Rapid change in consumer TVs - too rapid?
 

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Rapid change in consumer TVs - too rapid?
 

On 16/11/2012 13:12, Richard Tobin wrote:
In article ,
David WE Roberts wrote:

As covered in many previous threads, there are still many TVs out there with
FreeView but not FreeView HD.

Many people had black-and-white TVs for more than a decade after colour
was introduced.

And I think that a trend away from having everything built in to the
TV is actually a good thing. Why should you have to buy a new screen
just because some new source is available? It would make more sense to
have dumb monitors (or monitor + speaker packages).

Of course, there are advances in monitors. For viewing in a
good-sized room a "Full HD" screen is worthwhile. 3D is another
example, but I have been consistently disappointed by it.

It may be a good thing to not have those features in the TV - but you
can't buy it. I bought a set last year. I knew (from my research here
among other places, and thanks everyone) that if I wasn't careful I'd
get a set that wouldn't receive the latest HD when it finally came
along, and that the inbuilt speakers will be rubbish whatever, and that
my VCR was for the chop. So I went to buy a monitor.

You can't.

The only large monitors are niche market jobs for airport displays and
such, and have silly prices. So I ended up with a Sony with built-in HD
decoder and network connection. I haven't yet bought the external
speakers, but I will. I have bought the HD PVR - which means I really
don't need the inbuilt HD tuner. Or the network functions.

On the other hand I quite often watch TV on my screen here - which is a
24 inch 16:10 PC monitor attached to a box with external surround
speakers...

Andy

Rapid change in consumer TVs - too rapid?
 

On 16/11/2012 18:58, Norman Wells wrote:
Mark Carver wrote:
On 16/11/2012 14:34, Norman Wells wrote:

How close would you have to sit to a 19" TV to tell HD from SD?

Assuming it is 1920 x 1080 native resolution, then answer is the same
regardless whether the screen is 19, 29, 39, or 199 inches, about 2.5
to 3.5 x picture height.

So, for a 19" 16:9 set, about two feet then.

Yes, about the right sort of distance for a 19" set on a breakfast bar
in a kitchen for instance.

How large is your PC screen, and how far away do you sit from it ?


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On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 18:39:59 +0000, Mark Carver
wrote:

On 16/11/2012 18:25, Peter Duncanson wrote:

Have some more confusion -

The Saorview muxes (mixed SD and HD) from the Irish Republic that are
receivable in Northern Ireland are DVB-T using MPEG4. They need a
"Freeview HD" branded receiver, not SD.

That would ensure reception. However that's not to say a UK DVB-T1
receiver couldn't necessarily receive RoI HD, it may well have an MPEG 4
decoder, which would also be OK for French DTT


The Republic is supposed to be
switching from DVB-T to DVB-T2 in 2013.


Really ? !

I may have jumped ahead a bit there.

This document:
http://rtenl.ie/wp-content/uploads/2...quirements.pdf

Minimum Receiver Requirements
Irish Digital Terrestrial Television

says

All IRD shall support DVB-T demodulation; the support of DVB-T2 is
currently optional but will change to mandatory from 1st January
2013 for the Irish DTT network.

[IRD = Integrated Receiver Decoder]

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Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

Rapid change in consumer TVs - too rapid?
 

Bill Wright wrote:
Jim Lesurf wrote:

You omitted:
All the current models that are banjaxed by 4G. (Plus some that will
probably end up going on sale *after* 4G.)
Slainte,
Jim

Mr J Bloggs, of J Bloggs Precision Widgets and Grommets, decided to
treat himself at Christmas 2013. He isn't a great TV watcher (far too
busy), but what he does watch — mostly documentaries and news
programmes — he enjoys, so he decided to buy a nice new telly. He did
his research diligently and ended up with a high-end set with a
really big screen and Freeview HD built in of course. Expensive, but
he thought "Well, with all the money I've saved by not having Sky I
can afford it." The telly was duly installed (at some extra cost), the
speakers were
arranged around the room, a nice new aerial was bolted to the chimney
stack, and everything was splendid... for a few months.
One evening in late March Mr Bloggs got home from the office
absolutely tired out and not in the best of moods. He kicked his
shoes off, poured a drink, and put the telly on. On the screen was
the message "No Signal. Check aerial connection." He flicked through
the channels. Some of them were working, but the picture was broken
up and the sound was garbled. It wasn't long before he was on the
phone. "That aerial you installed in December. There's something
wrong with it. Can you come now?" The next morning (the request for
instant service having been denied)
the aerial installer explained that the problem was that a new 4G mast
had appeared just down the road. The signals from it were overloading
Mr Bloggs' masthead amplifier. The installer showed Mr B the spectrum
analyser screen, which had a massive great signal on channel 61,
something like 50dB above the TV multiplexes.
"Well fix it then!" fumed Mr Bloggs.
"OK, I'll try, though I might not get it as good as it was before.
All I can do is take the aerial off the chimney and fix to the wall
so the house screens it from the 4G mast. I can add a few filters,
but the trouble is the TV signals are on frequencies so close to the
4G signals I doubt if they'll do much good."
"Harrumph! I suppose you'd better do your best."
"Yes, of course I will. By the way, the cost of all this will probably
be about £150 + VAT"
"What! I paid you £200 for the aerial only three months ago! It's
under guarantee!"
"I agree the aerial is under guarantee, but your reception conditions
here are outside my control. I'm sorry but there it is."
"Oh, I'm not having this!"
"OK, well if you don't want me to do the work I'll be on my way. I'll
invoice you by post for this diagnostic visit. It will be £60 + VAT. I
suggest you take the matter up with OFCOM."
Bill

Better stock up on dishes and HD Freesat STBs for Astra 28east

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In article ,
Andy Champ wrote:
So I went to buy a monitor.

You can't.

The only large monitors are niche market jobs for airport displays and
such, and have silly prices.

It's pretty well always been the case. Quantity of production makes a TV
usually cheaper than an equivalent monitor - even although it has all
those extra electronics.

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Rapid change in consumer TVs - too rapid?
 

On 16/11/2012 14:46, Bill Wright wrote:
Jim Lesurf wrote:

You omitted:

All the current models that are banjaxed by 4G. (Plus some that will
probably end up going on sale *after* 4G.)

Slainte,

Jim

Mr J Bloggs, of J Bloggs Precision Widgets and Grommets, decided to
treat himself at Christmas 2013. He isn't a great TV watcher (far too
busy), but what he does watch — mostly documentaries and news programmes
— he enjoys, so he decided to buy a nice new telly. He did his research
diligently and ended up with a high-end set with a really big screen and
Freeview HD built in of course. Expensive, but he thought "Well, with
all the money I've saved by not having Sky I can afford it."
The telly was duly installed (at some extra cost), the speakers were
arranged around the room, a nice new aerial was bolted to the chimney
stack, and everything was splendid... for a few months.
One evening in late March Mr Bloggs got home from the office absolutely
tired out and not in the best of moods. He kicked his shoes off, poured
a drink, and put the telly on. On the screen was the message "No Signal.
Check aerial connection." He flicked through the channels. Some of them
were working, but the picture was broken up and the sound was garbled.
It wasn't long before he was on the phone. "That aerial you installed in
December. There's something wrong with it. Can you come now?"
The next morning (the request for instant service having been denied)
the aerial installer explained that the problem was that a new 4G mast
had appeared just down the road. The signals from it were overloading Mr
Bloggs' masthead amplifier. The installer showed Mr B the spectrum
analyser screen, which had a massive great signal on channel 61,
something like 50dB above the TV multiplexes.
"Well fix it then!" fumed Mr Bloggs.
"OK, I'll try, though I might not get it as good as it was before. All I
can do is take the aerial off the chimney and fix to the wall so the
house screens it from the 4G mast. I can add a few filters, but the
trouble is the TV signals are on frequencies so close to the 4G signals
I doubt if they'll do much good."
"Harrumph! I suppose you'd better do your best."
"Yes, of course I will. By the way, the cost of all this will probably
be about £150 + VAT"
"What! I paid you £200 for the aerial only three months ago! It's under
guarantee!"
"I agree the aerial is under guarantee, but your reception conditions
here are outside my control. I'm sorry but there it is."
"Oh, I'm not having this!"
"OK, well if you don't want me to do the work I'll be on my way. I'll
invoice you by post for this diagnostic visit. It will be £60 + VAT. I
suggest you take the matter up with OFCOM."

Bill

I knew there had to be a reason I went for Freesat...

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Mark Carver wrote:

The seeds of confusion are starting to sprout.

An acceptance that sprouts taste OK is a sign that a person has matured
from a teenager to an adult.

Bill

Rapid change in consumer TVs - too rapid?
 

Mark Carver wrote:

However it'll be easier to deal with in Ch 21-31 areas, because a filter
can be inserted in front of the amp/receiver. Far more difficult to deal
with, if you need to receive something between 55 and 60, a very sharp
cut off filter will be required, which will be tricky (read expensive).

"Yes, course I can fix it love. It just needs a set of ceramic filters.
It'll be about £600. Is that all right?"

Bill

Rapid change in consumer TVs - too rapid?
 

Bill Wright wrote:
Mark Carver wrote:

However it'll be easier to deal with in Ch 21-31 areas, because a
filter can be inserted in front of the amp/receiver. Far more
difficult to deal with, if you need to receive something between 55
and 60, a very sharp cut off filter will be required, which will be
tricky (read expensive).

"Yes, course I can fix it love. It just needs a set of ceramic
filters. It'll be about £600. Is that all right?"
Bill

Yer but are they digital?

Whole new industry opening up for the screwdriver experts.

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