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[email protected] August 25th 12 09:56 PM

BBC in an independent Scotland
 
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:34:42 +0100, Scott
wrote:

It is reported today that Salmond wants to replace BBC Scotland with a
Scottish broadcaster IF Scotland votes for independence. Leaving
aside the politics, if this comes to pass will there be any practical
difficulty receiving BBC channels via Freesat? Are they beamed to
prevent viewers outside the UK receiving them? Could the footprint be
fine-tuned to prevent reception in Scotland?

If Salmond decides to jam these broadcasts (as in the cold war era)
would this require jamming from a satellite or could the jamming
equipment be at ground level :-)


He might very well want to start up a separate Scottish broadcaster.

But what possible motive could he have for jamming the BBC?

I would imagine that most of his supporters watch the popular BBC
programmes and he's hardly likely to offend them.

In any case they could simply watch any 'jammed' programmes on
iPlayer.

Graham.[_6_] August 25th 12 10:06 PM

BBC in an independent Scotland
 
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 20:56:57 +0100, lid wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:34:42 +0100, Scott
wrote:

It is reported today that Salmond wants to replace BBC Scotland with a
Scottish broadcaster IF Scotland votes for independence. Leaving
aside the politics, if this comes to pass will there be any practical
difficulty receiving BBC channels via Freesat? Are they beamed to
prevent viewers outside the UK receiving them? Could the footprint be
fine-tuned to prevent reception in Scotland?

If Salmond decides to jam these broadcasts (as in the cold war era)
would this require jamming from a satellite or could the jamming
equipment be at ground level :-)


He might very well want to start up a separate Scottish broadcaster.

But what possible motive could he have for jamming the BBC?

I would imagine that most of his supporters watch the popular BBC
programmes and he's hardly likely to offend them.

In any case they could simply watch any 'jammed' programmes on
iPlayer.


I thought iPlayer didn't work from foreign countries, without
resorting to devious means. Will an independent Scotland be any less
foreign?

Serious question, I really don't know.


--
Graham.
%Profound_observation%

R. Mark Clayton August 25th 12 10:19 PM

BBC in an independent Scotland - or why TV aerials in north Wales point to England
 

"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
Scott wrote:

Is the satellite within range of Scotland or would this need to be
done from by a naval vessel at sea nearer the equator :-)


NO

Well I suppose if Scotland joined the space age and put up a satellite at
28E with higher output than the BBC on a tight beam and rely on FM capture.

They might find themselves at war with Luxembourg...


More seriously, I don't know what the uplink footprint for a satellite is
?
Astra for instance uplinked to from London, Hampshire, Herts, and
Luxmemburg. Not sure if the uplink footprint is the same as the downlink ?


Even if it isn't they can use much bigger dishes and more power to uplink
and get around this problem.


You may remember last year persons unknown zapped one of the transponders
used by Al Jazeera during the Egyptian uprising.


And Iran jammed BBC World.


--
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

www.paras.org.uk




Mal Travers August 25th 12 10:22 PM

BBC in an independent Scotland
 
On 25/08/2012 16:34, Scott wrote:
It is reported today that Salmond wants to replace BBC Scotland with a
Scottish broadcaster IF Scotland votes for independence. Leaving
aside the politics, if this comes to pass will there be any practical
difficulty receiving BBC channels via Freesat? Are they beamed to
prevent viewers outside the UK receiving them? Could the footprint be
fine-tuned to prevent reception in Scotland?

If Salmond decides to jam these broadcasts (as in the cold war era)
would this require jamming from a satellite or could the jamming
equipment be at ground level :-)

Could someone please jam Salmond?
Mal

[email protected] August 25th 12 10:38 PM

BBC in an independent Scotland
 
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:06:23 +0100, Graham.
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 20:56:57 +0100, lid wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:34:42 +0100, Scott
wrote:

It is reported today that Salmond wants to replace BBC Scotland with a
Scottish broadcaster IF Scotland votes for independence. Leaving
aside the politics, if this comes to pass will there be any practical
difficulty receiving BBC channels via Freesat? Are they beamed to
prevent viewers outside the UK receiving them? Could the footprint be
fine-tuned to prevent reception in Scotland?

If Salmond decides to jam these broadcasts (as in the cold war era)
would this require jamming from a satellite or could the jamming
equipment be at ground level :-)


He might very well want to start up a separate Scottish broadcaster.

But what possible motive could he have for jamming the BBC?

I would imagine that most of his supporters watch the popular BBC
programmes and he's hardly likely to offend them.

In any case they could simply watch any 'jammed' programmes on
iPlayer.


I thought iPlayer didn't work from foreign countries, without
resorting to devious means. Will an independent Scotland be any less
foreign?

Serious question, I really don't know.


The iPlayer block is due to licensing restrictions on (some of) the
programme material. In future BBC would simply have to include
Scotland in any relevant contract negotiationss. Since that area is
already included in existing contracts I don't see why it would be any
more difficult to retain it in the future.

The more difficult issue might be splitting up the terrestrial
transmitter network, depending on which if any of the other BBC
channels were to be allowed to continue in Scotland. That's only a
temporary issue of course, pending TSO.

But this is all academic as the OP has not explained why Salmond might
want to block BBC Scotland.

I can see far more serious issues for an independent Scotland than
this.

Graham.[_6_] August 25th 12 11:14 PM

BBC in an independent Scotland
 
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:38:37 +0100, lid wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:06:23 +0100, Graham.
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 20:56:57 +0100,
lid wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:34:42 +0100, Scott
wrote:

It is reported today that Salmond wants to replace BBC Scotland with a
Scottish broadcaster IF Scotland votes for independence. Leaving
aside the politics, if this comes to pass will there be any practical
difficulty receiving BBC channels via Freesat? Are they beamed to
prevent viewers outside the UK receiving them? Could the footprint be
fine-tuned to prevent reception in Scotland?

If Salmond decides to jam these broadcasts (as in the cold war era)
would this require jamming from a satellite or could the jamming
equipment be at ground level :-)

He might very well want to start up a separate Scottish broadcaster.

But what possible motive could he have for jamming the BBC?

I would imagine that most of his supporters watch the popular BBC
programmes and he's hardly likely to offend them.

In any case they could simply watch any 'jammed' programmes on
iPlayer.


I thought iPlayer didn't work from foreign countries, without
resorting to devious means. Will an independent Scotland be any less
foreign?

Serious question, I really don't know.


The iPlayer block is due to licensing restrictions on (some of) the
programme material. In future BBC would simply have to include
Scotland in any relevant contract negotiationss. Since that area is
already included in existing contracts I don't see why it would be any
more difficult to retain it in the future.

The more difficult issue might be splitting up the terrestrial
transmitter network, depending on which if any of the other BBC
channels were to be allowed to continue in Scotland. That's only a
temporary issue of course, pending TSO.

But this is all academic as the OP has not explained why Salmond might
want to block BBC Scotland.

I can see far more serious issues for an independent Scotland than
this.


Well quite, the biggest constitutianl crisis since... well, you tell
me.

The press seem very laid back about it all thus far.

--
Graham.
%Profound_observation%

Mal Travers August 26th 12 01:20 AM

BBC in an independent Scotland
 
On 25/08/2012 16:34, Scott wrote:
It is reported today that Salmond wants to replace BBC Scotland with a
Scottish broadcaster IF Scotland votes for independence. Leaving
aside the politics, if this comes to pass will there be any practical
difficulty receiving BBC channels via Freesat? Are they beamed to
prevent viewers outside the UK receiving them? Could the footprint be
fine-tuned to prevent reception in Scotland?

If Salmond decides to jam these broadcasts (as in the cold war era)
would this require jamming from a satellite or could the jamming
equipment be at ground level :-)

http://zcint.co.uk/article/no-surpri...casting-vision
Does he see it as a means of profiting from the license fee?
Mal

Bill Wright[_2_] August 26th 12 02:40 AM

BBC in an independent Scotland - or why TV aerials in north Walespoint to England
 
R. Mark Clayton wrote:

Well I suppose if Scotland joined the space age and put up a satellite at
28E with higher output than the BBC on a tight beam and rely on FM capture.


So the uplinks are FM? Really?

Bill

Graham.[_6_] August 26th 12 02:53 AM

BBC in an independent Scotland - or why TV aerials in north Wales point to England
 
On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 01:40:26 +0100, Bill Wright
wrote:

R. Mark Clayton wrote:

Well I suppose if Scotland joined the space age and put up a satellite at
28E with higher output than the BBC on a tight beam and rely on FM capture.


So the uplinks are FM? Really?

Bill


Well narrow band frequency modulation and phase modulation were often
used interchangeably even though we knew there was a difference in
theory.
QPSK is a form of phase modulation, but whether it is prone to the
capture effect rather than just being swamped I have no idea.



--
Graham.
%Profound_observation%

Paul Ratcliffe August 26th 12 06:53 AM

BBC in an independent Scotland - or why TV aerials in north Wales point to England
 
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:19:18 +0100, R. Mark Clayton
wrote:

Well I suppose if Scotland joined the space age and put up a satellite at
28E with higher output than the BBC on a tight beam and rely on FM capture.


You are deluding yourself if you think it's FM. What you propose wouldn't
work anyway and the satellite operator would certainly have something to
say about hitting it with more than double normal power.

More seriously, I don't know what the uplink footprint for a satellite is
?
Astra for instance uplinked to from London, Hampshire, Herts, and
Luxmemburg. Not sure if the uplink footprint is the same as the downlink ?


It's broadly similar, as one would expect.

Even if it isn't they can use much bigger dishes and more power to uplink
and get around this problem.


Within reason.


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