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[email protected] January 11th 13 02:17 PM

childhood inventions
 
I was brought up in a house that was a few hundred yards from the edge of a vast estate of council and NCB houses. If anyone's interested it was on Middlegate, Scawthorpe, Doncaster. We often used to walk up the hill to the field at the side of the quarry, from where there was a view across the estate and also across parts of Bentley. I used to fantasise about broadcasting to the estate from there, by light. I would set up a powerful lamp that would be modulated by audio. I knew a filament wouldn't respond quickly enough, but I didn't know anything else that would, so I just hoped that sopmething would turn up. Each receiver would have a large parabolic mirror mounted somewhere high up enough to see my lantern, with a photocell at the focal point. I remember talking to my science-inclined form master about this, so that means I must have been first year secondary. Twelve or thirteen I suppose.

I don't know why this came to mind, but I just wondered if anyone else had mad inventions when they were a kid...

Bill

Ian Jackson[_2_] January 11th 13 02:53 PM

childhood inventions
 
In message ,
writes
I was brought up in a house that was a few hundred yards from the edge
of a vast estate of council and NCB houses. If anyone's interested it
was on Middlegate, Scawthorpe, Doncaster. We often used to walk up the
hill to the field at the side of the quarry, from where there was a
view across the estate and also across parts of Bentley. I used to
fantasise about broadcasting to the estate from there, by light. I
would set up a powerful lamp that would be modulated by audio. I knew a
filament wouldn't respond quickly enough, but I didn't know anything
else that would, so I just hoped that sopmething would turn up. Each
receiver would have a large parabolic mirror mounted somewhere high up
enough to see my lantern, with a photocell at the focal point. I
remember talking to my science-inclined form master about this, so that
means I must have been first year secondary. Twelve or thirteen I suppose.

I don't know why this came to mind, but I just wondered if anyone else
had mad inventions when they were a kid...

ISTR that when I was also a lad (or, at least, a teenager) there were
several projects (probably Practical Wireless and similar) using an
OCP44 (or an OC44 with the paint scraped off) as the light-sensitive
diode detector, and a torch bulb as the transmitter. Obviously, the
frequency response was rather limited, but maybe they compensated by
applying lots of pre-emphasis to the audio.
--
Ian

John Legon January 11th 13 03:34 PM

childhood inventions
 
wrote:
I was brought up in a house that was a few hundred yards from the edge of a vast estate of council and NCB houses. If anyone's interested it was on Middlegate, Scawthorpe, Doncaster. We often used to walk up the hill to the field at the side of the quarry, from where there was a view across the estate and also across parts of Bentley. I used to fantasise about broadcasting to the estate from there, by light. I would set up a powerful lamp that would be modulated by audio. I knew a filament wouldn't respond quickly enough, but I didn't know anything else that would, so I just hoped that sopmething would turn up. Each receiver would have a large parabolic mirror mounted somewhere high up enough to see my lantern, with a photocell at the focal point. I remember talking to my science-inclined form master about this, so that means I must have been first year secondary. Twelve or thirteen I suppose.


I did something similar when I was a couple of years older with a neon
panel lamp mounted in a bicycle lamp as transmitter, and a photocell in
a toilet roll with a magnifying glass at one end as receiver. I had no
ambitions to broadcast to the estate, but was happy with a modulated
light beam that transmitted music across my bedroom...

Not exactly hi-fi, but it worked.

the dog from that film you saw[_3_] January 11th 13 04:55 PM

childhood inventions
 
On 11/01/2013 13:17, wrote:
I was brought up in a house that was a few hundred yards from the edge of a vast estate of council and NCB houses. If anyone's interested it was on Middlegate, Scawthorpe, Doncaster. We often used to walk up the hill to the field at the side of the quarry, from where there was a view across the estate and also across parts of Bentley. I used to fantasise about broadcasting to the estate from there, by light. I would set up a powerful lamp that would be modulated by audio. I knew a filament wouldn't respond quickly enough, but I didn't know anything else that would, so I just hoped that sopmething would turn up. Each receiver would have a large parabolic mirror mounted somewhere high up enough to see my lantern, with a photocell at the focal point. I remember talking to my science-inclined form master about this, so that means I must have been first year secondary. Twelve or thirteen I suppose.

I don't know why this came to mind, but I just wondered if anyone else had mad inventions when they were a kid...

Bill




i invented flash before adobe - in my head.
it simply occured to me one day that websites could be far more animated
and exciting than they were (this was in dialup days) if they generated
their own graphics with polygons,with maths, instead of having to
download them at a great cost of time.
and then adobe programmed it and people hated them for it ever since.

--
Gareth.
That fly.... Is your magic wand.

Max Demian January 11th 13 05:09 PM

childhood inventions
 
"the dog from that film you saw" wrote in
message ...

i invented flash before adobe - in my head.
it simply occured to me one day that websites could be far more animated
and exciting than they were (this was in dialup days) if they generated
their own graphics with polygons,with maths, instead of having to download
them at a great cost of time.
and then adobe programmed it and people hated them for it ever since.


I hate the way Adobe Flash keep trying to con you into installing Google
Chrome with their unnecessary upgrades. Once installed Chrome is impossible
to get rid of without screwing other things up.

--
Max Demian



Kennedy McEwen[_2_] January 11th 13 05:13 PM

childhood inventions
 
In message ,
writes
I was brought up in a house that was a few hundred yards from the edge
of a vast estate of council and NCB houses. If anyone's interested it
was on Middlegate, Scawthorpe, Doncaster. We often used to walk up the
hill to the field at the side of the quarry, from where there was a
view across the estate and also across parts of Bentley. I used to
fantasise about broadcasting to the estate from there, by light. I
would set up a powerful lamp that would be modulated by audio. I knew a
filament wouldn't respond quickly enough, but I didn't know anything
else that would, so I just hoped that sopmething would turn up. Each
receiver would have a large parabolic mirror mounted somewhere high up
enough to see my lantern, with a photocell at the focal point. I
remember talking to my science-inclined form master about this, so that
means I must have been first year secondary. Twelve or thirteen I suppose.

I don't know why this came to mind, but I just wondered if anyone else
had mad inventions when they were a kid...

I remember doing something similar in the physics lab at school when I
was about the same age. The school had just acquired a He:Ne laser and
we pointed it to a mirror glued onto a voice-coil. The reflected laser
beam travelled down the corridor to a photodiode behind some ground
glass. When audio was fed to the voice-coil the mirror moved,
deflecting the laser beam a little, modulating the signal on the
photodiode, the output of which was fed to an amplifier and speaker.

More than a decade later, at work, I designed and built an underwater
video transmission system for communication between submarines using
essentially the same technique, but with an acousto-optic modulator
instead of a voice-coil.
--
Kennedy


Stephen Wolstenholme[_2_] January 11th 13 05:21 PM

childhood inventions
 
On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 16:09:01 -0000, "Max Demian"
wrote:

"the dog from that film you saw" wrote in
message ...

i invented flash before adobe - in my head.
it simply occured to me one day that websites could be far more animated
and exciting than they were (this was in dialup days) if they generated
their own graphics with polygons,with maths, instead of having to download
them at a great cost of time.
and then adobe programmed it and people hated them for it ever since.


I hate the way Adobe Flash keep trying to con you into installing Google
Chrome with their unnecessary upgrades. Once installed Chrome is impossible
to get rid of without screwing other things up.


Chrome does not need to have the automatic upgrades option set and the
uninstaller at
http://support.google.com/chrome/bin...n&answer=95319
works perfectly.

Steve

--
EasyNN-plus. Neural Networks plus. http://www.easynn.com
SwingNN. Forecast with Neural Networks. http://www.swingnn.com
JustNN. Just Neural Networks. http://www.justnn.com


Graham.[_6_] January 11th 13 09:03 PM

childhood inventions
 
On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 13:53:32 +0000, Ian Jackson
wrote:

In message ,
writes
I was brought up in a house that was a few hundred yards from the edge
of a vast estate of council and NCB houses. If anyone's interested it
was on Middlegate, Scawthorpe, Doncaster. We often used to walk up the
hill to the field at the side of the quarry, from where there was a
view across the estate and also across parts of Bentley. I used to
fantasise about broadcasting to the estate from there, by light. I
would set up a powerful lamp that would be modulated by audio. I knew a
filament wouldn't respond quickly enough, but I didn't know anything
else that would, so I just hoped that sopmething would turn up. Each
receiver would have a large parabolic mirror mounted somewhere high up
enough to see my lantern, with a photocell at the focal point. I
remember talking to my science-inclined form master about this, so that
means I must have been first year secondary. Twelve or thirteen I suppose.

I don't know why this came to mind, but I just wondered if anyone else
had mad inventions when they were a kid...

ISTR that when I was also a lad (or, at least, a teenager) there were
several projects (probably Practical Wireless and similar) using an
OCP44 (or an OC44 with the paint scraped off) as the light-sensitive
diode detector, and a torch bulb as the transmitter. Obviously, the
frequency response was rather limited, but maybe they compensated by
applying lots of pre-emphasis to the audio.


OC44 was an rf transister, unlikley ro me a photo version (BICBW)
Are you sure you don't mean OCP71?
I used to mainly use the ORP12 LDR for my optical experiments.


--
Graham.
%Profound_observation%

Ian Jackson[_2_] January 11th 13 09:18 PM

childhood inventions
 
In message , Graham.
writes



OC44 was an rf transister, unlikley ro me a photo version (BICBW)
Are you sure you don't mean OCP71?


Well spotted. Of course I mean the OC(P)71. I'm just making sure that
those at the back are awake.

I used to mainly use the ORP12 LDR for my optical experiments.



--
Ian

Graham.[_6_] January 11th 13 09:18 PM

childhood inventions
 
On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 05:17:15 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

I was brought up in a house that was a few hundred yards from the edge of a vast estate of council and NCB houses. If anyone's interested it was on Middlegate, Scawthorpe, Doncaster. We often used to walk up the hill to the field at the side of the quarry, from where there was a view across the estate and also across parts of Bentley. I used to fantasise about broadcasting to the estate from there, by light. I would set up a powerful lamp that would be modulated by audio. I knew a filament wouldn't respond quickly enough, but I didn't know anything else that would, so I just hoped that sopmething would turn up. Each receiver would have a large parabolic mirror mounted somewhere high up enough to see my lantern, with a photocell at the focal point. I remember talking to my science-inclined form master about this, so that means I must have been first year secondary. Twelve or thirteen I suppose.

I don't know why this came to mind, but I just wondered if anyone else had mad inventions when they were a kid...

Bill



Bill, look at the 6th image down this page.

http://www.bluehaze.com.au/modlight/...4Amateur79.htm

I remember reading about this at the time, and was never sure how
serious it was, I think it was more a concept than an actual practical
station.

At about that time I was conducting my own experiments with modulated
light with my friend Gerald Mitchell, who incidentally had a small
radio & TV repair business opposite my house.

We used a half duplex arrangement with an ORP12 mounted behind a 6V
torch bulb with a large condenser lens out of an old enlarger.

Results were good enough for speech, it was pretty immune to rain, but
snow was a challenge and fog would curtail operation for the duration.

Fluorescent and mercury vapour ware the way forward, but we never
graduated to that.



--
Graham.
%Profound_observation%

Graham.[_6_] January 11th 13 09:23 PM

childhood inventions
 
On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 20:18:38 +0000, Ian Jackson
wrote:

In message , Graham.
writes



OC44 was an rf transister, unlikley ro me a photo version (BICBW)
Are you sure you don't mean OCP71?


Well spotted. Of course I mean the OC(P)71. I'm just making sure that
those at the back are awake.

I used to mainly use the ORP12 LDR for my optical experiments.



As you will no doubt know, Mullard got wise to the paint scraping
trick and put a block on it. Literally.

--
Graham.
%Profound_observation%

Graham.[_6_] January 11th 13 09:43 PM

childhood inventions
 
More fascinating reading. (I know how much you admire Radio Amateurs).
http://modulatedlight.org/Modulated_...cle1Jan79.html


This is a link to a Light - RF crossband QSO from that site.
http://modulatedlight.org/Modulated_...1974_death.mp3

--
Graham.
%Profound_observation%

Max Demian January 12th 13 12:22 AM

childhood inventions
 
wrote in message
...
On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 05:17:15 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

I think I was aged around 8 that while inflating a bicycle tyre I
suddenly got the idea that the action could be reversed and air could
move a piston in a cylinder.
Dashing in to show Mum and Dad my invention I was equally dashed when
Dad explained I was a hundred or more years too late.
All was not lost though as I discovered that afternoon what pneumatic
meant, attending school on Monday the teacher asked what we had done
that weekend and the subject came up. He was a good teacher and
seized upon things like this so we had an hour or two playing with
bicycle pumps and balloons and learnt a bit about air pressure.
On another occasion he queried why I was late and when finding the
reason was that I had forsaken my bike because I had been offered a
lift on a Steam Roller which was moving to a new section of road
repairs. That morning the class had a lesson on steam power with the
roller as exhibit A.


Was it really a *steam* roller? You must be old!

--
Max Demian



Davey January 12th 13 12:40 AM

childhood inventions
 
On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 23:22:53 -0000
"Max Demian" wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 05:17:15 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

I think I was aged around 8 that while inflating a bicycle tyre I
suddenly got the idea that the action could be reversed and air
could move a piston in a cylinder.
Dashing in to show Mum and Dad my invention I was equally dashed
when Dad explained I was a hundred or more years too late.
All was not lost though as I discovered that afternoon what
pneumatic meant, attending school on Monday the teacher asked what
we had done that weekend and the subject came up. He was a good
teacher and seized upon things like this so we had an hour or two
playing with bicycle pumps and balloons and learnt a bit about air
pressure. On another occasion he queried why I was late and when
finding the reason was that I had forsaken my bike because I had
been offered a lift on a Steam Roller which was moving to a new
section of road repairs. That morning the class had a lesson on
steam power with the roller as exhibit A.


Was it really a *steam* roller? You must be old!


In the Long Shop Museum in Leiston, Suffolk, there is a restored Steam
Roller. It was rescued from Ibiza, where it was visible from my
brother-in-law's office window, back in the 1970s. (He managed the Yacht
Harbour there). A real Steam Roller. I remember them, including one
working on the road outside our house, in about 1960 or so.
I'm not old, just not quite as sprightly as I used to be!
--
Davey.

[email protected] January 12th 13 01:54 AM

childhood inventions
 
Bill, look at the 6th image down this page.



http://www.bluehaze.com.au/modlight/...4Amateur79.htm

Ohh thanks for that! Fascinating.

Bill

Brian Gaff January 12th 13 10:58 AM

childhood inventions
 
Well you could get bulbs to work. There was I seem to recall a transmitter
based on the idea as a project in the late lamented Wireless world in either
50s or 60s. The point was that in order to keep the sound sounding
reasonable you had to use a low level of modulation so as not to go into the
non linear zone of thermal lag effect.
The receivers were ORP12s as I recall either with lenses or mirrors.
The main drawback was that when it was foggy it seldom worked. Snow did
not fare much better as blizzards are not transparent.
I built aan audio intercom using two lantern torches when I was young and
foolish. Very hard to keep the beams steady enough I found.

Brian

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From the Sofa of Brian Gaff Reply address is active
wrote in message
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I was brought up in a house that was a few hundred yards from the edge of a
vast estate of council and NCB houses. If anyone's interested it was on
Middlegate, Scawthorpe, Doncaster. We often used to walk up the hill to the
field at the side of the quarry, from where there was a view across the
estate and also across parts of Bentley. I used to fantasise about
broadcasting to the estate from there, by light. I would set up a powerful
lamp that would be modulated by audio. I knew a filament wouldn't respond
quickly enough, but I didn't know anything else that would, so I just hoped
that sopmething would turn up. Each receiver would have a large parabolic
mirror mounted somewhere high up enough to see my lantern, with a photocell
at the focal point. I remember talking to my science-inclined form master
about this, so that means I must have been first year secondary. Twelve or
thirteen I suppose.

I don't know why this came to mind, but I just wondered if anyone else had
mad inventions when they were a kid...

Bill



Brian Gaff January 12th 13 11:06 AM

childhood inventions
 
You could only do that paint job on some of the Mullard devices, shortly
afterwards they made the bodies opaque.

My great inventions?
Pedal powered wire twister.. OK not of much use really, but fun.
It is interesting to note that my device for flashing festive lights in
weird sequences using OC72 transistors as bistables running from an astable
circuit took up half the room under the sofa, whereas nowadays its all done
in a chip you need a magnifying glass to see.. sigh...

Brian

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"Ian Jackson" wrote in message
...
In message ,
writes
I was brought up in a house that was a few hundred yards from the edge of
a vast estate of council and NCB houses. If anyone's interested it was on
Middlegate, Scawthorpe, Doncaster. We often used to walk up the hill to
the field at the side of the quarry, from where there was a view across
the estate and also across parts of Bentley. I used to fantasise about
broadcasting to the estate from there, by light. I would set up a powerful
lamp that would be modulated by audio. I knew a filament wouldn't respond
quickly enough, but I didn't know anything else that would, so I just
hoped that sopmething would turn up. Each receiver would have a large
parabolic mirror mounted somewhere high up enough to see my lantern, with
a photocell at the focal point. I remember talking to my science-inclined
form master about this, so that means I must have been first year
secondary. Twelve or thirteen I suppose.

I don't know why this came to mind, but I just wondered if anyone else had
mad inventions when they were a kid...

ISTR that when I was also a lad (or, at least, a teenager) there were
several projects (probably Practical Wireless and similar) using an OCP44
(or an OC44 with the paint scraped off) as the light-sensitive diode
detector, and a torch bulb as the transmitter. Obviously, the frequency
response was rather limited, but maybe they compensated by applying lots
of pre-emphasis to the audio.
--
Ian




Brian Gaff January 12th 13 11:11 AM

childhood inventions
 
Actually, I think it was done to make testing them less prone to issues
when light fell on them.
Later of course they put their transistors inside metal cases, but many of
these now suffer from a degeneration of the filler that shorts them out so
they need to be replaced.

Brian

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"Graham." wrote in message
...
On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 20:18:38 +0000, Ian Jackson
wrote:

In message , Graham.
writes



OC44 was an rf transister, unlikley ro me a photo version (BICBW)
Are you sure you don't mean OCP71?


Well spotted. Of course I mean the OC(P)71. I'm just making sure that
those at the back are awake.

I used to mainly use the ORP12 LDR for my optical experiments.



As you will no doubt know, Mullard got wise to the paint scraping
trick and put a block on it. Literally.

--
Graham.
%Profound_observation%




Brian Gaff January 12th 13 11:15 AM

childhood inventions
 
I recall the problems actually attempting to make a radio transmitter from
early transistors. Of course you could just build an oscillator and modulate
its amplitude, but that was not very successful as no matter what you did,
it had some FM tendencies resulting in the middle of the carrier having an
almost dead spot.
The only successful one was three transistors, a buffer and an output stage
which was tuned and then it worked quite well.

Brian

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"John Legon" wrote in message
o.uk...
wrote:
I was brought up in a house that was a few hundred yards from the edge of
a vast estate of council and NCB houses. If anyone's interested it was on
Middlegate, Scawthorpe, Doncaster. We often used to walk up the hill to
the field at the side of the quarry, from where there was a view across
the estate and also across parts of Bentley. I used to fantasise about
broadcasting to the estate from there, by light. I would set up a
powerful lamp that would be modulated by audio. I knew a filament
wouldn't respond quickly enough, but I didn't know anything else that
would, so I just hoped that sopmething would turn up. Each receiver would
have a large parabolic mirror mounted somewhere high up enough to see my
lantern, with a photocell at the focal point. I remember talking to my
science-inclined form master about this, so that means I must have been
first year secondary. Twelve or thirteen I suppose.


I did something similar when I was a couple of years older with a neon
panel lamp mounted in a bicycle lamp as transmitter, and a photocell in a
toilet roll with a magnifying glass at one end as receiver. I had no
ambitions to broadcast to the estate, but was happy with a modulated light
beam that transmitted music across my bedroom...

Not exactly hi-fi, but it worked.




Brian Gaff January 12th 13 11:19 AM

childhood inventions
 
Blimey, you must be one of those young whippersnappers then.
I was adult in the days of the ZX Spectrum, so we never had much in the way
of graphics, and web sites were not even heard of.

I did write some software, but nobody really wanted daft basic games like
Spider Diner or Rodent run..
Brian

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"the dog from that film you saw" wrote in
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On 11/01/2013 13:17, wrote:
I was brought up in a house that was a few hundred yards from the edge of
a vast estate of council and NCB houses. If anyone's interested it was on
Middlegate, Scawthorpe, Doncaster. We often used to walk up the hill to
the field at the side of the quarry, from where there was a view across
the estate and also across parts of Bentley. I used to fantasise about
broadcasting to the estate from there, by light. I would set up a
powerful lamp that would be modulated by audio. I knew a filament
wouldn't respond quickly enough, but I didn't know anything else that
would, so I just hoped that sopmething would turn up. Each receiver would
have a large parabolic mirror mounted somewhere high up enough to see my
lantern, with a photocell at the focal point. I remember talking to my
science-inclined form master about this, so that means I must have been
first year secondary. Twelve or thirteen I suppose.

I don't know why this came to mind, but I just wondered if anyone else
had mad inventions when they were a kid...

Bill




i invented flash before adobe - in my head.
it simply occured to me one day that websites could be far more animated
and exciting than they were (this was in dialup days) if they generated
their own graphics with polygons,with maths, instead of having to download
them at a great cost of time.
and then adobe programmed it and people hated them for it ever since.

--
Gareth.
That fly.... Is your magic wand.




Brian Gaff January 12th 13 11:20 AM

childhood inventions
 
Most of the messy programs will uninstall far cleaner if you use revo
uninstaller instead of add remove.

Brian

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From the Sofa of Brian Gaff Reply address is active
"Stephen Wolstenholme" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 16:09:01 -0000, "Max Demian"
wrote:

"the dog from that film you saw" wrote in
message ...

i invented flash before adobe - in my head.
it simply occured to me one day that websites could be far more animated
and exciting than they were (this was in dialup days) if they generated
their own graphics with polygons,with maths, instead of having to
download
them at a great cost of time.
and then adobe programmed it and people hated them for it ever since.


I hate the way Adobe Flash keep trying to con you into installing Google
Chrome with their unnecessary upgrades. Once installed Chrome is
impossible
to get rid of without screwing other things up.


Chrome does not need to have the automatic upgrades option set and the
uninstaller at
http://support.google.com/chrome/bin...n&answer=95319
works perfectly.

Steve

--
EasyNN-plus. Neural Networks plus. http://www.easynn.com
SwingNN. Forecast with Neural Networks. http://www.swingnn.com
JustNN. Just Neural Networks. http://www.justnn.com




Brian Gaff January 12th 13 11:27 AM

childhood inventions
 
Hmm well yes, and coming full circle was it not this very week that Gadget
show demonstrated a bulb that included a poweline net adaptor, a light
source and receiver of some sort to use laptops using light comms. Not sure
how the return link worked as always a bit low on detail.
Brian

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"Owain" wrote in message
...
On Jan 11, 1:17 pm, wrote:
I don't know why this came to mind, but I just wondered if anyone else had
mad inventions when they were a kid...


Not mad nor as a kid, but when I was a bit younger, I had this idea
for 24-hour telephone banking in c. 1986 but was told it would never
work. Firstdirect did it a couple of years later.

Also had this idea that if a computer now had enough power to play a
DVD, then a portable DVD player would have enough power to be a simple
computer with web browser. Someone else invented the 7" netbook ...

Owain



Rick January 12th 13 11:27 AM

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wrote in message
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secondary. Twelve or thirteen I suppose.

I don't know why this came to mind, but I just wondered if anyone else had
mad inventions when they were a kid...



Why didn't you write to Jim with your idea, maybe he could have fixed it for
you?


Max Demian January 12th 13 01:15 PM

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"Martin" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 16:21:58 +0000, Stephen Wolstenholme
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 16:09:01 -0000, "Max Demian"
wrote:
I hate the way Adobe Flash keep trying to con you into installing Google
Chrome with their unnecessary upgrades. Once installed Chrome is
impossible
to get rid of without screwing other things up.


Chrome does not need to have the automatic upgrades option set and the
uninstaller at
http://support.google.com/chrome/bin...n&answer=95319
works perfectly.


Don't ruin a good whine with facts


I've just done it now successfully. It might be the problem is associated
with a partial install. It definitely caused problems before - I googled for
the error message and found a reference.

--
Max Demian



tony sayer January 12th 13 01:20 PM

childhood inventions
 
In article , Graham.
scribeth thus
On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 13:53:32 +0000, Ian Jackson
wrote:

In message ,
writes
I was brought up in a house that was a few hundred yards from the edge
of a vast estate of council and NCB houses. If anyone's interested it
was on Middlegate, Scawthorpe, Doncaster. We often used to walk up the
hill to the field at the side of the quarry, from where there was a
view across the estate and also across parts of Bentley. I used to
fantasise about broadcasting to the estate from there, by light. I
would set up a powerful lamp that would be modulated by audio. I knew a
filament wouldn't respond quickly enough, but I didn't know anything
else that would, so I just hoped that sopmething would turn up. Each
receiver would have a large parabolic mirror mounted somewhere high up
enough to see my lantern, with a photocell at the focal point. I
remember talking to my science-inclined form master about this, so that
means I must have been first year secondary. Twelve or thirteen I suppose.

I don't know why this came to mind, but I just wondered if anyone else
had mad inventions when they were a kid...

ISTR that when I was also a lad (or, at least, a teenager) there were
several projects (probably Practical Wireless and similar) using an
OCP44 (or an OC44 with the paint scraped off) as the light-sensitive
diode detector, and a torch bulb as the transmitter. Obviously, the
frequency response was rather limited, but maybe they compensated by
applying lots of pre-emphasis to the audio.


OC44 was an rf transister, unlikley ro me a photo version (BICBW)
Are you sure you don't mean OCP71?
I used to mainly use the ORP12 LDR for my optical experiments.



ISTR scraping the paint of the OC71 series to exploit that effect;!)...

--
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tony sayer January 12th 13 01:23 PM

childhood inventions
 
In article , John
Legon scribeth thus
wrote:
I was brought up in a house that was a few hundred yards from the edge of a

vast estate of council and NCB houses. If anyone's interested it was on
Middlegate, Scawthorpe, Doncaster. We often used to walk up the hill to the
field at the side of the quarry, from where there was a view across the estate
and also across parts of Bentley. I used to fantasise about broadcasting to the
estate from there, by light. I would set up a powerful lamp that would be
modulated by audio. I knew a filament wouldn't respond quickly enough, but I
didn't know anything else that would, so I just hoped that sopmething would turn
up. Each receiver would have a large parabolic mirror mounted somewhere high up
enough to see my lantern, with a photocell at the focal point. I remember
talking to my science-inclined form master about this, so that means I must have
been first year secondary. Twelve or thirteen I suppose.

I did something similar when I was a couple of years older with a neon
panel lamp mounted in a bicycle lamp as transmitter, and a photocell in
a toilet roll with a magnifying glass at one end as receiver. I had no
ambitions to broadcast to the estate, but was happy with a modulated
light beam that transmitted music across my bedroom...

Not exactly hi-fi, but it worked.


We used to stick stakes in the ground a bit apart and apply high voltage
audio and a receiving pair of stakes in my mates house across the other
side of the estate, he'd be able to receive on a step up transformer
connected to them.

Worked surprisingly well:)...

--
Tony Sayer


tony sayer January 12th 13 01:36 PM

childhood inventions
 
In article , Brian Gaff
scribeth thus
I recall the problems actually attempting to make a radio transmitter from
early transistors. Of course you could just build an oscillator and modulate
its amplitude, but that was not very successful as no matter what you did,
it had some FM tendencies resulting in the middle of the carrier having an
almost dead spot.
The only successful one was three transistors, a buffer and an output stage
which was tuned and then it worked quite well.

Brian


Never bothered with transistors, much too flimsy. Once after I got a
ECC88 going there was no stopping thru 807's and 813's then QQV03-20A
VHF valves;)...
--
Tony Sayer


Stephen Wolstenholme[_2_] January 12th 13 01:40 PM

childhood inventions
 
On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 12:23:33 +0000, tony sayer
wrote:

We used to stick stakes in the ground a bit apart and apply high voltage
audio and a receiving pair of stakes in my mates house across the other
side of the estate, he'd be able to receive on a step up transformer
connected to them.

Worked surprisingly well:)...


When I was about 10 I did a similar sort of thing but just by the
house and the shed. It didn't work very well at all. I replaced the
whole lot with a length of wire that went directly to the shed. No
tx/rx or transformers needed. That did work well, but that was no
surprise!

Steve

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Graham.[_6_] January 12th 13 03:48 PM

childhood inventions
 
On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 10:11:14 -0000, "Brian Gaff"
wrote:

Actually, I think it was done to make testing them less prone to issues
when light fell on them.
Later of course they put their transistors inside metal cases, but many of
these now suffer from a degeneration of the filler that shorts them out so
they need to be replaced.

Brian


Yes, I have a classic Bush TR82C in the bedroom, and one of the AF117
started playing up. The fault practically put a short on the 9v rail.

Giving the transistor a sharp tap cleared the short temporarily. The
solution was just to snip the 4th screen wire, it really doesn't seem
to be necessary.


--
Graham.
%Profound_observation%

Graham.[_6_] January 12th 13 04:12 PM

childhood inventions
 
On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 10:06:52 -0000, "Brian Gaff"
wrote:

You could only do that paint job on some of the Mullard devices, shortly
afterwards they made the bodies opaque.

My great inventions?
Pedal powered wire twister.. OK not of much use really, but fun.
It is interesting to note that my device for flashing festive lights in
weird sequences using OC72 transistors as bistables running from an astable
circuit took up half the room under the sofa, whereas nowadays its all done
in a chip you need a magnifying glass to see.. sigh...

Brian



I'll see your flashing festive lights, and raise you my push button
telephone dialler.

This I made in 1970 and was a complete lash up assembled on a piece of
plywood. It was totally electromechanical, and at it's heart was a
step selector switch that did the counting.

Ten push switches were mounted on a second piece of hardboard that was
the keypad.

The only problem in operation was you needed to keep the button
pressed until all the pulses for that digit were sent, a full second
for the 0 half a second for the 5 & pro rata.

The other slight issue with this device was the magnet winding on the
selector was 240v, but at least the final interface into the telephone
line were the isolated contacts of a relay.

It didn't need quite need half a room, but it lived in the cupboard
under my bedroom vanity sink unit to keep the noise down.



--
Graham.
%Profound_observation%

Graham.[_6_] January 12th 13 04:22 PM

childhood inventions
 
On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 12:36:16 +0000, tony sayer
wrote:

In article , Brian Gaff
scribeth thus
I recall the problems actually attempting to make a radio transmitter from
early transistors. Of course you could just build an oscillator and modulate
its amplitude, but that was not very successful as no matter what you did,
it had some FM tendencies resulting in the middle of the carrier having an
almost dead spot.
The only successful one was three transistors, a buffer and an output stage
which was tuned and then it worked quite well.

Brian


Never bothered with transistors, much too flimsy. Once after I got a
ECC88 going there was no stopping thru 807's and 813's then QQV03-20A
VHF valves;)...



I was a topband enthusiast in the 70s and even at this low frequency
and 10W dc limit, transistor transmitters were a real novelty.

To paraphrase Tony Hancock "Give me a 6BW6 any day".



--
Graham.
%Profound_observation%

John Legon January 12th 13 04:38 PM

childhood inventions
 
tony sayer wrote:
Never bothered with transistors, much too flimsy. Once after I got a
ECC88 going there was no stopping thru 807's and 813's then QQV03-20A
VHF valves;)...


My father built an audio amplifier with a pair of 807s in push-pull in
the output stage (even though I think these are transmitter valves).
He was in the habit of testing amplifiers by putting his finger on the
grid cap of a valve and listening for a buzz in the loudspeaker. I tried
this one day with the 807s, not realizing that the cap on these valves
goes to the anode! The shock threw me back against the wall. Later when
I got a meter I found that the supply to the anodes was about 600 volts.

Rick January 12th 13 04:45 PM

childhood inventions
 


"Graham." wrote in message
...
On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 10:11:14 -0000, "Brian Gaff"
wrote:

Actually, I think it was done to make testing them less prone to issues
when light fell on them.
Later of course they put their transistors inside metal cases, but many
of
these now suffer from a degeneration of the filler that shorts them out
so
they need to be replaced.

Brian


Yes, I have a classic Bush TR82C in the bedroom, and one of the AF117
started playing up. The fault practically put a short on the 9v rail.

Giving the transistor a sharp tap cleared the short temporarily. The
solution was just to snip the 4th screen wire, it really doesn't seem
to be necessary.



That was a common problem with those transistors almost from day one, AKA
ANLE (a nice little earner :-)


Brian Gaff January 12th 13 06:14 PM

childhood inventions
 
Hmm a thousand fun things to do with a fix it badge, by penfold on Babani or
whatever it was called. I wonder if the collectors price will go up or down
on those. I think they were mostly plastic.
Brian

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"Rick" wrote in message ...


wrote in message
...
secondary. Twelve or thirteen I suppose.

I don't know why this came to mind, but I just wondered if anyone else
had mad inventions when they were a kid...



Why didn't you write to Jim with your idea, maybe he could have fixed it
for you?




198 kHz January 12th 13 06:22 PM

childhood inventions
 

wrote in message
...
I was brought up in a house that was a few hundred yards from the edge of a
vast estate of council and NCB houses. If anyone's interested it was on
Middlegate, Scawthorpe, Doncaster. We often used to walk up the hill to the
field at the side of the quarry, from where there was a view across the
estate and also across parts of Bentley. I used to fantasise about
broadcasting to the estate from there, by light. I would set up a powerful
lamp that would be modulated by audio. I knew a filament wouldn't respond
quickly enough, but I didn't know anything else that would, so I just hoped
that sopmething would turn up. Each receiver would have a large parabolic
mirror mounted somewhere high up enough to see my lantern, with a photocell
at the focal point. I remember talking to my science-inclined form master
about this, so that means I must have been first year secondary. Twelve or
thirteen I suppose.

I don't know why this came to mind, but I just wondered if anyone else had
mad inventions when they were a kid...

Bill

I spent countless hours in my youth inventing 'perpetual motion' - usually
involving magnets and bicycle wheels - until finally conceding that perhaps
the naysayers were right after all.



Graham.[_6_] January 12th 13 07:10 PM

childhood inventions
 
On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 05:17:15 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

I was brought up in a house that was a few hundred yards from the edge of a vast estate of council and NCB houses. If anyone's interested it was on Middlegate, Scawthorpe, Doncaster. We often used to walk up the hill to the field at the side of the quarry, from where there was a view across the estate and also across parts of Bentley. I used to fantasise about broadcasting to the estate from there, by light. I would set up a powerful lamp that would be modulated by audio. I knew a filament wouldn't respond quickly enough, but I didn't know anything else that would, so I just hoped that sopmething would turn up. Each receiver would have a large parabolic mirror mounted somewhere high up enough to see my lantern, with a photocell at the focal point. I remember talking to my science-inclined form master about this, so that means I must have been first year secondary. Twelve or thirteen I suppose.

I don't know why this came to mind, but I just wondered if anyone else had mad inventions when they were a kid...

Bill



A contribution I made to a thread on another newsgroup has reminded me
of the hydrogen bomb I invented after learning about electrolysis at
school.


--
Graham.
%Profound_observation%

Terry Casey[_2_] January 12th 13 07:11 PM

childhood inventions
 
In article ,
lid says...

On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 10:11:14 -0000, "Brian Gaff"
wrote:

Actually, I think it was done to make testing them less prone to issues
when light fell on them.
Later of course they put their transistors inside metal cases, but many of
these now suffer from a degeneration of the filler that shorts them out so
they need to be replaced.

Brian


Yes, I have a classic Bush TR82C in the bedroom, and one of the AF117
started playing up. The fault practically put a short on the 9v rail.

Giving the transistor a sharp tap cleared the short temporarily. The
solution was just to snip the 4th screen wire, it really doesn't seem
to be necessary.


That is not a permanent cure. The problem with the AF11x series is the
tin coating on the inside of the can which grows whiskers.

When one of these whiskers touches the transistor inside and causes a
short, it can indeed be cleared by cutting the screen wire.

The problem is that it doesn't actually clear the short so that, when
another whisker reaches another electrode there are now two shorts which
are connected via the can.

No less an authority than NASA has carried out a detailed investigation
into the problem - report he

http://nepp.nasa.gov/whisker/anecdote/af114-transistor/

Remember that the next time someone mentions unleaded solder ...

--

Terry

[email protected] January 12th 13 07:59 PM

childhood inventions
 
Why didn't you write to Jim with your idea, maybe he could have fixed it for

you?


I did, enclosing a photograph. His agent wrote back and said that Jim only fixed it for good looking kids.

Bill


Graham.[_6_] January 12th 13 08:04 PM

childhood inventions
 
On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 18:11:18 -0000, Terry Casey
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 10:11:14 -0000, "Brian Gaff"
wrote:

Actually, I think it was done to make testing them less prone to issues
when light fell on them.
Later of course they put their transistors inside metal cases, but many of
these now suffer from a degeneration of the filler that shorts them out so
they need to be replaced.

Brian


Yes, I have a classic Bush TR82C in the bedroom, and one of the AF117
started playing up. The fault practically put a short on the 9v rail.

Giving the transistor a sharp tap cleared the short temporarily. The
solution was just to snip the 4th screen wire, it really doesn't seem
to be necessary.


That is not a permanent cure. The problem with the AF11x series is the
tin coating on the inside of the can which grows whiskers.

When one of these whiskers touches the transistor inside and causes a
short, it can indeed be cleared by cutting the screen wire.

The problem is that it doesn't actually clear the short so that, when
another whisker reaches another electrode there are now two shorts which
are connected via the can.

No less an authority than NASA has carried out a detailed investigation
into the problem - report he

http://nepp.nasa.gov/whisker/anecdote/af114-transistor/

Remember that the next time someone mentions unleaded solder ...


Thanks Terry, I knew there was more to the problem as I was typing,
but I couldn't remember the details. Having seen the picture of the
inside of the can, I won't now forget.



--
Graham.
%Profound_observation%

Rick January 12th 13 09:38 PM

childhood inventions
 


wrote in message
...
Why didn't you write to Jim with your idea, maybe he could have fixed it
for

you?


I did, enclosing a photograph. His agent wrote back and said that Jim only
fixed it for good looking kids.



With hindsight a blessing in disguise, as by recent accounts it probably
saved you from length of tongue...



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