview
 

Mark Carver wrote:
Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:

Who cares about a chuffin little dish 18" across? They're everywhere,
haven't you noticed, like windows and doors.

IMO they look awful. I admit that I had one on my previous house. I
decided it was a bad idea when it collected a load of leaves.

Where was your previous house, on the Equator ?

Maybe the dish was mounted upside down. No, stop and think before you
scorn me! I did it once. It was on a little balcony that had an
overhang. Also there's one like that on the A17 near Sleaford, on your
right as you head east. Used to be anyway. Haven't been that way for
over a year, come to think. Went to Grantham a bit back though... can't
remember why now... or was it Newark? One of those... oh well... never
mind... fancy another cup vicar?

Bill

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On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 18:21:38 +0000, Mark Carver
wrote:

Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:

Who cares about a chuffin little dish 18" across? They're everywhere,
haven't you noticed, like windows and doors.

IMO they look awful. I admit that I had one on my previous house. I
decided it was a bad idea when it collected a load of leaves.

Where was your previous house, on the Equator ?

In the Middle East It seems to be quite common to put offset dishes on
flat roofs using their offset to increase their apparent elevation
rather than decrease it as in Europe. Not sure if they do this to
reduce wind loading or simply to reduce visual impact. I suppose they
have a drain hole, snow wont be much of an issue.

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Satellite v Freeview
 

"Woody" wrote in message
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rbel wrote in message
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From a consumer's perspective does satellite viewing have any
advantages over Freeview other than a wider selection of
stations? Is
it less prone to interference/reception problems?
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rbel


Satellite has advantages - it is less likely to breakdown for
one, and you can watch any region not just the one where you
live.

Other replies have made the usual mistake - satellite does NOT
mean Sky. Freesat is pretty well a copy of Freeview. I have
Humax boxes for Freeview HD and Freesat HD and it is a close
call between them most of the time. The extra (mainly c**p)
channels available on Sky are a bonus if you are really bored
out of your nrain but most aren't worth the trouble.

There are comments about satellite dishes and their locations
with which in the main I would agree. I would have to agree
that most dish installs are done by poorly paid poorly
motivated Sky staff who erect the dish in the easiest place
with the shortest cable run. For most houses in the UK (other
than older ones with very steep/tall roofs) the dish can 'see'
over the roof if it is 1m above the rear gutter - there is no
need for it to be on the front of the house. Likewise it does
not need to be high up provided it has clear sight roughly SSE.

Others have made comment about picture quality. Do remember
that Sky boxes run heavily *******ised software and are
notoriously deaf. My Humax Freesat box shows 90%+ signal and
quality, but any Sky box (and I have acces to three) on the
same connection shows only about 80% signal and 70% quality. OK
these are subjective and unrelated levels, but from what I have
seen the picture quality is consistently better and has less
artifacts than off any non-Sky box.

There is one real benefit of Sky: there are loads of radio
stations (many more than Freesat and including Classic FM)
generally at better audio quality than on Freeview. Incidently
don't be confused between Freesat (to which I refer) and
Freesat from Sky which is a different thing altogether.

There's an old joke: what do you find on the back of most
satellite dishes? A council house.

I rest my case, m'lud.


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Oops, where did that 'non' come from in front of Sky?


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On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 17:54:54 -0000, "Woody"
wrote:


Satellite has advantages - it is less likely to breakdown for
one, and you can watch any region not just the one where you
live.

Other replies have made the usual mistake - satellite does NOT
mean Sky. Freesat is pretty well a copy of Freeview. I have Humax
boxes for Freeview HD and Freesat HD and it is a close call
between them most of the time. The extra (mainly c**p) channels
available on Sky are a bonus if you are really bored out of your
nrain but most aren't worth the trouble.

Is there any reason for selecting Freeview HD over Freesat HD (or vice
versa) for any particular programme - is there any real discernable
difference?


There are comments about satellite dishes and their locations
with which in the main I would agree. I would have to agree that
most dish installs are done by poorly paid poorly motivated Sky
staff who erect the dish in the easiest place with the shortest
cable run. For most houses in the UK (other than older ones with
very steep/tall roofs) the dish can 'see' over the roof if it is
1m above the rear gutter - there is no need for it to be on the
front of the house. Likewise it does not need to be high up
provided it has clear sight roughly SSE.

We do have a bit of a problem with having a dish - they are not
supposed to be erected in our immediate vicinity, but there again
neither are external TV aerials. I imagine that all that is necessary
is for the installation to be discrete and not visible from the road
or adjacent woodland paths. I will have a chat with my immediate
neighbours.


Others have made comment about picture quality. Do remember that
Sky boxes run heavily *******ised software and are notoriously
deaf. My Humax Freesat box shows 90%+ signal and quality, but any
Sky box (and I have acces to three) on the same connection shows
only about 80% signal and 70% quality. OK these are subjective
and unrelated levels, but from what I have seen the picture
quality is consistently better and has less artifacts than off
any non-Sky box.

I am 99% sure that we would not be using Sky.


There is one real benefit of Sky: there are loads of radio
stations (many more than Freesat and including Classic FM)
generally at better audio quality than on Freeview. Incidently
don't be confused between Freesat (to which I refer) and Freesat
from Sky which is a different thing altogether.

I have a pretty good internet radio setup which provides me with more
stations than I can cope with.
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rbel

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"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
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Maybe we could start a business selling dish heaters to those who get a
lot of snow then?

Brian

Perhaps you could wrap some heating coils around the LNR and then send mains
power up the co-ax to achieve this?

Allan

Satellite v Freeview
 

[snip]
We do have a bit of a problem with having a dish - they are not
supposed to be erected in our immediate vicinity, but there
again
neither are external TV aerials. I imagine that all that is
necessary
is for the installation to be discrete and not visible from the
road
or adjacent woodland paths. I will have a chat with my
immediate
neighbours.



Can you define what you mean by '...bit of a problem...'?

Remember that you can run a surprisingly long cable between dish
and box, so could you hide it on the back of the shed or similar?
It can also be at ground level provided it has clear site of the
sky to the SSE.

You might do well to have a chat with your local council planning
dept to see what the exact rules are.

If you are in the country remember trees grow. It might work now
but in say five years time.....??


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Woody

harrogate three at ntlworld dot com

Satellite v Freeview
 

On 24/02/2013 18:07, Bill Wright wrote:
tim..... wrote:

My Sat stopped working last Monday because we had half an inch of snow
overnight

It's faulty then. Can you imagine the effect on Sky if everyone lost
reception after 1/2" of snow?

Bill

Were you expecting Network Rail to start making dishes?

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Jeff

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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 12:16:15 +0000, rbel wrote:

From a consumer's perspective does satellite viewing have any
advantages over Freeview other than a wider selection of stations? Is
it less prone to interference/reception problems?

A larger selection of rubbish is about it. The disadvantage is the
dish.

Who cares about a chuffin little dish 18" across? They're everywhere,
haven't you noticed, like windows and doors.

It's 'cause they're new and formerly associated with the lower classes. If
windows and doors were new people would be told to brick them up and climb
in through a hole in the roof.

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"David Kennedy" wrote in message
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On 24/02/2013 14:21, Bill Wright wrote:
Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 12:16:15 +0000, rbel wrote:

From a consumer's perspective does satellite viewing have any
advantages over Freeview other than a wider selection of stations? Is
it less prone to interference/reception problems?

A larger selection of rubbish is about it. The disadvantage is the
dish.

Who cares about a chuffin little dish 18" across? They're everywhere,
haven't you noticed, like windows and doors.

These days surely unless it's a new build, most houses have an aerial and
all new tvs sold have freeview so get a dish and you've got both. The only
real decision id SD or HD

What proportion of the various satellite flavours are HD? Are all the 'main'
ones (BBC1-4, ITV1-4, C4, E4, More4, Film4, C5, 5*, 5USA) available in HD?

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Max Demian