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In article en.co.uk,
Roderick Stewart wrote:

It's not plain and simple. Public clocks were set up as a public service.
Some people still like them.

Observe how you have to change from "service" to "like". No-one today
needs a striking clock to tell them the time at night, so that they
were set up as a service is neither here nor there.

-- Richard

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Steve Thackery wrote:

But I honestly think they are being unreasonable. This has nothing to
do with newcomers to a village - striking turret clocks are to be found
all over the place, in cities, towns and villages. Some people will
adapt to the noise, others won't no matter how many years they live there.

A public clock striking throughout the night is noise pollution, plain
and simple. There's no good reason to make a special case of a clock
just because it's been there for decades, or even centuries.

Night-time silencing can be achieved without irreversible changes to the
clock (thus without raising any conservation issues). Indeed, it can be
done without modifying the clock at all (by lifting the hammer clear of
the bell).

Yes, you're probably right about that.My own reaction is more about the
fact that they are newcomers than about the specifics. It's a constant
irritation to country dwellers that city folk turn up and start wanting
to alter things to suit themselves. There should, I think be a
presumption in law that they be told to bugger off.

Bill

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In article , Richard Tobin wrote:
It's not plain and simple. Public clocks were set up as a public service.
Some people still like them.

Observe how you have to change from "service" to "like". No-one today
needs a striking clock to tell them the time at night, so that they
were set up as a service is neither here nor there.

I don't understand what you mean by "change". If a sound is appreciated by a
large number of people, for whatever reason, then it's not correct to call it
pollution. Clocks have been chiming across this land for centuries and to
many people, whatever the original function, it's music to their ears.

(Having said that, the first meaning for "pollution" in the OED did surprise
me. I had no idea it ever meant that).

Rod.
--

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On Mon, 24 Sep 2012 08:44:09 +0100, Roderick Stewart wrote:

(Having said that, the first meaning for "pollution" in the OED did surprise
me. I had no idea it ever meant that).

Rod.

ISWYM - although it's no. 3 in my edition (compact, needs magnifying glass,
weighs 4kg per each of two volumes).
Brings back a memory of seeing about 6 or 7 teenagers in a huddle on the
street and bits of litter being thrown out every few seconds. Girl-friend
asked for a collective noun for said huddle and I suggested "litter" -
perhaps "pollution", as in "load of" would be OK as well.

Oh, and damn you, Rod! Yet again I start to look up a word and spend so long
reading other defs. that I forget what I was looking for in the first place.
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

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On 24/09/2012 09:52, PeterC wrote:
On Mon, 24 Sep 2012 08:44:09 +0100, Roderick Stewart wrote:

(Having said that, the first meaning for "pollution" in the OED did surprise
me. I had no idea it ever meant that).

Rod.

ISWYM - although it's no. 3 in my edition (compact, needs magnifying glass,
weighs 4kg per each of two volumes).
SNIP

Ditto. Fifteen quid as a book club introductory deal in the seventies
IIRC. Once started it's hard to put down, a real page turner :-)

--
Pete
Lose (rhymes with fuse) is a verb, the opposite of find. Loose (rhymes
with juice) is an adjective, the opposite of tight.

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On Mon, 24 Sep 2012 22:40:58 +0100
Pete Shew wrote:

On 24/09/2012 09:52, PeterC wrote:
On Mon, 24 Sep 2012 08:44:09 +0100, Roderick Stewart wrote:

(Having said that, the first meaning for "pollution" in the OED
did surprise me. I had no idea it ever meant that).

Rod.

ISWYM - although it's no. 3 in my edition (compact, needs
magnifying glass, weighs 4kg per each of two volumes).
SNIP

Ditto. Fifteen quid as a book club introductory deal in the seventies
IIRC. Once started it's hard to put down, a real page turner :-)


Not much of a plot, though?
--
Davey.

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On Mon, 24 Sep 2012 22:48:27 +0100, Davey wrote:

On Mon, 24 Sep 2012 22:40:58 +0100
Pete Shew wrote:

On 24/09/2012 09:52, PeterC wrote:
On Mon, 24 Sep 2012 08:44:09 +0100, Roderick Stewart wrote:

(Having said that, the first meaning for "pollution" in the OED
did surprise me. I had no idea it ever meant that).

Rod.

ISWYM - although it's no. 3 in my edition (compact, needs
magnifying glass, weighs 4kg per each of two volumes).
SNIP

Ditto. Fifteen quid as a book club introductory deal in the seventies
IIRC. Once started it's hard to put down, a real page turner :-)


Not much of a plot, though?

It's what I call a "seriesal" - seperate story lines with a few common,
non-essential, threads, much like most series on TV these days.
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

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On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 12:16:03 +0100, "tim....."
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 09:36:02 +0100, Martin wrote:

On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 17:54:57 +0100, Davey
wrote:

On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:41:43 +0100
wrote:

On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 19:00:41 +0100, Bill Wright
wrote:

wrote:

Their simple alternative is to move to a surburban area and
complain about pollution /crime /lack of parking.
and traffic jams, and schools full of kids who don't speak English
so your kids get a poor deal, and crowded pavements, and nightmarish
pushing and shoving on public transport, and graffiti, and people
not speaking to their neighbours.

Very true.
Also many who move to the country start moaning about farmyard smells,
cocks crowing, church bells,

That was my favourite one. I think the council should have told him
where to go, instead of telling the church to mute its bells.

There are local residents who don't like their sleep being disturbed
by church bells too. It's not just newcomers.

If they/you have grown up next to them, surely you became habituated?

I lived for a while under an airport flightpath and soon got used to
flights coming in early in the morning.

I didn't.

After 8 years of still be woken up at 5:30 in the morning I decided that I
had to move.

Such a shame, nicest house that I ever owned

I never got used to being woken up at early every Sunday morning with
a single bell going on for about 10 minutes.
--
(\__/) M.
(='.'=) If a man stands in a forest and no woman is around
(")_(") is he still wrong?

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In message , Mark
writes
On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 12:16:03 +0100, "tim....."
wrote:


wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 09:36:02 +0100, Martin wrote:

On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 17:54:57 +0100, Davey
wrote:

On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:41:43 +0100
wrote:

On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 19:00:41 +0100, Bill Wright
wrote:

wrote:

Their simple alternative is to move to a surburban area and
complain about pollution /crime /lack of parking.
and traffic jams, and schools full of kids who don't speak English
so your kids get a poor deal, and crowded pavements, and nightmarish
pushing and shoving on public transport, and graffiti, and people
not speaking to their neighbours.

Very true.
Also many who move to the country start moaning about farmyard smells,
cocks crowing, church bells,

That was my favourite one. I think the council should have told him
where to go, instead of telling the church to mute its bells.

There are local residents who don't like their sleep being disturbed
by church bells too. It's not just newcomers.

If they/you have grown up next to them, surely you became habituated?

I lived for a while under an airport flightpath and soon got used to
flights coming in early in the morning.

I didn't.

After 8 years of still be woken up at 5:30 in the morning I decided that I
had to move.

Such a shame, nicest house that I ever owned

I never got used to being woken up at early every Sunday morning with
a single bell going on for about 10 minutes.

Likewise, but the Sally Army Silver Band instead.

The church bells in the middle of this town are nothing but a bloody
racket.

They seem to practice all the time, and play a tune that sounds like
Twinkle Twinkle, but with an extra note.

If I was a believer, I'd be having a word.

The people who support this din would be straight on the phone to the
council if they could faintly hear a rock/pop band rehearsing a mile
away.
--
Ian

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On Mon, 24 Sep 2012 22:40:58 +0100, Pete Shew
wrote:

On 24/09/2012 09:52, PeterC wrote:
On Mon, 24 Sep 2012 08:44:09 +0100, Roderick Stewart wrote:

(Having said that, the first meaning for "pollution" in the OED did surprise
me. I had no idea it ever meant that).

Rod.

ISWYM - although it's no. 3 in my edition (compact, needs magnifying glass,
weighs 4kg per each of two volumes).
SNIP

Ditto. Fifteen quid as a book club introductory deal in the seventies
IIRC. Once started it's hard to put down, a real page turner :-)

I do think it was the 'smiley' that made me recall Black Adder's use
of exactly that phrase ("a real page turner").
--
Regards, J B Good