Rapid change in consumer TVs - too rapid?
 

Peter Duncanson wrote:

I have just looked at Argos Web site and they have no Freeview HD
built in TV sets.

Look more closely. :-)

Or Panasonic:
Panasonic L19X5B 19 Inch HD Ready Freeview HD LED TV
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Produc...er/5299737.htm

How close would you have to sit to a 19" TV to tell HD from SD?

Wouldn't your nose get in the way?

Rapid change in consumer TVs - too rapid?
 

In article ,
David WE Roberts wrote:
Although I can understand the attraction of selling cheap low res TVs,
surely there is no justification in shipping TVs which don't support
FreeView HD?

Why? The progs on FreeView HD are pretty well all on SD too. So only those
who want HD and are prepared to pay the extra actually need it.

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How close would you have to sit to a 19" TV to tell HD from SD?


I can very easily see the difference on my PC monitor from c.0.6m and my
eyesight ain't wot it wuss

Wouldn't your nose get in the way?

????

Ah, I think I've sussed it: you are Pinnocchio AICMFP :)
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Jim Lesurf wrote:

You omitted:

All the current models that are banjaxed by 4G. (Plus some that will
probably end up going on sale *after* 4G.)

Slainte,

Jim

Mr J Bloggs, of J Bloggs Precision Widgets and Grommets, decided to
treat himself at Christmas 2013. He isn't a great TV watcher (far too
busy), but what he does watch — mostly documentaries and news programmes
— he enjoys, so he decided to buy a nice new telly. He did his research
diligently and ended up with a high-end set with a really big screen and
Freeview HD built in of course. Expensive, but he thought "Well, with
all the money I've saved by not having Sky I can afford it."
The telly was duly installed (at some extra cost), the speakers were
arranged around the room, a nice new aerial was bolted to the chimney
stack, and everything was splendid... for a few months.
One evening in late March Mr Bloggs got home from the office absolutely
tired out and not in the best of moods. He kicked his shoes off, poured
a drink, and put the telly on. On the screen was the message "No Signal.
Check aerial connection." He flicked through the channels. Some of them
were working, but the picture was broken up and the sound was garbled.
It wasn't long before he was on the phone. "That aerial you installed in
December. There's something wrong with it. Can you come now?"
The next morning (the request for instant service having been denied)
the aerial installer explained that the problem was that a new 4G mast
had appeared just down the road. The signals from it were overloading Mr
Bloggs' masthead amplifier. The installer showed Mr B the spectrum
analyser screen, which had a massive great signal on channel 61,
something like 50dB above the TV multiplexes.
"Well fix it then!" fumed Mr Bloggs.
"OK, I'll try, though I might not get it as good as it was before. All I
can do is take the aerial off the chimney and fix to the wall so the
house screens it from the 4G mast. I can add a few filters, but the
trouble is the TV signals are on frequencies so close to the 4G signals
I doubt if they'll do much good."
"Harrumph! I suppose you'd better do your best."
"Yes, of course I will. By the way, the cost of all this will probably
be about £150 + VAT"
"What! I paid you £200 for the aerial only three months ago! It's under
guarantee!"
"I agree the aerial is under guarantee, but your reception conditions
here are outside my control. I'm sorry but there it is."
"Oh, I'm not having this!"
"OK, well if you don't want me to do the work I'll be on my way. I'll
invoice you by post for this diagnostic visit. It will be £60 + VAT. I
suggest you take the matter up with OFCOM."

Bill

Rapid change in consumer TVs - too rapid?
 

On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:43:33 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
David WE Roberts wrote:
Although I can understand the attraction of selling cheap low res TVs,
surely there is no justification in shipping TVs which don't support
FreeView HD?

Why? The progs on FreeView HD are pretty well all on SD too. So only those
who want HD and are prepared to pay the extra actually need it.

There is a regional exception in Northern Ireland. The seventh Freeview
mux, "Nimux", which carries RTE1 (SD), RTE2 (HD) and TG4 (SD) uses MPEG4
so needs an HD tuner. Also the TV and radio DTT broadcasts directly from
the Irish Republic, Saorview, use MPEG4.

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Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

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Richard Tobin wrote:

appeared to be fed from a VCR, and each had aspect ratio set in a
different, wrong, way.

Isn't that how TVs are supposed to work? (:-)) I find it quite common
to see installed TVs with clearly wrong aspect ratios.

Rapid change in consumer TVs - too rapid?
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
David WE Roberts wrote:
Although I can understand the attraction of selling cheap low res TVs,
surely there is no justification in shipping TVs which don't support
FreeView HD?

Why? The progs on FreeView HD are pretty well all on SD too. So those
who want HD and are prepared to pay the extra actually need it.



I bought a new TV in John Lewis earlier this week and don't think that
looking around a showroom with dozens of tellies on display that there were
that many which didn't have inbuilt Freeview HD, and with the price
difference seemingly very little these days, I suspect that it's more likely
a matter of manufacturers still having millions of DVB-T chipsets and
warehouse's full of old stock to try and foister off on to an uninformed
public, without offering too much in the way of discount.
Also I would have thought that from the broadcasters point of view, the
quicker the DVB-T can superseded with the much more robust and spectrum
efficient DVB-T2, the better.

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"Martin" wrote in message
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:43:33 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
David WE Roberts wrote:
Although I can understand the attraction of selling cheap low res TVs,
surely there is no justification in shipping TVs which don't support
FreeView HD?

Why? The progs on FreeView HD are pretty well all on SD too. So only those
who want HD and are prepared to pay the extra actually need it.

and it's not as if there are 15 HD channels available like there are
on Dutch cable TV.
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Although there easily would be once we've gotten rid of the dinosaur DVB-T
and replaced it with DVB-T2 :-)

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"David" wrote in message
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I have just looked at Argos Web site and they have no Freeview HD built in
TV sets.

There are lots of them he
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Search...REEVIEW+HD.htm

--
JohnT

Rapid change in consumer TVs - too rapid?
 

On 16/11/2012 14:43, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In ,
David WE wrote:
Although I can understand the attraction of selling cheap low res TVs,
surely there is no justification in shipping TVs which don't support
FreeView HD?

Why? The progs on FreeView HD are pretty well all on SD too. So only those
who want HD and are prepared to pay the extra actually need it.

Think more 'DVB-T2' and less the noddy term 'Freeview HD' which the UK
uniquely uses to describe DVB-T2.

Before the wazzcocks at Ofcom do away completely with DTT, it's a fair
bet that existing muxes will be converted to T2 (coz T2 isn't about HD
per se, but about more 'bits per Hz')

As Peter D points out, there's already a T2 mux in N Ireland, that
carries SD services. So (confusingly) a Freeview HD banded receiver is
required to receive them.

The seeds of confusion are starting to sprout.



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Mark
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