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Scott[_4_] February 23rd 13 02:18 PM

BBC Two HD
 
I see the BBC Two high definition channel is to be launched on 26
March:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/lat...bc-two-hd.html

As I understand it, this is to be a single version for the whole UK
without opt-outs for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

What is the logic behind this? If BBC One Scotland is shown in HD (in
Scotland) and STV is shown in HD in Scotland, why not BBC Two Scotland
rather than BBC Two 'London'? If they are making up a tartan mux, why
not include BBC Two Scotland?

There may of course be benefits in allowing viewers in Scotland to
avoid Newsnight Scotland in the run-up to the referendum!

Peter Duncanson February 23rd 13 02:42 PM

BBC Two HD
 
On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 13:18:17 +0000, Scott
wrote:

I see the BBC Two high definition channel is to be launched on 26
March:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/lat...bc-two-hd.html

As I understand it, this is to be a single version for the whole UK
without opt-outs for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

What is the logic behind this? If BBC One Scotland is shown in HD (in
Scotland) and STV is shown in HD in Scotland, why not BBC Two Scotland
rather than BBC Two 'London'? If they are making up a tartan mux, why
not include BBC Two Scotland?

This change applies to satellite channels as well. To make opt-outs
possible for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland would need an extra 3
HD satellite channels. This would cost money even assuming that there is
capacity on the transponders.

There may of course be benefits in allowing viewers in Scotland to
avoid Newsnight Scotland in the run-up to the referendum!


--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

Rick February 23rd 13 02:46 PM

BBC Two HD
 


"Scott" wrote in message
...
I see the BBC Two high definition channel is to be launched on 26
March:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/lat...bc-two-hd.html

As I understand it, this is to be a single version for the whole UK
without opt-outs for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

What is the logic behind this? If BBC One Scotland is shown in HD (in
Scotland) and STV is shown in HD in Scotland, why not BBC Two Scotland
rather than BBC Two 'London'? If they are making up a tartan mux, why
not include BBC Two Scotland?

There may of course be benefits in allowing viewers in Scotland to
avoid Newsnight Scotland in the run-up to the referendum!


"BBC Two HD will replace the existing BBC HD Channel."

So what have they done with the HD slot they pinched from Channel 5?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2013/bbc-two-hd.html

"The Richard Desmond-owned broadcaster has dropped plans to launch Channel 5
HD on Freeview in April 2012, Ofcom said that the spare capacity will be
handed back to the BBC, and it will be up to the corporation to decide the
future of the additional HD network."

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/media/news/a356343/channel-5-rules-out-hd-channel-launch-on-freeview.html








Jim Lesurf[_2_] February 23rd 13 02:52 PM

BBC Two HD
 
In article , Scott
wrote:
I see the BBC Two high definition channel is to be launched on 26 March:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/lat...bc-two-hd.html


As I understand it, this is to be a single version for the whole UK
without opt-outs for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.


What is the logic behind this?


There may of course be benefits in allowing viewers in Scotland to avoid
Newsnight Scotland in the run-up to the referendum!


It may also allow us the priviledge of being able to view/hear the first
half of the Last Night of the Proms via DTTV HDTV. At present DTTV SD BBC2
in Scotland routinely replaces that with a 'tartan and shortbread
flavoured' concert from Dundee. Annoying as the first half generally has
the focus on the music rather than the flag-waving and includes items that
are sometimes rarely performed.

So I'm hoping you are correct in your understanding! Truimph for music over
the urge of BBC Scotland to 'promote' itself by shoving in the way.

Slainte,

Jim

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Ian February 23rd 13 03:28 PM

BBC Two HD
 
In message , Rick writes


"Scott" wrote in message
.. .
I see the BBC Two high definition channel is to be launched on 26
March:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/lat...bc-two-hd.html

As I understand it, this is to be a single version for the whole UK
without opt-outs for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

What is the logic behind this? If BBC One Scotland is shown in HD (in
Scotland) and STV is shown in HD in Scotland, why not BBC Two Scotland
rather than BBC Two 'London'? If they are making up a tartan mux, why
not include BBC Two Scotland?

There may of course be benefits in allowing viewers in Scotland to
avoid Newsnight Scotland in the run-up to the referendum!


"BBC Two HD will replace the existing BBC HD Channel."

So what have they done with the HD slot they pinched from Channel 5?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2013/bbc-two-hd.html

"The Richard Desmond-owned broadcaster has dropped plans to launch
Channel 5 HD on Freeview in April 2012, Ofcom said that the spare
capacity will be handed back to the BBC, and it will be up to the
corporation to decide the future of the additional HD network."

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/media/ne...rules-out-hd-c
hannel-launch-on-freeview.html






I guess that would be Freeview 303.
--
Ian

Brian Gaff February 23rd 13 04:03 PM

BBC Two HD
 
I had no idea that there were opt outs on 2 these days. Get rid of those to
save moneyperhaps?
Brian

--
From the Sofa of Brian Gaff Reply address is active
"Peter Duncanson" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 13:18:17 +0000, Scott
wrote:

I see the BBC Two high definition channel is to be launched on 26
March:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/lat...bc-two-hd.html

As I understand it, this is to be a single version for the whole UK
without opt-outs for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

What is the logic behind this? If BBC One Scotland is shown in HD (in
Scotland) and STV is shown in HD in Scotland, why not BBC Two Scotland
rather than BBC Two 'London'? If they are making up a tartan mux, why
not include BBC Two Scotland?

This change applies to satellite channels as well. To make opt-outs
possible for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland would need an extra 3
HD satellite channels. This would cost money even assuming that there is
capacity on the transponders.

There may of course be benefits in allowing viewers in Scotland to
avoid Newsnight Scotland in the run-up to the referendum!


--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)




Rick February 23rd 13 04:04 PM

BBC Two HD
 


"Ian" wrote in message
...
In message , Rick writes


"Scott" wrote in message
. ..
I see the BBC Two high definition channel is to be launched on 26
March:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/lat...bc-two-hd.html

As I understand it, this is to be a single version for the whole UK
without opt-outs for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

What is the logic behind this? If BBC One Scotland is shown in HD (in
Scotland) and STV is shown in HD in Scotland, why not BBC Two Scotland
rather than BBC Two 'London'? If they are making up a tartan mux, why
not include BBC Two Scotland?

There may of course be benefits in allowing viewers in Scotland to
avoid Newsnight Scotland in the run-up to the referendum!


"BBC Two HD will replace the existing BBC HD Channel."

So what have they done with the HD slot they pinched from Channel 5?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2013/bbc-two-hd.html

"The Richard Desmond-owned broadcaster has dropped plans to launch Channel
5 HD on Freeview in April 2012, Ofcom said that the spare capacity will be
handed back to the BBC, and it will be up to the corporation to decide the
future of the additional HD network."

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/media/ne...rules-out-hd-c
hannel-launch-on-freeview.html






I guess that would be Freeview 303.


Yes, what's that all about Ian? just seems to have been sat there for
months, doing sweet FA as far as I can see.









Peter Duncanson February 23rd 13 05:41 PM

BBC Two HD
 
On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 15:03:35 -0000, "Brian Gaff"
wrote:

I had no idea that there were opt outs on 2 these days. Get rid of those to
save moneyperhaps?
Brian


The BBC wouldn't necessarily be getting rid of them. They could still be
shown on BBC 2 standard definition.

The opt-outs on BBC 2 Northern Ireland are of three main types: sport,
Irish language programmes and parliamentary reports.

For example last Wednesday the 19th an Irish language programme was
broadcast in place of "Flog It!", an antiques buying and selling show.

Yesterday, Friday the 22nd, two hours from seven thirty pm to nine
thirty pm a rugby match between Ulster and Glasgow Warriors was shown
live.

On weekdays there is a thirty minute report of proceedings in the
Northern Ireland parliamentary assembly. That immediately follows
Newsnight. I don't know whether these programmes are strictly speaking
opt-outs because the shows they replace are sometimes broadcast at a
later time or date or were repeats anyway.

--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

Richard Tobin February 23rd 13 05:54 PM

BBC Two HD
 
In article ,
Jim Lesurf wrote:

It may also allow us the priviledge of being able to view/hear the first
half of the Last Night of the Proms via DTTV HDTV.


More likely it will allow you to watch a screen saying "BBC 2 HD is
not available in your region at this time".

-- Richard

Rick February 23rd 13 05:58 PM

BBC Two HD
 


"Peter Duncanson" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 13:18:17 +0000, Scott
wrote:

I see the BBC Two high definition channel is to be launched on 26
March:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/lat...bc-two-hd.html

As I understand it, this is to be a single version for the whole UK
without opt-outs for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

What is the logic behind this? If BBC One Scotland is shown in HD (in
Scotland) and STV is shown in HD in Scotland, why not BBC Two Scotland
rather than BBC Two 'London'? If they are making up a tartan mux, why
not include BBC Two Scotland?

This change applies to satellite channels as well. To make opt-outs
possible for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland would need an extra 3
HD satellite channels. This would cost money even assuming that there is
capacity on the transponders.

There may of course be benefits in allowing viewers in Scotland to
avoid Newsnight Scotland in the run-up to the referendum!



If Scotland votes for total independence, then they'll be requiring their
own national broadcaster.





..


Scott[_4_] February 23rd 13 06:32 PM

BBC Two HD
 
On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 16:58:32 -0000, "Rick" wrote:



"Peter Duncanson" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 13:18:17 +0000, Scott
wrote:

I see the BBC Two high definition channel is to be launched on 26
March:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/lat...bc-two-hd.html

As I understand it, this is to be a single version for the whole UK
without opt-outs for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

What is the logic behind this? If BBC One Scotland is shown in HD (in
Scotland) and STV is shown in HD in Scotland, why not BBC Two Scotland
rather than BBC Two 'London'? If they are making up a tartan mux, why
not include BBC Two Scotland?

This change applies to satellite channels as well. To make opt-outs
possible for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland would need an extra 3
HD satellite channels. This would cost money even assuming that there is
capacity on the transponders.

There may of course be benefits in allowing viewers in Scotland to
avoid Newsnight Scotland in the run-up to the referendum!



If Scotland votes for total independence, then they'll be requiring their
own national broadcaster.

Or set up a satellite dish and rely on the 'England' footprint
extending into Scotland :-)

Scott[_4_] February 23rd 13 06:35 PM

BBC Two HD
 
On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 16:54:33 +0000 (UTC),
(Richard Tobin) wrote:

In article ,
Jim Lesurf wrote:

It may also allow us the priviledge of being able to view/hear the first
half of the Last Night of the Proms via DTTV HDTV.


More likely it will allow you to watch a screen saying "BBC 2 HD is
not available in your region at this time".

Yes, but if it is a single service viewers in England would receive
the same message!

So at 11 pm all viewers would receive a message saying that the
programme (ie, Newsnight Scotland, Newsnight non-Scotland) is not
currently available in your region. Please retune to channel 002.

Rick February 23rd 13 06:54 PM

BBC Two HD
 


"Scott" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 16:58:32 -0000, "Rick" wrote:



"Peter Duncanson" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 13:18:17 +0000, Scott
wrote:

I see the BBC Two high definition channel is to be launched on 26
March:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/lat...bc-two-hd.html

As I understand it, this is to be a single version for the whole UK
without opt-outs for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

What is the logic behind this? If BBC One Scotland is shown in HD (in
Scotland) and STV is shown in HD in Scotland, why not BBC Two Scotland
rather than BBC Two 'London'? If they are making up a tartan mux, why
not include BBC Two Scotland?

This change applies to satellite channels as well. To make opt-outs
possible for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland would need an extra 3
HD satellite channels. This would cost money even assuming that there is
capacity on the transponders.

There may of course be benefits in allowing viewers in Scotland to
avoid Newsnight Scotland in the run-up to the referendum!


If Scotland votes for total independence, then they'll be requiring their
own national broadcaster.

Or set up a satellite dish and rely on the 'England' footprint
extending into Scotland :-)


Just one of many issues that will rear its head to make independence
extremely problematic.





















Peter Duncanson February 23rd 13 07:16 PM

BBC Two HD
 
On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 16:58:32 -0000, "Rick" wrote:



"Peter Duncanson" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 13:18:17 +0000, Scott
wrote:

I see the BBC Two high definition channel is to be launched on 26
March:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/lat...bc-two-hd.html

As I understand it, this is to be a single version for the whole UK
without opt-outs for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

What is the logic behind this? If BBC One Scotland is shown in HD (in
Scotland) and STV is shown in HD in Scotland, why not BBC Two Scotland
rather than BBC Two 'London'? If they are making up a tartan mux, why
not include BBC Two Scotland?

This change applies to satellite channels as well. To make opt-outs
possible for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland would need an extra 3
HD satellite channels. This would cost money even assuming that there is
capacity on the transponders.

There may of course be benefits in allowing viewers in Scotland to
avoid Newsnight Scotland in the run-up to the referendum!



If Scotland votes for total independence, then they'll be requiring their
own national broadcaster.


Being proudly and stubbornly independent they will build their own
rocket and launch their own satellite into orbit.


--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

JohnT[_7_] February 23rd 13 08:58 PM

BBC Two HD
 

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
In article , Scott
wrote:
I see the BBC Two high definition channel is to be launched on 26 March:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/lat...bc-two-hd.html


As I understand it, this is to be a single version for the whole UK
without opt-outs for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.


What is the logic behind this?


There may of course be benefits in allowing viewers in Scotland to avoid
Newsnight Scotland in the run-up to the referendum!


It may also allow us the priviledge of being able to view/hear the first
half of the Last Night of the Proms via DTTV HDTV. At present DTTV SD BBC2
in Scotland routinely replaces that with a 'tartan and shortbread
flavoured' concert from Dundee. Annoying as the first half generally has
the focus on the music rather than the flag-waving and includes items that
are sometimes rarely performed.

So I'm hoping you are correct in your understanding! Truimph for music
over
the urge of BBC Scotland to 'promote' itself by shoving in the way.


I am considering reporting you to Alex and Nicola.

--
JohnT


Paul Ratcliffe February 24th 13 01:52 AM

BBC Two HD
 
On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 18:16:36 +0000, Peter Duncanson
wrote:

Being proudly and stubbornly independent they will build their own
rocket and launch their own satellite into orbit.


But they'd have to put it into orbit above Scotland (at least some
of the time) rather than the equator.

Ian February 24th 13 04:17 AM

BBC Two HD
 
In message , Peter Duncanson
writes
On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 16:58:32 -0000, "Rick" wrote:



"Peter Duncanson" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 13:18:17 +0000, Scott
wrote:

I see the BBC Two high definition channel is to be launched on 26
March:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/lat...bc-two-hd.html

As I understand it, this is to be a single version for the whole UK
without opt-outs for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

What is the logic behind this? If BBC One Scotland is shown in HD (in
Scotland) and STV is shown in HD in Scotland, why not BBC Two Scotland
rather than BBC Two 'London'? If they are making up a tartan mux, why
not include BBC Two Scotland?

This change applies to satellite channels as well. To make opt-outs
possible for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland would need an extra 3
HD satellite channels. This would cost money even assuming that there is
capacity on the transponders.

There may of course be benefits in allowing viewers in Scotland to
avoid Newsnight Scotland in the run-up to the referendum!


If Scotland votes for total independence, then they'll be requiring their
own national broadcaster.


Being proudly and stubbornly independent they will build their own
rocket and launch their own satellite into orbit.


Hopefully, with Trump on it.
--
Ian

Ian February 24th 13 04:20 AM

BBC Two HD
 
In message , Richard Tobin
writes
In article ,
Jim Lesurf wrote:

It may also allow us the priviledge of being able to view/hear the first
half of the Last Night of the Proms via DTTV HDTV.


More likely it will allow you to watch a screen saying "BBC 2 HD is
not available in your region at this time".

-- Richard


Or, "Last Night of the Poms is not available in your region at any
time".
--
Ian

alan February 24th 13 06:55 AM

BBC Two HD
 
On 23/02/2013 22:51, Martin wrote:


Similar to BBC1 HD not showing local news.


They spend millions on promoting Jimmy Savile and yet they cannot spend
a few pennies to show the Potter's wheel when they cannot be bothered to
broadcast on a channel.


--
mailto:news{at}admac(dot}myzen{dot}co{dot}uk

Mark Carver February 24th 13 10:21 AM

BBC Two HD
 
Scott wrote:
I see the BBC Two high definition channel is to be launched on 26
March:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/lat...bc-two-hd.html

As I understand it, this is to be a single version for the whole UK
without opt-outs for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

What is the logic behind this? If BBC One Scotland is shown in HD (in
Scotland) and STV is shown in HD in Scotland, why not BBC Two Scotland
rather than BBC Two 'London'? If they are making up a tartan mux, why
not include BBC Two Scotland?


Because under DQF proposals, BBC 2 'nations' are to be ditched within
the next couple of years, and presumably the programming transferred
to the BBC 1 nations.

--
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

www.paras.org.uk

charles February 24th 13 10:44 AM

BBC Two HD
 
In article ,
Mark Carver wrote:
Scott wrote:
I see the BBC Two high definition channel is to be launched on 26
March:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/lat...bc-two-hd.html

As I understand it, this is to be a single version for the whole UK
without opt-outs for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

What is the logic behind this? If BBC One Scotland is shown in HD (in
Scotland) and STV is shown in HD in Scotland, why not BBC Two Scotland
rather than BBC Two 'London'? If they are making up a tartan mux, why
not include BBC Two Scotland?


Because under DQF proposals, BBC 2 'nations' are to be ditched within
the next couple of years, and presumably the programming transferred
to the BBC 1 nations.


except during the Olympic games when all regional/national progarmmes are
transferred to BBC2 ;-)

--
From KT24

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18


charles February 24th 13 11:29 AM

BBC Two HD
 
In article ,
Martin wrote:
On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 00:52:30 GMT, Paul Ratcliffe
wrote:


On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 18:16:36 +0000, Peter Duncanson
wrote:

Being proudly and stubbornly independent they will build their own
rocket and launch their own satellite into orbit.


But they'd have to put it into orbit above Scotland (at least some
of the time) rather than the equator.


because?


to allow a very tight beam to serve Scotland only, perhaps?

--
From KT24

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18


Clive[_3_] February 24th 13 12:59 PM

BBC Two HD
 
In message , alan
writes
They spend millions on promoting Jimmy Savile and yet they cannot spend
a few pennies to show the Potter's wheel when they cannot be bothered
to broadcast on a channel.

By the potters wheel, I take it that you mean the one that used to be
shown during the intermissions on the old 405 transmissions before ITV?
--
Clive

Peter Duncanson February 24th 13 01:58 PM

BBC Two HD
 
On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 11:22:13 +0100, Martin wrote:

On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 18:16:36 +0000, Peter Duncanson
wrote:

On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 16:58:32 -0000, "Rick" wrote:



"Peter Duncanson" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 13:18:17 +0000, Scott
wrote:

I see the BBC Two high definition channel is to be launched on 26
March:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/lat...bc-two-hd.html

As I understand it, this is to be a single version for the whole UK
without opt-outs for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

What is the logic behind this? If BBC One Scotland is shown in HD (in
Scotland) and STV is shown in HD in Scotland, why not BBC Two Scotland
rather than BBC Two 'London'? If they are making up a tartan mux, why
not include BBC Two Scotland?

This change applies to satellite channels as well. To make opt-outs
possible for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland would need an extra 3
HD satellite channels. This would cost money even assuming that there is
capacity on the transponders.

There may of course be benefits in allowing viewers in Scotland to
avoid Newsnight Scotland in the run-up to the referendum!


If Scotland votes for total independence, then they'll be requiring their
own national broadcaster.


Being proudly and stubbornly independent they will build their own
rocket and launch their own satellite into orbit.


Communication satellites used by UK are launched by Arianespace, with
zero British involvement and either built by Astrium a predominantly
Franco German company or by American companies. BAe sold their
interests in spacecraft production long ago.


Indeed. But I was suggesting, satirically, that Scotland outside the UK
would want to do the whole job indepedently of anyone else.

--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

Paul Ratcliffe February 24th 13 01:58 PM

BBC Two HD
 
On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 11:22:58 +0100, Martin wrote:

Being proudly and stubbornly independent they will build their own
rocket and launch their own satellite into orbit.


But they'd have to put it into orbit above Scotland (at least some
of the time) rather than the equator.


because?


Because they're Scottish of course.

Bill Wright[_2_] February 24th 13 02:40 PM

BBC Two HD
 
Martin wrote:

I meant why put it in an orbit over Scotland ever? It would be in a
geostationary orbit over the equator just like other countries'
communication satellites are.


That's just a silly restriction. I suppose the Common Market is behind
it. We should be able to put satellites anywhere we like. I'm voting UKIP.

Ian Jackson[_2_] February 24th 13 03:13 PM

BBC Two HD
 
In message , Bill Wright
writes
Martin wrote:

I meant why put it in an orbit over Scotland ever? It would be in a
geostationary orbit over the equator just like other countries'
communication satellites are.


That's just a silly restriction. I suppose the Common Market is behind
it. We should be able to put satellites anywhere we like. I'm voting
UKIP.


There are obvious snags in placing and keeping a geostationary satellite
in position above Scotland, However, couldn't they transmit from a
satellite dangling from a tethered hot-air balloon, filled with the
inexhaustible supply of the hot air that the SNP spouts about the
advantages of complete independence?
--
Ian

Bill Wright[_2_] February 24th 13 03:25 PM

BBC Two HD
 
Ian Jackson wrote:

There are obvious snags in placing and keeping a geostationary satellite
in position above Scotland


It's only a matter of keeping it still. I think fishing line would do
it. Three lengths, tethered to widely spaced places in Scotland, would
be enough.

Incidentally I see that the Scottish wind turbines are actually a net
contributor to global warming, because of the amount of peat their
construction has disturbed.

Bill

Roger Wilmut February 24th 13 05:19 PM

BBC Two HD
 
In article ,
Clive wrote:

In message , alan
writes
They spend millions on promoting Jimmy Savile and yet they cannot spend
a few pennies to show the Potter's wheel when they cannot be bothered
to broadcast on a channel.

By the potters wheel, I take it that you mean the one that used to be
shown during the intermissions on the old 405 transmissions before ITV?


Not ITV: it was one of a number of interlude films used by the BBC to
fill several minute gaps between programmes in the early 1950s - others
included windmills and Snowy the kitten. The Potter's Wheel film can be
seen he

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUzGF401vLc

Ian Jackson[_2_] February 24th 13 06:06 PM

BBC Two HD
 
In message , Bill Wright
writes
Ian Jackson wrote:

There are obvious snags in placing and keeping a geostationary
satellite in position above Scotland


It's only a matter of keeping it still. I think fishing line would do
it. Three lengths, tethered to widely spaced places in Scotland, would
be enough.

Incidentally I see that the Scottish wind turbines are actually a net
contributor to global warming, because of the amount of peat their
construction has disturbed.

So what do they do with the peat they disturb? Surely they don't just
burn it? Of course, I suppose it could always be used as fuel for power
stations. ;o)
--
Ian

Scott[_4_] February 24th 13 08:48 PM

BBC Two HD
 
On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 16:19:56 +0000, Roger Wilmut
wrote:

In article ,
Clive wrote:

In message , alan
writes
They spend millions on promoting Jimmy Savile and yet they cannot spend
a few pennies to show the Potter's wheel when they cannot be bothered
to broadcast on a channel.

By the potters wheel, I take it that you mean the one that used to be
shown during the intermissions on the old 405 transmissions before ITV?


Not ITV: it was one of a number of interlude films used by the BBC to
fill several minute gaps between programmes in the early 1950s - others
included windmills and Snowy the kitten. The Potter's Wheel film can be
seen he

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUzGF401vLc


He's not saying it was on ITV, but shown before ITV (ie before ITV
started in 1955).

Max Demian February 24th 13 11:36 PM

BBC Two HD
 
"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
Ian Jackson wrote:

There are obvious snags in placing and keeping a geostationary satellite
in position above Scotland


It's only a matter of keeping it still. I think fishing line would do it.
Three lengths, tethered to widely spaced places in Scotland, would be
enough.


It just occurred to me: if things like 'space elevators' are possible,
satellites could have a wired uplink and power supply which would enable
them to carry a lot more channels and be much more powerful. (I must be the
next Arthur C Clarke.)

--
Max Demian



Paul Ratcliffe February 24th 13 11:54 PM

BBC Two HD
 
On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 09:44:43 +0000 (GMT), charles
wrote:

Because under DQF proposals, BBC 2 'nations' are to be ditched within
the next couple of years, and presumably the programming transferred
to the BBC 1 nations.


except during the Olympic games when all regional/national progarmmes are
transferred to BBC2 ;-)


What are you wittering on about? No regional/national programmes were
transferred to BBC2 during the Olympic games.

anon February 25th 13 12:49 AM

BBC Two HD
 
On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 13:18:17 +0000, Scott wrote:

why not BBC Two Scotland rather than BBC Two 'London'?


Demographic fact of the day:

A 'Yorkshire' regional variant of BBC One or BBC Two would have a larger target
audience than Scotland, or Wales, or Northern Ireland.


--

Andy Champ[_2_] February 25th 13 10:13 AM

BBC Two HD
 
On 24/02/2013 17:06, Ian Jackson wrote:
So what do they do with the peat they disturb? Surely they don't just
burn it? Of course, I suppose it could always be used as fuel for power
stations. ;o)


Once you drain a peat bog it starts to rot. I guess the disturbance
exposes some of the peat to the air.

Andy

Jim Lesurf[_2_] February 25th 13 10:33 AM

BBC Two HD
 
In article , Max Demian
wrote:
"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
Ian Jackson wrote:

There are obvious snags in placing and keeping a geostationary
satellite in position above Scotland


It's only a matter of keeping it still. I think fishing line would do
it. Three lengths, tethered to widely spaced places in Scotland,
would be enough.


It just occurred to me: if things like 'space elevators' are possible,
satellites could have a wired uplink and power supply which would enable
them to carry a lot more channels and be much more powerful. (I must be
the next Arthur C Clarke.)


There have already been a number of projects using aircraft, etc, as
platforms for broadcasting. However this method doesn't seem to have, erm,
'taken off' for wide audience domestic uses. :-)

I assume broadcasters are looking at either satellite or internet. In the
end internet probably makes most sense for all 'fixed' reception. But
requires the powers-that-be to take wide broadband provision more seriously
and not "leave it to the market" which just cherry-picks.

I'd be much happier about the way DTTV is being crushed if the Government
told the 4G companies that part of the 'price' would be for them to ensure
that 99 percent of UK households had reliable broadband at rates adequate
for, say, two symultaneous HDTV feeds. But of course, the 4G companies
don't want this as it may cut their income from getting people to pay them
for TV for their 'mobiles'.

Slainte,

Jim

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Roger Wilmut February 25th 13 11:02 AM

BBC Two HD
 
In article ,
Scott wrote:

On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 16:19:56 +0000, Roger Wilmut
wrote:

In article ,
Clive wrote:

In message , alan
writes
They spend millions on promoting Jimmy Savile and yet they cannot spend
a few pennies to show the Potter's wheel when they cannot be bothered
to broadcast on a channel.
By the potters wheel, I take it that you mean the one that used to be
shown during the intermissions on the old 405 transmissions before ITV?


Not ITV: it was one of a number of interlude films used by the BBC to
fill several minute gaps between programmes in the early 1950s - others
included windmills and Snowy the kitten. The Potter's Wheel film can be
seen he

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUzGF401vLc


He's not saying it was on ITV, but shown before ITV (ie before ITV
started in 1955).


Yes, that probably is what he meant. I don't know how long they went on
using them - it was years before they started cluttering up every
programme junction with endless trailers (if I see 'Much have I
travelled...' many more times I may throw something) though they did
tighten up their programme timings somewhat.

Rick February 25th 13 12:00 PM

BBC Two HD
 


"Paul Ratcliffe" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 11:22:58 +0100, Martin wrote:

Being proudly and stubbornly independent they will build their own
rocket and launch their own satellite into orbit.

But they'd have to put it into orbit above Scotland (at least some
of the time) rather than the equator.


because?


Because they're Scottish of course.


Dunno about the Scots launching their first satellite, but this was the
first Irish attempt to land a man on the moon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nfz9O_mSY1U


Peter Duncanson February 25th 13 01:38 PM

BBC Two HD
 
On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 11:15:52 +0100, Martin wrote:

On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 12:58:13 +0000, Peter Duncanson
wrote:

On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 11:22:13 +0100, Martin wrote:

On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 18:16:36 +0000, Peter Duncanson
wrote:

On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 16:58:32 -0000, "Rick" wrote:



"Peter Duncanson" wrote in message
om...
On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 13:18:17 +0000, Scott
wrote:

I see the BBC Two high definition channel is to be launched on 26
March:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/lat...bc-two-hd.html

As I understand it, this is to be a single version for the whole UK
without opt-outs for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

What is the logic behind this? If BBC One Scotland is shown in HD (in
Scotland) and STV is shown in HD in Scotland, why not BBC Two Scotland
rather than BBC Two 'London'? If they are making up a tartan mux, why
not include BBC Two Scotland?

This change applies to satellite channels as well. To make opt-outs
possible for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland would need an extra 3
HD satellite channels. This would cost money even assuming that there is
capacity on the transponders.

There may of course be benefits in allowing viewers in Scotland to
avoid Newsnight Scotland in the run-up to the referendum!


If Scotland votes for total independence, then they'll be requiring their
own national broadcaster.


Being proudly and stubbornly independent they will build their own
rocket and launch their own satellite into orbit.

Communication satellites used by UK are launched by Arianespace, with
zero British involvement and either built by Astrium a predominantly
Franco German company or by American companies. BAe sold their
interests in spacecraft production long ago.


Indeed. But I was suggesting, satirically, that Scotland outside the UK
would want to do the whole job indepedently of anyone else.


Just like the French did. Do you find that a bad thing?


There's nothing specifically wrong with it, but Scotland is a much
smaller country that France and it would need a much larger proportion
of its national financial resources to do the job.

--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

Max Demian February 25th 13 01:53 PM

BBC Two HD
 
"Roger Wilmut" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Scott wrote:

On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 16:19:56 +0000, Roger Wilmut
wrote:

In article ,
Clive wrote:

In message , alan
writes
They spend millions on promoting Jimmy Savile and yet they cannot
spend
a few pennies to show the Potter's wheel when they cannot be bothered
to broadcast on a channel.
By the potters wheel, I take it that you mean the one that used to be
shown during the intermissions on the old 405 transmissions before
ITV?

Not ITV: it was one of a number of interlude films used by the BBC to
fill several minute gaps between programmes in the early 1950s - others
included windmills and Snowy the kitten. The Potter's Wheel film can be
seen he

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUzGF401vLc


He's not saying it was on ITV, but shown before ITV (ie before ITV
started in 1955).


Yes, that probably is what he meant. I don't know how long they went on
using them - it was years before they started cluttering up every
programme junction with endless trailers (if I see 'Much have I
travelled...' many more times I may throw something) though they did
tighten up their programme timings somewhat.


I thought that the potter's wheel interlude was to give you a chance to go
to the bog (or make a pot of tea).

--
Max Demian




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