Sounds like a common sense decision
 

"John Hall" wrote in message
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In article ,
Jim Lesurf writes:
In article , NY
wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20251723

What does it take to send a message to big companies "I do NOT want to
be advertised at"? It is a fundamental right that you can ignore
anything that you don't want to see.

Presumably not a problem in practice in this case as no-one in their right
mind would watch Fox anyway. In fact the makers of the hopper might find
they sold more recorders if they could be set to skip the Fox programmes
as
well. :-)

This court case was presumably in America, though, going by the names of
the other TV companies mentioned. It might be that in that country
people watch Fox for lack of anything better.

Having watched a bit of TV in America I've yet to see anything worth the
electrons to power the TV. And American TV networks haven't got the idea of
"End of Part One" and "Part Two" captions or even break bumpers - anything
that gives the viewer some way of distinguishing programme from advert. And
they have this stupid idea of showing a few seconds of opening titles and
then going an advert break within literally a minute of starting the
programme.

Sounds like a common sense decision
 

In article ,
NY writes:
Having watched a bit of TV in America I've yet to see anything
worth the electrons to power the TV. And American TV networks
haven't got the idea of "End of Part One" and "Part Two" captions
or even break bumpers - anything that gives the viewer some way
of distinguishing programme from advert.

Which makes one wonder, if even a human has trouble in quickly
distinguishing the two, how this ad-skipper gizmo is going to manage it.

And they have this stupid idea of showing a few seconds of
opening titles and then going an advert break within literally a
minute of starting the programme.

Presumably they show the minimum amount of the programme that they think
will grab the viewer's interest enough for them to sit through the
subsequent ad break.
--
John Hall

"The beatings will continue until morale improves."
Attributed to the Commander of Japan's Submarine Forces in WW2

Sounds like a common sense decision
 

On 10/11/2012 20:10, NY wrote:

And they have this stupid idea of showing a few seconds of
opening titles and then going an advert break within literally a minute
of starting the programme.


I think it was Dave (??) that tried the American style of advertising on
the first showing of 8 Simple Rules in the UK. Advert break before the
start of programme, 60 seconds of an opening, another advert break and
then the title sequence It's one reason that I didn't bother with the
channel again for a long time.


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"tim....." wrote in message
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"NY" wrote in message
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20251723

Companies may force me to receive adverts within and between programmes
but no-one should be able to force me to sit through them without being
able to skim through them.

but it's not trying to do that

It's trying to stop a system that allows you to automatically jump to the
end of them without (you) knowing where that end is

It's unclear whether it does that, or whether it just allows you to skip a
predetermined length - maybe commercial breaks are always the same length in
US.

"And the Autohop feature lets viewers skip advertisements completely -
rather than fast-forwarding through them - at the press of a button."

If it were completely automatic you wouldn't need to press a button.

--
Max Demian

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"Max Demian" wrote in message
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"tim....." wrote in message
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"NY" wrote in message
o.uk...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20251723

Companies may force me to receive adverts within and between programmes
but no-one should be able to force me to sit through them without being
able to skim through them.

but it's not trying to do that

It's trying to stop a system that allows you to automatically jump to the
end of them without (you) knowing where that end is

It's unclear whether it does that, or whether it just allows you to skip a
predetermined length - maybe commercial breaks are always the same length
in US.

"And the Autohop feature lets viewers skip advertisements completely -
rather than fast-forwarding through them - at the press of a button."

If it were completely automatic you wouldn't need to press a button.

Surely the button referred to is the one which selects whether you want to
use the Autohop feature or not? Once selected, it then operates completely
automatically.

V

Sounds like a common sense decision
 

"Ian" wrote in message
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In message , alan
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On 10/11/2012 20:10, NY wrote:

And they have this stupid idea of showing a few seconds of
opening titles and then going an advert break within literally a minute
of starting the programme.


I think it was Dave (??) that tried the American style of advertising on
the first showing of 8 Simple Rules in the UK. Advert break before the
start of programme, 60 seconds of an opening, another advert break and
then the title sequence It's one reason that I didn't bother with the
channel again for a long time.


I was glad to see the back of Virgin1 for their obvious contempt for
programme makers and viewers.

Here's a perfect example, a video I keep on Photobucket, because it is
almost beyond belief.

http://tinyurl.com/bce5ats

Exactly whereabouts in the programme was this?

--
Max Demian

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"Victor Delta" wrote in message
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"Max Demian" wrote in message
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"tim....." wrote in message
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"NY" wrote in message
o.uk...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20251723

Companies may force me to receive adverts within and between programmes
but no-one should be able to force me to sit through them without being
able to skim through them.

but it's not trying to do that

It's trying to stop a system that allows you to automatically jump to
the end of them without (you) knowing where that end is

It's unclear whether it does that, or whether it just allows you to skip
a predetermined length - maybe commercial breaks are always the same
length in US.

"And the Autohop feature lets viewers skip advertisements completely -
rather than fast-forwarding through them - at the press of a button."

If it were completely automatic you wouldn't need to press a button.

Surely the button referred to is the one which selects whether you want to
use the Autohop feature or not? Once selected, it then operates completely
automatically.

That's not how I read it. I would have thought it would be a menu option or
similar if it was something you just had to activate.

As described it just sounds like what I can do with my Humax - I have one
button that skips forward one minute, and another that skips back 7 seconds
if I've gone too far (both configurable) - useful, but hardly automatic
ad-skipping.

--
Max Demian

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Max Demian

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In article , tim.....
wrote:

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
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In article , NY
wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20251723

What does it take to send a message to big companies "I do NOT want
to be advertised at"? It is a fundamental right that you can ignore
anything that you don't want to see.

Presumably not a problem in practice in this case as no-one in their
right mind would watch Fox anyway. In fact the makers of the hopper
might find they sold more recorders if they could be set to skip the
Fox programmes as well. :-)

So that's no Simpsons, Family Guy, Glee. All programs that I am led to
believe are popular and watched by millions of people (even if not by me)

I've also been led to believe that. But I've also been led to believe they
also appear on channels other that Fox. Like yourself, though, I don't
watch the programs, so am relying on having, I think, noticed them listed
on DTTV channels.

Slainte,

Jim

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In article , John Hall
wrote:
In article , Jim Lesurf
writes:
In article , NY
wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20251723

What does it take to send a message to big companies "I do NOT want
to be advertised at"? It is a fundamental right that you can ignore
anything that you don't want to see.

Presumably not a problem in practice in this case as no-one in their
right mind would watch Fox anyway. In fact the makers of the hopper
might find they sold more recorders if they could be set to skip the
Fox programmes as well. :-)

This court case was presumably in America, though, going by the names of
the other TV companies mentioned. It might be that in that country
people watch Fox for lack of anything better.

Seen from the other side of the pond, my impression that people watch Fox
News because they don't want their ideas to be undermined by being exposed
to reality. However since I don't watch the relevant stations I'm only
being guided by what others report and having noticed what crap appears
here from related organisations. (Plus having seen how awful US TV was some
decades ago.) So maybe Fox News is wonderful and all the criticism is a
jealous fantasy put about by other media.

Slainte,

Jim

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In article , NY
wrote:


Having watched a bit of TV in America I've yet to see anything worth the
electrons to power the TV. And American TV networks haven't got the
idea of "End of Part One" and "Part Two" captions or even break bumpers
- anything that gives the viewer some way of distinguishing programme
from advert. And they have this stupid idea of showing a few seconds of
opening titles and then going an advert break within literally a minute
of starting the programme.

Many years ago I went on my first trip to the USA. My into to their TV was
seeing that the 'Superman' film was on TV. (That shows you how long ago
this was! :-) )

I was surprised to see the film was three and a half hours long. But it was
put on whilst we were playing pool. As per the above I was then surprised
that they had the intro credits, then a load of ads, then five mins of
film, then a load of ads. Ad nauseam, as PE say.

I was a waste of time to try watching the film. So we just played pool. The
earthquake during the game was more interesting. :-)

I later spent some weeks in Kansas. After about 5 mins to check, I gave up
any idea that TV there was ever worth watching. I started to understand how
and why so many Americans seem to equate 'World' with 'USA' in their
thinking as there was almost nothing from outside the USA that said much.

But of course it may be different nowdays.

Slainte,

Jim

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