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In ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Tony Houghton wrote:
For the last few years all my dentists have been foreign and very young;
presumably just out of University, gaining experience before going on to
a better job in the private sector asap. They seem very well trained on
the whole, but for some things you can't beat experience, and I've had a
couple of very nasty extractions as a result.

Have you checked recently? The recession seems to have hit private
dentists quite hard - around here anyway. So more are taking NHS patients.

Ah, that's interesting. TBH last time I changed dentist it was because
the place I was leaving wasn't much good and I noticed a new one had
opened, but I still had to wait a year or two before I could get on
their books.

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On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 23:29:52 -0000, "Steve Terry"
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Tony Houghton wrote:
In ,
Bill Wright wrote:

The NHS: It should be protected against the Tories

It needs even more protection against Labour.

It's so fecked now, maybe we should adopt the French system

Steve Terry

You meen they stick the tablets up your arse?



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Bill Wright wrote:
Steve Terry wrote:

Maybe not intentionally but i know of girls who were happy being
pregnant knowing it put them at the top of the housing association
ladder

They do it deliberately. "Me dad were getting on me wick, so I thought
I'd better get a flat." I've heard it so many times.
Bill

I know a young straight off the plane pregnant Polish woman who used
her sister (who'd immigrated here 5 years before) as her local connection
to be put at the top of the housing list

She got a flat in under 3 months

Steve Terry
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Graham. wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 23:29:52 -0000, "Steve Terry"
wrote:
Tony Houghton wrote:
In ,
Bill Wright wrote:

The NHS: It should be protected against the Tories

It needs even more protection against Labour.

It's so fecked now, maybe we should adopt the French system
Steve Terry

You meen they stick the tablets up your arse?

They have a very effective service which is means tested. Even the
most well off get 50% paid for by the state, whereas the poorest
pay a nominal amount as little as 1%

I'd now rather have the French system than the burger bar fronted
tin roofed huts the NHS has

Steve Terry
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In article , Bugbear wrote:
And have you been to the dentist much since 1997?

It's odd that dental care has always been
partly outside the NHS. However, accepting that it is the charges
don't seem unreasonable.

Until you consider that the cost of pulling a tooth
out is about a quarter of the cost of repairing it with a crown. I
suspect that in these circumstances decisions are often made that
are not based on the best medical interests of the patient.

Rod.
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My dentist always explains the options.

Maybe.

http://www.nhs.uk/news/2012/05may/Pa...l-charges-and-
complaints.aspx

Even if everything is explained, it may not actually be an "option" in some
cases to pay £209 instead of £48, and so a tooth that could possibly have been
saved is gone forever.

Rod.
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On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 21:47:23 -0000, Roderick Stewart wrote:

In article , Bugbear wrote:
And have you been to the dentist much since 1997?

It's odd that dental care has always been
partly outside the NHS. However, accepting that it is the charges
don't seem unreasonable.

Until you consider that the cost of pulling a tooth
out is about a quarter of the cost of repairing it with a crown. I
suspect that in these circumstances decisions are often made that
are not based on the best medical interests of the patient.

Rod.
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My dentist always explains the options.

Maybe.

http://www.nhs.uk/news/2012/05may/Pa...l-charges-and-
complaints.aspx

Even if everything is explained, it may not actually be an "option" in some
cases to pay £209 instead of £48, and so a tooth that could possibly have been
saved is gone forever.

Rod.

The other trick is to split the treatment, possibly by not telling the
customer, so that more charges can be made. That way, the dentist can make a
lot more money with separate session when all of the work should have been
for the top payment.
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In message , Bill Wright
writes
Tony Houghton wrote:

I don't mean the cost, I mean the availability.

There must be regional variations. Near here there is a dentist with a
huge poster on his gable: NHS patients welcome.

Bill

I had a flyer through the door today from the new (6 months) dental
practice, inviting NHS patients.

--
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Steve Terry wrote:
Graham. wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 23:29:52 -0000, "Steve Terry"
wrote:
Tony Houghton wrote:
In ,
Bill Wright wrote:

The NHS: It should be protected against the Tories
It needs even more protection against Labour.

It's so fecked now, maybe we should adopt the French system
Steve Terry
You meen they stick the tablets up your arse?

They have a very effective service which is means tested. Even the
most well off get 50% paid for by the state, whereas the poorest
pay a nominal amount as little as 1%

I'd now rather have the French system than the burger bar fronted
tin roofed huts the NHS has

If I'd had to pay 50% of the treatment my wife has needed to keep her
alive since 2002 I would have had to sell the house and live in a tin
roofed hut.

Bill

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In article , Tony Houghton
wrote:
In , Bill Wright
wrote:

Tony Houghton wrote:

I don't mean the cost, I mean the availability.

There must be regional variations. Near here there is a dentist with a
huge poster on his gable: NHS patients welcome.

Yes, there are regional variations, but the "postcode lottery" was very
much part of Labour's NHS policy. From what I heard in the news at the
time I was lucky to find another NHS dentist each time one closed, other
areas were much worse off.

A related 'clever move' was to cut the number of places for dentist
training. So reducing the supply of practitioners.

Some years ago my (excellent) local dentist decided to retire with no real
notice. He wasn't able to find another dentist willing to buy the practice.
*All* the other dentists in town refused to accept NHS patients. After a
couple of years I found an NHS dentist in another town 20 miles away. We
have no car.

That dentist wasn't very good, and in a shabby unhigenic building. After
another two years of waffling the NHS set up a local practice that *only*
accepted those over retirement age or seriously disabled. Fortunately after
another two years our local hospital was rebuilt and they included a larger
NHS dentistry section. The first time I applied *there* I was told their
list was full. But a year later I tried again and was accepted.

NHS dentistry in the UK has been an utter shambles over the last decade or
so.

The basic reason is the same as that behind the hospital consultants being
treated like Barons able to rule their own domains. They were allowed when
the NHS was set up to dictate their own terms. And although the
arrangements have changed, attitudes - and to a fair extent behaviour -
haven't.

Slainte,

Jim

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In message , Bill Wright
writes
Steve Terry wrote:
Graham. wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 23:29:52 -0000, "Steve Terry"
wrote:
Tony Houghton wrote:
In ,
Bill Wright wrote:

The NHS: It should be protected against the Tories
It needs even more protection against Labour.

It's so fecked now, maybe we should adopt the French system
Steve Terry
You meen they stick the tablets up your arse?

They have a very effective service which is means tested. Even the
most well off get 50% paid for by the state, whereas the poorest
pay a nominal amount as little as 1%
I'd now rather have the French system than the burger bar fronted
tin roofed huts the NHS has

If I'd had to pay 50% of the treatment my wife has needed to keep her
alive since 2002 I would have had to sell the house and live in a tin
roofed hut.

Bill

When I've heard people complaining about taxes, I've asked if they would
prefer to have everything privatised, and get separate bills from the
NHS, the Fire Service, the Police, the RAF, Army and Navy etc..

No-one has ever said yes.
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Ian