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BBC in an independent Scotland
It is reported today that Salmond wants to replace BBC Scotland with a
Scottish broadcaster IF Scotland votes for independence. Leaving aside the politics, if this comes to pass will there be any practical difficulty receiving BBC channels via Freesat? Are they beamed to prevent viewers outside the UK receiving them? Could the footprint be fine-tuned to prevent reception in Scotland? If Salmond decides to jam these broadcasts (as in the cold war era) would this require jamming from a satellite or could the jamming equipment be at ground level :-) |
BBC in an independent Scotland
Scott wrote:
It is reported today that Salmond wants to replace BBC Scotland with a Scottish broadcaster IF Scotland votes for independence. Leaving aside the politics, if this comes to pass will there be any practical difficulty receiving BBC channels via Freesat? Are they beamed to prevent viewers outside the UK receiving them? Could the footprint be fine-tuned to prevent reception in Scotland? No, it can't. Future satellites might well have a tighter beam, to reduce the signal in Scotland, but current 'UK' beams include the whole of the UK If Salmond decides to jam these broadcasts (as in the cold war era) would this require jamming from a satellite or could the jamming equipment be at ground level :-) Jamming is non starter for satellite broadcasts. The only way is to disrupt the uplink, by firing a jamming signal at the satellite, which would kill the downlink signal everywhere. -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. www.paras.org.uk |
BBC in an independent Scotland
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:39:40 +0100, Mark Carver
wrote: Scott wrote: It is reported today that Salmond wants to replace BBC Scotland with a Scottish broadcaster IF Scotland votes for independence. Leaving aside the politics, if this comes to pass will there be any practical difficulty receiving BBC channels via Freesat? Are they beamed to prevent viewers outside the UK receiving them? Could the footprint be fine-tuned to prevent reception in Scotland? No, it can't. Future satellites might well have a tighter beam, to reduce the signal in Scotland, but current 'UK' beams include the whole of the UK If Salmond decides to jam these broadcasts (as in the cold war era) would this require jamming from a satellite or could the jamming equipment be at ground level :-) Jamming is non starter for satellite broadcasts. The only way is to disrupt the uplink, by firing a jamming signal at the satellite, which would kill the downlink signal everywhere. Is the satellite within range of Scotland or would this need to be done from by a naval vessel at sea nearer the equator :-) |
BBC in an independent Scotland
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Mark Carver wrote: No, it can't. Future satellites might well have a tighter beam, to reduce the signal in Scotland, And even that would be pointless. It's less than 50 miles from Edinburgh to the border, and about 80 from Glasgow. A beam that gives a good signal to all of England will still be reasonable for the major centres of population in Scotland. -- Richard |
BBC in an independent Scotland
On 25/08/2012 16:34, Scott wrote:
It is reported today that Salmond wants to replace BBC Scotland with a Scottish broadcaster IF Scotland votes for independence. Leaving aside the politics, if this comes to pass will there be any practical difficulty receiving BBC channels via Freesat? Are they beamed to prevent viewers outside the UK receiving them? Could the footprint be fine-tuned to prevent reception in Scotland? If Salmond decides to jam these broadcasts (as in the cold war era) would this require jamming from a satellite or could the jamming equipment be at ground level :-) when you set up freesat it asks for your postcode - if you're daft enough to put in a scottish one.... -- Gareth. That fly.... Is your magic wand. |
BBC in an independent Scotland
In article , Scott
wrote: It is reported today that Salmond wants to replace BBC Scotland with a Scottish broadcaster IF Scotland votes for independence. You can perhaps clarify if that simply means 'BBC Scotland' (the station) or the entire BBC broadcast distribution in Scotland. Quite a large distinction since in practice the TV 'station' is a part-time minor part of all the BBC output delivered into Scotland. Also of interest to know where this is reported. Your posting is the only place I've noticed it. But I tend not to see TV news, etc, over a weekend. Leaving aside the politics, if this comes to pass will there be any practical difficulty receiving BBC channels via Freesat? Are they beamed to prevent viewers outside the UK receiving them? Could the footprint be fine-tuned to prevent reception in Scotland? It seems unlikely. And shaving towards 'politics' I suspect he'd find it a vote loser to try and remove all BBC distribution in Scotland. Given how adept he is, I wonder if he would be so rash. So any such statement now may be a ploy to gain political attention... but might backfire on him if pushed too far. I suspect most people wouldn't be too bothered if 'BBC Scotland' as a station that puts some opt outs, etc, onto the 'BBC1' and 'BBC2' streams was replaced by something 'independently Scottish' in terms of production and ownership, etc. But trying to remove *all* BBC TV and Radio would, I think, annoy far more people than it would please. I don't doubt there are some people who dislike the BBC and regard it as the 'English Broadcasting Corp.' and want it replaced for political reasons. But I guess the votes he'd gain from them are already in his pocket. Whereas he could lose many 'undecided' votes if seen as the man who would take away all the BBC stations. If Salmond decides to jam these broadcasts (as in the cold war era) would this require jamming from a satellite or could the jamming equipment be at ground level :-) I suspect it would be illegal as it would mean jamming the uplink input or putting a nearby satellite in as a jammer, which would be likely to upset viewing below the line. And the use of broadcasting, etc, are set by international agreements and law. Oh well, at least it would mean we could stop bothering too much about 4G upsetting BBCA from Angus on ch60-. :-) Slainte, Jim -- Please use the address on the audiomisc page if you wish to email me. Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html |
BBC in an independent Scotland
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 17:07:20 +0100, the dog from that film you saw
wrote: On 25/08/2012 16:34, Scott wrote: It is reported today that Salmond wants to replace BBC Scotland with a Scottish broadcaster IF Scotland votes for independence. Leaving aside the politics, if this comes to pass will there be any practical difficulty receiving BBC channels via Freesat? Are they beamed to prevent viewers outside the UK receiving them? Could the footprint be fine-tuned to prevent reception in Scotland? If Salmond decides to jam these broadcasts (as in the cold war era) would this require jamming from a satellite or could the jamming equipment be at ground level :-) when you set up freesat it asks for your postcode - if you're daft enough to put in a scottish one.... What is the purpose of the postcode? Is it to confirm eligibility or just to predict user preferences? Anyway I'm sure my Glasgow postcode is SW4 ... |
BBC in an independent Scotland
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 18:33:29 +0200, Martin wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 17:07:20 +0100, the dog from that film you saw wrote: On 25/08/2012 16:34, Scott wrote: It is reported today that Salmond wants to replace BBC Scotland with a Scottish broadcaster IF Scotland votes for independence. Leaving aside the politics, if this comes to pass will there be any practical difficulty receiving BBC channels via Freesat? Are they beamed to prevent viewers outside the UK receiving them? Could the footprint be fine-tuned to prevent reception in Scotland? If Salmond decides to jam these broadcasts (as in the cold war era) would this require jamming from a satellite or could the jamming equipment be at ground level :-) when you set up freesat it asks for your postcode - if you're daft enough to put in a scottish one.... ... you get BBC Scotland as your prime channels. At least then the main BBC news isn't identical to the local news. You mean the main BBC news is identical to the London news :-) |
BBC in an independent Scotland
Scott wrote:
Is the satellite within range of Scotland or would this need to be done from by a naval vessel at sea nearer the equator :-) More seriously, I don't know what the uplink footprint for a satellite is ? Astra for instance uplinked to from London, Hampshire, Herts, and Luxmemburg. Not sure if the uplink footprint is the same as the downlink ? You may remember last year persons unknown zapped one of the transponders used by Al Jazeera during the Egyptian uprising. -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. www.paras.org.uk |
BBC in an independent Scotland
On 25/08/2012 17:31, Scott wrote:
when you set up freesat it asks for your postcode - if you're daft enough to put in a scottish one.... What is the purpose of the postcode? Is it to confirm eligibility or just to predict user preferences? Anyway I'm sure my Glasgow postcode is SW4 ... so you can have your local flavour of bbc 1,2 and itv on 101,102,103 the rest lurk up in the 900s -- Gareth. That fly.... Is your magic wand. |
BBC in an independent Scotland
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:34:42 +0100, Scott
wrote: It is reported today that Salmond wants to replace BBC Scotland with a Scottish broadcaster IF Scotland votes for independence. Leaving aside the politics, if this comes to pass will there be any practical difficulty receiving BBC channels via Freesat? Are they beamed to prevent viewers outside the UK receiving them? Could the footprint be fine-tuned to prevent reception in Scotland? If Salmond decides to jam these broadcasts (as in the cold war era) would this require jamming from a satellite or could the jamming equipment be at ground level :-) He might very well want to start up a separate Scottish broadcaster. But what possible motive could he have for jamming the BBC? I would imagine that most of his supporters watch the popular BBC programmes and he's hardly likely to offend them. In any case they could simply watch any 'jammed' programmes on iPlayer. |
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BBC in an independent Scotland - or why TV aerials in north Wales point to England
"Mark Carver" wrote in message ... Scott wrote: Is the satellite within range of Scotland or would this need to be done from by a naval vessel at sea nearer the equator :-) NO Well I suppose if Scotland joined the space age and put up a satellite at 28E with higher output than the BBC on a tight beam and rely on FM capture. They might find themselves at war with Luxembourg... More seriously, I don't know what the uplink footprint for a satellite is ? Astra for instance uplinked to from London, Hampshire, Herts, and Luxmemburg. Not sure if the uplink footprint is the same as the downlink ? Even if it isn't they can use much bigger dishes and more power to uplink and get around this problem. You may remember last year persons unknown zapped one of the transponders used by Al Jazeera during the Egyptian uprising. And Iran jammed BBC World. -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. www.paras.org.uk |
BBC in an independent Scotland
On 25/08/2012 16:34, Scott wrote:
It is reported today that Salmond wants to replace BBC Scotland with a Scottish broadcaster IF Scotland votes for independence. Leaving aside the politics, if this comes to pass will there be any practical difficulty receiving BBC channels via Freesat? Are they beamed to prevent viewers outside the UK receiving them? Could the footprint be fine-tuned to prevent reception in Scotland? If Salmond decides to jam these broadcasts (as in the cold war era) would this require jamming from a satellite or could the jamming equipment be at ground level :-) Could someone please jam Salmond? Mal |
BBC in an independent Scotland
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:38:37 +0100, lid wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:06:23 +0100, Graham. wrote: On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 20:56:57 +0100, lid wrote: On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:34:42 +0100, Scott wrote: It is reported today that Salmond wants to replace BBC Scotland with a Scottish broadcaster IF Scotland votes for independence. Leaving aside the politics, if this comes to pass will there be any practical difficulty receiving BBC channels via Freesat? Are they beamed to prevent viewers outside the UK receiving them? Could the footprint be fine-tuned to prevent reception in Scotland? If Salmond decides to jam these broadcasts (as in the cold war era) would this require jamming from a satellite or could the jamming equipment be at ground level :-) He might very well want to start up a separate Scottish broadcaster. But what possible motive could he have for jamming the BBC? I would imagine that most of his supporters watch the popular BBC programmes and he's hardly likely to offend them. In any case they could simply watch any 'jammed' programmes on iPlayer. I thought iPlayer didn't work from foreign countries, without resorting to devious means. Will an independent Scotland be any less foreign? Serious question, I really don't know. The iPlayer block is due to licensing restrictions on (some of) the programme material. In future BBC would simply have to include Scotland in any relevant contract negotiationss. Since that area is already included in existing contracts I don't see why it would be any more difficult to retain it in the future. The more difficult issue might be splitting up the terrestrial transmitter network, depending on which if any of the other BBC channels were to be allowed to continue in Scotland. That's only a temporary issue of course, pending TSO. But this is all academic as the OP has not explained why Salmond might want to block BBC Scotland. I can see far more serious issues for an independent Scotland than this. Well quite, the biggest constitutianl crisis since... well, you tell me. The press seem very laid back about it all thus far. -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
BBC in an independent Scotland
On 25/08/2012 16:34, Scott wrote:
It is reported today that Salmond wants to replace BBC Scotland with a Scottish broadcaster IF Scotland votes for independence. Leaving aside the politics, if this comes to pass will there be any practical difficulty receiving BBC channels via Freesat? Are they beamed to prevent viewers outside the UK receiving them? Could the footprint be fine-tuned to prevent reception in Scotland? If Salmond decides to jam these broadcasts (as in the cold war era) would this require jamming from a satellite or could the jamming equipment be at ground level :-) http://zcint.co.uk/article/no-surpri...casting-vision Does he see it as a means of profiting from the license fee? Mal |
BBC in an independent Scotland - or why TV aerials in north Walespoint to England
R. Mark Clayton wrote:
Well I suppose if Scotland joined the space age and put up a satellite at 28E with higher output than the BBC on a tight beam and rely on FM capture. So the uplinks are FM? Really? Bill |
BBC in an independent Scotland - or why TV aerials in north Wales point to England
On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 01:40:26 +0100, Bill Wright
wrote: R. Mark Clayton wrote: Well I suppose if Scotland joined the space age and put up a satellite at 28E with higher output than the BBC on a tight beam and rely on FM capture. So the uplinks are FM? Really? Bill Well narrow band frequency modulation and phase modulation were often used interchangeably even though we knew there was a difference in theory. QPSK is a form of phase modulation, but whether it is prone to the capture effect rather than just being swamped I have no idea. -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
BBC in an independent Scotland - or why TV aerials in north Wales point to England
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:19:18 +0100, R. Mark Clayton
wrote: Well I suppose if Scotland joined the space age and put up a satellite at 28E with higher output than the BBC on a tight beam and rely on FM capture. You are deluding yourself if you think it's FM. What you propose wouldn't work anyway and the satellite operator would certainly have something to say about hitting it with more than double normal power. More seriously, I don't know what the uplink footprint for a satellite is ? Astra for instance uplinked to from London, Hampshire, Herts, and Luxmemburg. Not sure if the uplink footprint is the same as the downlink ? It's broadly similar, as one would expect. Even if it isn't they can use much bigger dishes and more power to uplink and get around this problem. Within reason. |
BBC in an independent Scotland - or why TV aerials in north Wales point to England
On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 01:53:09 +0100, Graham wrote:
Well I suppose if Scotland joined the space age and put up a satellite at 28E with higher output than the BBC on a tight beam and rely on FM capture. So the uplinks are FM? Really? Well narrow band frequency modulation and phase modulation were often used interchangeably even though we knew there was a difference in theory. QPSK is a form of phase modulation, but whether it is prone to the capture effect rather than just being swamped I have no idea. The satellite uplinks we are talking about can hardly be thought of as narrow band. |
BBC in an independent Scotland
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:22:17 +0100, Mal Travers wrote:
On 25/08/2012 16:34, Scott wrote: It is reported today that Salmond wants to replace BBC Scotland with a Scottish broadcaster IF Scotland votes for independence. Leaving aside the politics, if this comes to pass will there be any practical difficulty receiving BBC channels via Freesat? Are they beamed to prevent viewers outside the UK receiving them? Could the footprint be fine-tuned to prevent reception in Scotland? If Salmond decides to jam these broadcasts (as in the cold war era) would this require jamming from a satellite or could the jamming equipment be at ground level :-) Could someone please jam Salmond? Mal Wouldn't tar be better? -- Peter. The gods will stay away whilst religions hold sway |
BBC in an independent Scotland
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 20:19:51 +0100, the dog from that film you saw
wrote: On 25/08/2012 17:31, Scott wrote: when you set up freesat it asks for your postcode - if you're daft enough to put in a scottish one.... What is the purpose of the postcode? Is it to confirm eligibility or just to predict user preferences? Anyway I'm sure my Glasgow postcode is SW4 ... so you can have your local flavour of bbc 1,2 and itv on 101,102,103 the rest lurk up in the 900s So you get all the channels and just need to know the right numbers? I can to that! |
BBC in an independent Scotland
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:38:37 +0100, lid wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:06:23 +0100, Graham. wrote: On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 20:56:57 +0100, lid wrote: On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:34:42 +0100, Scott wrote: It is reported today that Salmond wants to replace BBC Scotland with a Scottish broadcaster IF Scotland votes for independence. Leaving aside the politics, if this comes to pass will there be any practical difficulty receiving BBC channels via Freesat? Are they beamed to prevent viewers outside the UK receiving them? Could the footprint be fine-tuned to prevent reception in Scotland? If Salmond decides to jam these broadcasts (as in the cold war era) would this require jamming from a satellite or could the jamming equipment be at ground level :-) He might very well want to start up a separate Scottish broadcaster. But what possible motive could he have for jamming the BBC? I would imagine that most of his supporters watch the popular BBC programmes and he's hardly likely to offend them. In any case they could simply watch any 'jammed' programmes on iPlayer. I thought iPlayer didn't work from foreign countries, without resorting to devious means. Will an independent Scotland be any less foreign? Serious question, I really don't know. The iPlayer block is due to licensing restrictions on (some of) the programme material. In future BBC would simply have to include Scotland in any relevant contract negotiationss. Since that area is already included in existing contracts I don't see why it would be any more difficult to retain it in the future. Or exclude Scotland, depending on the funding arrangements for the BBC. The more difficult issue might be splitting up the terrestrial transmitter network, depending on which if any of the other BBC channels were to be allowed to continue in Scotland. That's only a temporary issue of course, pending TSO. Why is that difficult? We manage to exclude ITV1 and include STV (North and Central) on both HD and SD without difficulty. But this is all academic as the OP has not explained why Salmond might want to block BBC Scotland. But I did instead include the symbol :-) at the end of the paragraph. I can see far more serious issues for an independent Scotland than this. So can I, but there is the concept of off topic and I did say 'leaving aside the politics' for that reason. |
BBC in an independent Scotland
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 13:15:22 -0700 (PDT), Owain
wrote: On Aug 25, 4:34*pm, Scott wrote: It is reported today that Salmond wants to replace BBC Scotland with a Scottish broadcaster IF Scotland votes for independence. There is no economic imperative for the BBC to restrict its transmissions to non-Scotland rest-of-UK as long as it continues to receive licence fee income. However, if Mr S decides to abolish the licence fee, or appropriate it to an SNPCB, the BBC might be less willing to provide free programming north of the border. Mr S also seems to assume the BBC will be happy to hand over its premises and staff to an SNPBC instead of retaining them for its own use or auctioning them to the highest bidder. Do they own Pacific Quay or is it leased like MediaCity UK? |
BBC in an independent Scotland
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brightside S9 wrote: On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 20:56:57 +0100, lid wrote: On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:34:42 +0100, Scott wrote: It is reported today that Salmond wants to replace BBC Scotland with a Scottish broadcaster IF Scotland votes for independence. Leaving aside the politics, if this comes to pass will there be any practical difficulty receiving BBC channels via Freesat? Are they beamed to prevent viewers outside the UK receiving them? Could the footprint be fine-tuned to prevent reception in Scotland? If Salmond decides to jam these broadcasts (as in the cold war era) would this require jamming from a satellite or could the jamming equipment be at ground level :-) He might very well want to start up a separate Scottish broadcaster. But what possible motive could he have for jamming the BBC? Because he knows what is good and best for the citizens of his model state of the future, where nobody will be trusted to make their own choices, (and clocks strike thirteen). In the stage directions for the Ionescu play "The Bald Primadonna", there is one which reads: 'the clock strikes thirteen and a half'. -- From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18 |
BBC in an independent Scotland
I doubt they could do anything about it, but for all practical purposes,
they will have to continue with the same stations, maybe rebranded but the market would be too small to be unique. Brian -- -- From the sofa of Brian Gaff - Blind user, so no pictures please! "Scott" wrote in message ... It is reported today that Salmond wants to replace BBC Scotland with a Scottish broadcaster IF Scotland votes for independence. Leaving aside the politics, if this comes to pass will there be any practical difficulty receiving BBC channels via Freesat? Are they beamed to prevent viewers outside the UK receiving them? Could the footprint be fine-tuned to prevent reception in Scotland? If Salmond decides to jam these broadcasts (as in the cold war era) would this require jamming from a satellite or could the jamming equipment be at ground level :-) |
BBC in an independent Scotland
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 17:24:37 +0100, Jim Lesurf
wrote: In article , Scott wrote: It is reported today that Salmond wants to replace BBC Scotland with a Scottish broadcaster IF Scotland votes for independence. You can perhaps clarify if that simply means 'BBC Scotland' (the station) or the entire BBC broadcast distribution in Scotland. Quite a large distinction since in practice the TV 'station' is a part-time minor part of all the BBC output delivered into Scotland. I think Mr Salmond needs to clarify that. Also of interest to know where this is reported. Your posting is the only place I've noticed it. But I tend not to see TV news, etc, over a weekend. Google not working today? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-19374818 http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...?newsfeed=true http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/sc...eak-up-1278367 http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/s...e?referrer=RSS |
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On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 17:24:37 +0100, Jim Lesurf
wrote: Also of interest to know where this is reported. Your posting is the only place I've noticed it It was in The Herald. -- Alan White Mozilla Firefox and Forte Agent. By Loch Long, twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, Scotland. Webcam and weather:- http://windycroft.co.uk/weather |
BBC in an independent Scotland
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Martin wrote: In any case they could simply watch any 'jammed' programmes on iPlayer. Not without using a proxy server if the BBC treats Scotland as an alien country like they do with the rest of the non UK world. How is the BBC going to know which of my ISP's ip addresses are in Scotland? Or are you assuming that there will no longer be ISPs covering the whole of Britain? -- Richard |
BBC in an independent Scotland
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Martin wrote: How is the BBC going to know which of my ISP's ip addresses are in Scotland? Or are you assuming that there will no longer be ISPs covering the whole of Britain? I'm assuming Scotland will get a set of IP addresses that identify the country as elsewhere. Countries don't get a set of IP addresses. IP addresses are allocated to ISPs. Would a currently UK-wide ISP have to start allocating different addresses to users in Scotland? -- Richard |
BBC in an independent Scotland
"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message ... In article , Scott wrote: It is reported today that Salmond wants to replace BBC Scotland with a Scottish broadcaster IF Scotland votes for independence. You can perhaps clarify if that simply means 'BBC Scotland' (the station) or the entire BBC broadcast distribution in Scotland. Quite a large distinction since in practice the TV 'station' is a part-time minor part of all the BBC output delivered into Scotland. Also of interest to know where this is reported. Your posting is the only place I've noticed it. But I tend not to see TV news, etc, over a weekend. Google could have found this for you in about 0.001 milliseconds: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukp... 45831251751A -- JohnT |
BBC in an independent Scotland
On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:34:16 +0000 (UTC), Richard Tobin
wrote: How is the BBC going to know which of my ISP's ip addresses are in Scotland? Or are you assuming that there will no longer be ISPs covering the whole of Britain? I'm assuming Scotland will get a set of IP addresses that identify the country as elsewhere. Countries don't get a set of IP addresses. IP addresses are allocated to ISPs. Would a currently UK-wide ISP have to start allocating different addresses to users in Scotland? You're all missing the point... There won't *BE* UK-wide ISPs if Bonkers-mad Salmond gets his way. You will have to have Scottish ISPs. Then they would get their own address ranges and could be blacklisted like anyone else. Actually, I'm quite looking forward to all those loonies up there going off on their own. They would soon learn that the grass ain't greener on the other side. Roll on putting the wall back up, and checkpoints on all the cross border routes to keep the Jocks out of England without a legitimate reason. Salmond will probably only want pure-bred Scottish people next. |
BBC in an independent Scotland
On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 12:22:11 GMT, Paul Ratcliffe
Actually, I'm quite looking forward to all those loonies up there going off on their own. They would soon learn that the grass ain't greener on the other side. Roll on putting the wall back up, and checkpoints on all the cross border routes to keep the Jocks out of England without a legitimate reason. More practically, we could tell him to create his own currency (or join the Euro). It will float free from the Pound. The Bank of England will have no dealings with the Scottish government or currency. Scottish citizens will need their own passports and their own embassies around the world. Independence should be all or nothing. No picking what to abandon or keep. Salmond will probably only want pure-bred Scottish people next. are there any? |
BBC in an independent Scotland
In message , Paul Ratcliffe
writes Roll on putting the wall back up, and checkpoints on all the cross border routes to keep the Jocks out of England without a legitimate reason. Please be aware that all of Hadrian's Wall is well and truly in England - at least 60 miles south at the furthest point. -- Ian |
BBC in an independent Scotland
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Paul Ratcliffe wrote: You're all missing the point... There won't *BE* UK-wide ISPs if Bonkers-mad Salmond gets his way. Really? How will that work? Does it apply only to ISPs, or businesses in general? -- Richard |
BBC in an independent Scotland
On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:19:34 -0700 (PDT), Owain
wrote: On Aug 26, 3:56*pm, (Richard Tobin) wrote: You're all missing the point... There won't *BE* UK-wide ISPs if Bonkers-mad Salmond gets his way. Really? *How will that work? *Does it apply only to ISPs, or businesses in general? If an independent Scotland puts in a heavy regulatory burden then businesses will decide the game simply isn't worth the candle and will withdraw from Scotland. A requirement for a universal pricing and service obligation model regardless of whether the ISP is serving a customer in Drumgelloch or Durness would put many ISPs off. Once the private sector has withdrawn from the market there's no reason [1] why internet access shouldn't be a nationalised or nationally franchised industry like the railways for example. Owain [1] There are lots of reasons, actually, but unlikely to appeal to Mr Salmond. I would also expert an independent Scotland to have its own 'universal delivery' postal service. The remote deliveries will cost it an arm and a leg. |
BBC in an independent Scotland
On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 15:53:35 +0100, Ian Jackson
wrote: Roll on putting the wall back up, and checkpoints on all the cross border routes to keep the Jocks out of England without a legitimate reason. Please be aware that all of Hadrian's Wall is well and truly in England - at least 60 miles south at the furthest point. Yeah I know, but a new one could be built. The building industry apparently needs a bit of stimulation. We could get the Jocks to build it and pay them in cheap English booze. Have to make sure we send them back over the wall though when they're sozzled, but that's hardly going to be a challenge is it? |
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BBC in an independent Scotland
On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 14:56:58 +0000 (UTC), Richard Tobin
wrote: You're all missing the point... There won't *BE* UK-wide ISPs if Bonkers-mad Salmond gets his way. Really? How will that work? Does it apply only to ISPs, or businesses in general? Everything. Anything that is UK-wide now will have to have a Scottish variant shaved off the side of it. Otherwise the whole plan is a mess of inconsistency. Oh, err.... |
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