BBC in an independent Scotland - or why TV aerials in north Wales point to England
 

On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 01:53:09 +0100, Graham wrote:

Well I suppose if Scotland joined the space age and put up a satellite at
28E with higher output than the BBC on a tight beam and rely on FM capture.

So the uplinks are FM? Really?

Well narrow band frequency modulation and phase modulation were often
used interchangeably even though we knew there was a difference in
theory.
QPSK is a form of phase modulation, but whether it is prone to the
capture effect rather than just being swamped I have no idea.

The satellite uplinks we are talking about can hardly be thought of as
narrow band.

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On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:22:17 +0100, Mal Travers wrote:

On 25/08/2012 16:34, Scott wrote:
It is reported today that Salmond wants to replace BBC Scotland with a
Scottish broadcaster IF Scotland votes for independence. Leaving
aside the politics, if this comes to pass will there be any practical
difficulty receiving BBC channels via Freesat? Are they beamed to
prevent viewers outside the UK receiving them? Could the footprint be
fine-tuned to prevent reception in Scotland?

If Salmond decides to jam these broadcasts (as in the cold war era)
would this require jamming from a satellite or could the jamming
equipment be at ground level :-)

Could someone please jam Salmond?
Mal

Wouldn't tar be better?
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

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On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 20:19:51 +0100, the dog from that film you saw
wrote:

On 25/08/2012 17:31, Scott wrote:



when you set up freesat it asks for your postcode - if you're daft
enough to put in a scottish one....

What is the purpose of the postcode? Is it to confirm eligibility or
just to predict user preferences? Anyway I'm sure my Glasgow postcode
is SW4 ...



so you can have your local flavour of bbc 1,2 and itv on 101,102,103
the rest lurk up in the 900s

So you get all the channels and just need to know the right numbers? I
can to that!

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On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:38:37 +0100, lid wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:06:23 +0100, Graham.
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 20:56:57 +0100, lid wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:34:42 +0100, Scott
wrote:

It is reported today that Salmond wants to replace BBC Scotland with a
Scottish broadcaster IF Scotland votes for independence. Leaving
aside the politics, if this comes to pass will there be any practical
difficulty receiving BBC channels via Freesat? Are they beamed to
prevent viewers outside the UK receiving them? Could the footprint be
fine-tuned to prevent reception in Scotland?

If Salmond decides to jam these broadcasts (as in the cold war era)
would this require jamming from a satellite or could the jamming
equipment be at ground level :-)

He might very well want to start up a separate Scottish broadcaster.

But what possible motive could he have for jamming the BBC?

I would imagine that most of his supporters watch the popular BBC
programmes and he's hardly likely to offend them.

In any case they could simply watch any 'jammed' programmes on
iPlayer.

I thought iPlayer didn't work from foreign countries, without
resorting to devious means. Will an independent Scotland be any less
foreign?

Serious question, I really don't know.

The iPlayer block is due to licensing restrictions on (some of) the
programme material. In future BBC would simply have to include
Scotland in any relevant contract negotiationss. Since that area is
already included in existing contracts I don't see why it would be any
more difficult to retain it in the future.

Or exclude Scotland, depending on the funding arrangements for the
BBC.

The more difficult issue might be splitting up the terrestrial
transmitter network, depending on which if any of the other BBC
channels were to be allowed to continue in Scotland. That's only a
temporary issue of course, pending TSO.

Why is that difficult? We manage to exclude ITV1 and include STV
(North and Central) on both HD and SD without difficulty.

But this is all academic as the OP has not explained why Salmond might
want to block BBC Scotland.

But I did instead include the symbol :-) at the end of the paragraph.

I can see far more serious issues for an independent Scotland than
this.

So can I, but there is the concept of off topic and I did say 'leaving
aside the politics' for that reason.

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On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 13:15:22 -0700 (PDT), Owain
wrote:

On Aug 25, 4:34*pm, Scott wrote:
It is reported today that Salmond wants to replace BBC Scotland with a
Scottish broadcaster IF Scotland votes for independence.

There is no economic imperative for the BBC to restrict its
transmissions to non-Scotland rest-of-UK as long as it continues to
receive licence fee income.

However, if Mr S decides to abolish the licence fee, or appropriate it
to an SNPCB, the BBC might be less willing to provide free programming
north of the border.

Mr S also seems to assume the BBC will be happy to hand over its
premises and staff to an SNPBC instead of retaining them for its own
use or auctioning them to the highest bidder.

Do they own Pacific Quay or is it leased like MediaCity UK?

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In article ,
brightside S9 wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 20:56:57 +0100, lid wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:34:42 +0100, Scott
wrote:

It is reported today that Salmond wants to replace BBC Scotland with a
Scottish broadcaster IF Scotland votes for independence. Leaving
aside the politics, if this comes to pass will there be any practical
difficulty receiving BBC channels via Freesat? Are they beamed to
prevent viewers outside the UK receiving them? Could the footprint be
fine-tuned to prevent reception in Scotland?

If Salmond decides to jam these broadcasts (as in the cold war era)
would this require jamming from a satellite or could the jamming
equipment be at ground level :-)

He might very well want to start up a separate Scottish broadcaster.

But what possible motive could he have for jamming the BBC?

Because he knows what is good and best for the citizens of his model
state of the future, where nobody will be trusted to make their own
choices, (and clocks strike thirteen).


In the stage directions for the Ionescu play "The Bald Primadonna", there
is one which reads: 'the clock strikes thirteen and a half'.

--
From KT24

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18

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I doubt they could do anything about it, but for all practical purposes,
they will have to continue with the same stations, maybe rebranded but the
market would be too small to be unique.
Brian

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"Scott" wrote in message
...
It is reported today that Salmond wants to replace BBC Scotland with a
Scottish broadcaster IF Scotland votes for independence. Leaving
aside the politics, if this comes to pass will there be any practical
difficulty receiving BBC channels via Freesat? Are they beamed to
prevent viewers outside the UK receiving them? Could the footprint be
fine-tuned to prevent reception in Scotland?

If Salmond decides to jam these broadcasts (as in the cold war era)
would this require jamming from a satellite or could the jamming
equipment be at ground level :-)

BBC in an independent Scotland
 

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 17:24:37 +0100, Jim Lesurf
wrote:

In article , Scott
wrote:
It is reported today that Salmond wants to replace BBC Scotland with a
Scottish broadcaster IF Scotland votes for independence.

You can perhaps clarify if that simply means 'BBC Scotland' (the station)
or the entire BBC broadcast distribution in Scotland. Quite a large
distinction since in practice the TV 'station' is a part-time minor part of
all the BBC output delivered into Scotland.

I think Mr Salmond needs to clarify that.

Also of interest to know where this is reported. Your posting is
the only place I've noticed it. But I tend not to see TV news, etc,
over a weekend.

Google not working today?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-19374818
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...?newsfeed=true
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/sc...eak-up-1278367
http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/s...e?referrer=RSS

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On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 17:24:37 +0100, Jim Lesurf
wrote:

Also of interest to know where this is reported. Your posting is
the only place I've noticed it

It was in The Herald.

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In article ,
Martin wrote:

In any case they could simply watch any 'jammed' programmes on
iPlayer.

Not without using a proxy server if the BBC treats Scotland as an
alien country like they do with the rest of the non UK world.

How is the BBC going to know which of my ISP's ip addresses are in
Scotland? Or are you assuming that there will no longer be
ISPs covering the whole of Britain?

-- Richard