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I notice that most tvs these days have really awful sound, toppy and brash.
Its a tradition for tvs to be the poor relation of the home entertainment devices, and I suppose one is supposed to plug it into a surround system or whatever to make it worth while. Are there any reasonably priced tvs that do not sound like a bucket of bolts rattling in a plastic tuppaware box? Brian -- -- From the sofa of Brian Gaff - Blind user, so no pictures please! |
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In article ,
Brian Gaff wrote: I notice that most tvs these days have really awful sound, toppy and brash. Its a tradition for tvs to be the poor relation of the home entertainment devices, and I suppose one is supposed to plug it into a surround system or whatever to make it worth while. Are there any reasonably priced tvs that do not sound like a bucket of bolts rattling in a plastic tuppaware box? Of course not. Loud speaker technology has barely changed over the years, so there is no cheap way of making decent ones. And those decent ones tend to take up space - most seem to want a TV barely bigger than the screen. Resulting in the nasty speakers fitted sounding even nastier - due to not pointing at you. Because sadly the laws of sound propagation haven't changed either. -- *Bills travel through the mail at twice the speed of cheques * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 14:08:05 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
wrote: I notice that most tvs these days have really awful sound, toppy and brash. Its a tradition for tvs to be the poor relation of the home entertainment devices, and I suppose one is supposed to plug it into a surround system or whatever to make it worth while. Are there any reasonably priced tvs that do not sound like a bucket of bolts rattling in a plastic tuppaware box? Brian -- Even in the days when TV sets were cavernous wooden cabinets, the sound people I met in the TV broadcasting industry used to wonder what the point was of their high standards when receiver standards were often so poor. It wasn't uncommon for recievers to pick up Radio Moscow in the 49m band. -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
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On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 14:08:05 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
wrote: I notice that most tvs these days have really awful sound, toppy and brash. Its a tradition for tvs to be the poor relation of the home entertainment devices, and I suppose one is supposed to plug it into a surround system or whatever to make it worth while. Are there any reasonably priced tvs that do not sound like a bucket of bolts rattling in a plastic tuppaware box? Brian -- I find small Samsung TVs have good sound. I don't know about large TVs as I haven't got any/ Steve -- Neural Network Software. http://www.npsl1.com EasyNN-plus. Neural Networks plus. http://www.easynn.com SwingNN. Forecast with Neural Networks. http://www.swingnn.com JustNN. Just Neural Networks. http://www.justnn.com |
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"Graham." wrote in message
... On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 14:08:05 +0100, "Brian Gaff" wrote: I notice that most tvs these days have really awful sound, toppy and brash. Its a tradition for tvs to be the poor relation of the home entertainment devices, and I suppose one is supposed to plug it into a surround system or whatever to make it worth while. Are there any reasonably priced tvs that do not sound like a bucket of bolts rattling in a plastic tuppaware box? Even in the days when TV sets were cavernous wooden cabinets, the sound people I met in the TV broadcasting industry used to wonder what the point was of their high standards when receiver standards were often so poor. It wasn't uncommon for recievers to pick up Radio Moscow in the 49m band. They had to put the speaker right at the back so as not to upset the electron beams in the tube. Sometimes the speaker could be repositioned between the left and right (presumably by the installation engineer) so that it wasn't next to a wall. -- Max Demian |
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On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 16:02:33 +0100
Stephen Wolstenholme wrote: On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 14:08:05 +0100, "Brian Gaff" wrote: I notice that most tvs these days have really awful sound, toppy and brash. Its a tradition for tvs to be the poor relation of the home entertainment devices, and I suppose one is supposed to plug it into a surround system or whatever to make it worth while. Are there any reasonably priced tvs that do not sound like a bucket of bolts rattling in a plastic tuppaware box? Brian -- I find small Samsung TVs have good sound. I don't know about large TVs as I haven't got any/ Steve From my limited experience, I would agree. Our small Samsung has much better sound than the bigger Toshiba. I bought a set of powered PC speakers for the Toshiba, which plug into the headphone socket on the side of the screen frame. I can also plug it into the HiFi, but I have to unplug something else, and it only sends out of a SCART socket what the TV antenna input is tuned to. So if I am watching a DVD playing on a DVD player and plugged in to a SCART socket, I can't send the sound to the HiFi. Weird. I haven't tried it with an HDMI input yet. -- Davey. |
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On 14/07/2012 14:08, Brian Gaff wrote:
I notice that most tvs these days have really awful sound, toppy and brash. Its a tradition for tvs to be the poor relation of the home entertainment devices, and I suppose one is supposed to plug it into a surround system or whatever to make it worth while. Are there any reasonably priced tvs that do not sound like a bucket of bolts rattling in a plastic tuppaware box? Brian just get a soundbar - flat tv = flat sound. -- Gareth. That fly.... Is your magic wand. |
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Probably not. Just give up the search. I gave it up about 40 years ago. If you
want good sound you have to use a sound system. My TV is nothing more than a display device for various bits of AV gear, and the sound goes through separate loudspeakers designed for the job. The sound from some TVs can be best described as not excruciatingly bad, but I've never heard a good one. In article , Brian Gaff wrote: I notice that most tvs these days have really awful sound, toppy and brash. Its a tradition for tvs to be the poor relation of the home entertainment devices, and I suppose one is supposed to plug it into a surround system or whatever to make it worth while. Are there any reasonably priced tvs that do not sound like a bucket of bolts rattling in a plastic tuppaware box? -- Virtual Access V6.3 free usenet/email software from http://sourceforge.net/projects/virtual-access/ |
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On 14/07/12 15:47, Graham. wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 14:08:05 +0100, "Brian Gaff" wrote: It wasn't uncommon for recievers to pick up Radio Moscow in the 49m band. Just reminded me of this Bush set we had in the late 70's that drove us mad with 'The Woodpecker' |
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On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 18:29:38 +0100, dave wrote:
On 14/07/12 15:47, Graham. wrote: On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 14:08:05 +0100, "Brian Gaff" wrote: It wasn't uncommon for recievers to pick up Radio Moscow in the 49m band. Just reminded me of this Bush set we had in the late 70's that drove us mad with 'The Woodpecker' A homemade braid-breaker would usually cure it. -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
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Graham. wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 18:29:38 +0100, dave wrote: On 14/07/12 15:47, Graham. wrote: On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 14:08:05 +0100, "Brian Gaff" wrote: It wasn't uncommon for recievers to pick up Radio Moscow in the 49m band. Just reminded me of this Bush set we had in the late 70's that drove us mad with 'The Woodpecker' A homemade braid-breaker would usually cure it. It got into my portable Decca FM/MW/LW/SW set, and rendered any weak FM radio stations unlistenable. -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. www.paras.org.uk |
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Max Demian wrote:
They had to put the speaker right at the back so as not to upset the electron beams in the tube. Sometimes the speaker could be repositioned between the left and right (presumably by the installation engineer) so that it wasn't next to a wall. The big console models I remember had round speakers some distance below the tube, at the front. Bill |
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Mark Carver wrote:
Just reminded me of this Bush set we had in the late 70's that drove us mad with 'The Woodpecker' A homemade braid-breaker would usually cure it. It got into my portable Decca FM/MW/LW/SW set, and rendered any weak FM radio stations unlistenable. It got into my anal vibrator and drove up me up the wall. Bill |
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Bill Wright wrote:
Mark Carver wrote: Just reminded me of this Bush set we had in the late 70's that drove us mad with 'The Woodpecker' A homemade braid-breaker would usually cure it. It got into my portable Decca FM/MW/LW/SW set, and rendered any weak FM radio stations unlistenable. It got into my anal vibrator and drove up me up the wall. Bill That must have been a pain in the arse Steve Terry -- Get a free GiffGaff PAYG Sim and £5 bonus after activation at: http://giffgaff.com/orders/affiliate/gfourwwk |
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Brian Gaff wrote:
I notice that most tvs these days have really awful sound, toppy and brash. Its a tradition for tvs to be the poor relation of the home entertainment devices, and I suppose one is supposed to plug it into a surround system or whatever to make it worth while. Are there any reasonably priced tvs that do not sound like a bucket of bolts rattling in a plastic tuppaware box? Brian Buy a 5.1 amp with a decent set of 6 speakers, and plug the TVs audio output into it Steve Terry -- Get a free GiffGaff PAYG Sim and £5 bonus after activation at: http://giffgaff.com/orders/affiliate/gfourwwk |
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"Brian Gaff" wrote in message ... Are there any reasonably priced tvs that do not sound like a bucket of bolts rattling in a plastic tuppaware box? Yes. -- JohnT |
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Yes, the Bairds original colour models had a big speaker in the front. One
issue with these was the ringing effect of the tube and springs inside could clearly be heard. Brian -- -- From the sofa of Brian Gaff - Blind user, so no pictures please! "Bill Wright" wrote in message ... Max Demian wrote: They had to put the speaker right at the back so as not to upset the electron beams in the tube. Sometimes the speaker could be repositioned between the left and right (presumably by the installation engineer) so that it wasn't next to a wall. The big console models I remember had round speakers some distance below the tube, at the front. Bill |
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Yes, well Power line internet devices seem to creat the same effect on some
AV amps round here. Seems the new adaptors when idling produce short shart bursts, vey like ignition interference but more fat and regular. When will they learn that mains wiring is just not the place for digital communication! Brian -- -- From the sofa of Brian Gaff - Blind user, so no pictures please! "dave" wrote in message ... On 14/07/12 15:47, Graham. wrote: On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 14:08:05 +0100, "Brian Gaff" wrote: It wasn't uncommon for recievers to pick up Radio Moscow in the 49m band. Just reminded me of this Bush set we had in the late 70's that drove us mad with 'The Woodpecker' |
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That explains a lot then.
Brian -- -- From the sofa of Brian Gaff - Blind user, so no pictures please! "Bill Wright" wrote in message ... Mark Carver wrote: Just reminded me of this Bush set we had in the late 70's that drove us mad with 'The Woodpecker' A homemade braid-breaker would usually cure it. It got into my portable Decca FM/MW/LW/SW set, and rendered any weak FM radio stations unlistenable. It got into my anal vibrator and drove up me up the wall. Bill |
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On 14/07/2012 14:08, Brian Gaff wrote:
I notice that most tvs these days have really awful sound, toppy and brash. Its a tradition for tvs to be the poor relation of the home entertainment devices, and I suppose one is supposed to plug it into a surround system or whatever to make it worth while. Are there any reasonably priced tvs that do not sound like a bucket of bolts rattling in a plastic tuppaware box? Brian Apart from cost, is there any reason why external speaker sockets could not be made available on small TVs (19 - 24")? It seems to me that even a a couple of small speakers in a decent cabinet (maybe something like those in reasonable 5.1 systems) would sound far better than the inbuilt speaker(s). I know that most of these small TVs only have a power output in the low single watts range, but that should be sufficient for most purposes. -- Jeff |
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"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
... Well, there was a lot of work done on containing the magnetic field and there were some nice sounding eliptical speakers also, some very long and thin. Rediffusion used to use these and they actually sounded quite nice. Things got a little worse when transistors were used though, but soon this was sorted out. Until recently I had a 25" CRT TV right next to a big hi-fi speaker. I found that if I made the TV show a clear white ground and I took the speaker away, there was slight but noticeable coloration the side the speaker had been, which disappeared when I put the speaker back. This was presumably the ability of the TV to adjust to different magnetic fields, but I have no idea how it works. I tried switching the set off and on again a few times with the speaker removed with no effect, so either it takes a lot of power cycles to do it or the mechanism wasn't working any more. Is it true that in the early days of colour TV you had to call an engineer in to degauss your set if you moved it to a different part of the room? -- Max Demian |
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Max Demian wrote:
I tried switching the set off and on again a few times with the speaker removed with no effect, so either it takes a lot of power cycles to do it or the mechanism wasn't working any more. Don't de-gauss circuits only cut-in for the first few seconds when the TV is stone cold? |
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On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:42:46 +0100, "Max Demian"
wrote: Is it true that in the early days of colour TV you had to call an engineer in to degauss your set if you moved it to a different part of the room? I was a TV engineer when colour TV started and I can't remember ever having to degauss a set when it had been moved. Sometimes a set needed degaussing after installation but that wasn't very common. Most sets were not shaken up too much in the delivery van and the coils usually stayed in place. Steve -- Neural Network Software. http://www.npsl1.com EasyNN-plus. Neural Networks plus. http://www.easynn.com SwingNN. Forecast with Neural Networks. http://www.swingnn.com JustNN. Just Neural Networks. http://www.justnn.com |
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On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:28:25 +0100, Jeff Layman
wrote: On 14/07/2012 14:08, Brian Gaff wrote: I notice that most tvs these days have really awful sound, toppy and brash. Its a tradition for tvs to be the poor relation of the home entertainment devices, and I suppose one is supposed to plug it into a surround system or whatever to make it worth while. Are there any reasonably priced tvs that do not sound like a bucket of bolts rattling in a plastic tuppaware box? Brian Apart from cost, is there any reason why external speaker sockets could not be made available on small TVs (19 - 24")? It seems to me that even a a couple of small speakers in a decent cabinet (maybe something like those in reasonable 5.1 systems) would sound far better than the inbuilt speaker(s). I know that most of these small TVs only have a power output in the low single watts range, but that should be sufficient for most purposes. A problem using external speakers with small TVs is the apparent misdirection of the sound relative to the picture. The best place for speakers is just under the screen or a balanced pair, one on either side of the screen. I find using separate hifi or surround sound systems distracts from the picture. I like the sound to come from the same direction as the screen. Steve -- Neural Network Software. http://www.npsl1.com EasyNN-plus. Neural Networks plus. http://www.easynn.com SwingNN. Forecast with Neural Networks. http://www.swingnn.com JustNN. Just Neural Networks. http://www.justnn.com |
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On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 11:12:32 +0100
Stephen Wolstenholme wrote: On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:28:25 +0100, Jeff Layman wrote: On 14/07/2012 14:08, Brian Gaff wrote: I notice that most tvs these days have really awful sound, toppy and brash. Its a tradition for tvs to be the poor relation of the home entertainment devices, and I suppose one is supposed to plug it into a surround system or whatever to make it worth while. Are there any reasonably priced tvs that do not sound like a bucket of bolts rattling in a plastic tuppaware box? Brian Apart from cost, is there any reason why external speaker sockets could not be made available on small TVs (19 - 24")? It seems to me that even a a couple of small speakers in a decent cabinet (maybe something like those in reasonable 5.1 systems) would sound far better than the inbuilt speaker(s). I know that most of these small TVs only have a power output in the low single watts range, but that should be sufficient for most purposes. A problem using external speakers with small TVs is the apparent misdirection of the sound relative to the picture. The best place for speakers is just under the screen or a balanced pair, one on either side of the screen. I find using separate hifi or surround sound systems distracts from the picture. I like the sound to come from the same direction as the screen. Steve In that respect, the Logitech PC speakers that I have are ideal, they sit at the sides of the TV, which itself sits on top of a VCR, so the speakers are to each side and level with the bottom of the screen. There is also a subwoofer, but I keep that turned down to a low level, the suspended wooden floor booms if prompted. -- Davey. |
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In article , Stephen
Wolstenholme wrote: On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:28:25 +0100, Jeff Layman wrote: On 14/07/2012 14:08, Brian Gaff wrote: I notice that most tvs these days have really awful sound, toppy and brash. Its a tradition for tvs to be the poor relation of the home entertainment devices, and I suppose one is supposed to plug it into a surround system or whatever to make it worth while. Are there any reasonably priced tvs that do not sound like a bucket of bolts rattling in a plastic tuppaware box? Brian Apart from cost, is there any reason why external speaker sockets could not be made available on small TVs (19 - 24")? It seems to me that even a a couple of small speakers in a decent cabinet (maybe something like those in reasonable 5.1 systems) would sound far better than the inbuilt speaker(s). I know that most of these small TVs only have a power output in the low single watts range, but that should be sufficient for most purposes. A problem using external speakers with small TVs is the apparent misdirection of the sound relative to the picture. The best place for speakers is just under the screen or a balanced pair, one on either side of the screen. I find using separate hifi or surround sound systems distracts from the picture. I like the sound to come from the same direction as the screen. so put the speakers either side of thescreen -- From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18 |
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In article , Jeff Layman
wrote: Apart from cost, is there any reason why external speaker sockets could not be made available on small TVs (19 - 24")? It seems to me that even a a couple of small speakers in a decent cabinet (maybe something like those in reasonable 5.1 systems) would sound far better than the inbuilt speaker(s). From the POV of manufacturers and retailers I suspect there are two main reasons why they generally don't do that. 1) It is a tacit admission that their 'fashionable' flat panel TVs can't provide decent sound without a lot of help. (Which might make people start asking why they've been flogging them for so long already!) 2) That it may deter innocent purchasers who see it in the shop beside sets that don't "need more boxes", and are probably cheaper because the makers haven't bothered. So a mix of 'wife acceptance factor', cost, etc. I guess they may also be happy in the shop to then sell you 'add ons' like speakers, amp, etc. The basic idea, of course, is that consumer goods are made to be *sold*, not to be *used*. In theory a flat panel display could be combined with an ESL or DML. But they'd then have to sell something that "looks like the other panels, but costs a lot more". So even if the makers are confident they could develop one, it runs into rules 1 and 2... Slainte, Jim -- Please use the address on the audiomisc page if you wish to email me. Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html |
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On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 11:48:07 +0100, charles
wrote: In article , Stephen Wolstenholme wrote: On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:28:25 +0100, Jeff Layman wrote: On 14/07/2012 14:08, Brian Gaff wrote: I notice that most tvs these days have really awful sound, toppy and brash. Its a tradition for tvs to be the poor relation of the home entertainment devices, and I suppose one is supposed to plug it into a surround system or whatever to make it worth while. Are there any reasonably priced tvs that do not sound like a bucket of bolts rattling in a plastic tuppaware box? Brian Apart from cost, is there any reason why external speaker sockets could not be made available on small TVs (19 - 24")? It seems to me that even a a couple of small speakers in a decent cabinet (maybe something like those in reasonable 5.1 systems) would sound far better than the inbuilt speaker(s). I know that most of these small TVs only have a power output in the low single watts range, but that should be sufficient for most purposes. A problem using external speakers with small TVs is the apparent misdirection of the sound relative to the picture. The best place for speakers is just under the screen or a balanced pair, one on either side of the screen. I find using separate hifi or surround sound systems distracts from the picture. I like the sound to come from the same direction as the screen. so put the speakers either side of thescreen I did say that for external speakers. With using hifi or surround sound that not always possible. My main TV is not in the same direction as my hifi and my other TVs are in different rooms. Steve -- Neural Network Software. http://www.npsl1.com EasyNN-plus. Neural Networks plus. http://www.easynn.com SwingNN. Forecast with Neural Networks. http://www.swingnn.com JustNN. Just Neural Networks. http://www.justnn.com |
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In article ,
Stephen Wolstenholme wrote: A problem using external speakers with small TVs is the apparent misdirection of the sound relative to the picture. The best place for speakers is just under the screen or a balanced pair, one on either side of the screen. I find using separate hifi or surround sound systems distracts from the picture. I like the sound to come from the same direction as the screen. As it will if the speakers are either side of the TV, and you sit in the sweet spot. Most speakers designed for mounting under the TV etc - ie 'dialogue speakers' don't actually sound very good. -- *It's o.k. to laugh during sexŒ.Œ.just don't point! Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:57:37 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme
wrote: On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:42:46 +0100, "Max Demian" wrote: Is it true that in the early days of colour TV you had to call an engineer in to degauss your set if you moved it to a different part of the room? I was a TV engineer when colour TV started and I can't remember ever having to degauss a set when it had been moved. Sometimes a set needed degaussing after installation but that wasn't very common. Most sets were not shaken up too much in the delivery van and the coils usually stayed in place. Steve I blame "Ask" Aspel. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAycu4g4qnM In practice installing a new colour set was largely a plug & play affair, even the early dual standard ones. -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
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In article , Brian Gaff
scribeth thus I notice that most tvs these days have really awful sound, toppy and brash. Its a tradition for tvs to be the poor relation of the home entertainment devices, and I suppose one is supposed to plug it into a surround system or whatever to make it worth while. Are there any reasonably priced tvs that do not sound like a bucket of bolts rattling in a plastic tuppaware box? Brian Problem is the cabinet size of the new flat panels. We have a SONY TV, lovely pix but ****e sound which we expected. Fine the TV sound thru the external amp and Quad ESL's and in my office workshop fine off the TV card in the PC and the LS3/5A's :) In fact excellent sometimes and quite surprising just how good it can be:).. -- Tony Sayer |
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On 14/07/2012 14:08, Brian Gaff wrote:
I notice that most tvs these days have really awful sound, toppy and brash. Its a tradition for tvs to be the poor relation of the home entertainment devices, and I suppose one is supposed to plug it into a surround system or whatever to make it worth while. Are there any reasonably priced tvs that do not sound like a bucket of bolts rattling in a plastic tuppaware box? I don't know - but I've scanned the Wich reviews from time to time. This is from their top reviewed TV, the £1800 UE55D8000: --- Sound, as ever with super-slim flat-panel TVs, fails to live up to the brilliant picture performance. But the D8000 isn't a disaster, and is a world away from Samsung's first wave of LED TVs a couple of years back. The audio certainly has plenty of energy compared with many slim-line TVs, manages a semblance of bass and delivers a fair stereo effect. Yet the harsh high frequencies help deliver an overall effect that's soulless and synthetic. The good news is that you can improve audio by connecting to a surround-sound system. It's missing the red and white phono outputs to connect to an older hi-fi, but stereo signals are routed via the Scart, so a simple Scart-to-phono adaptor (about £10) will do the trick. --- So I'd guess the answer is 'no'. Which is a shame - you'd think there's a reputation to be made. I have a JBL dock thing for my phone and the sound is quite reasonable - fills a room anyway with an attempt at bass. The 'drivers' are about 1cm, which suggests that it can be done. Rob |
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On 15/07/2012 11:52, Jim Lesurf wrote:
From the POV of manufacturers and retailers I suspect there are two main reasons why they generally don't do that. 1) It is a tacit admission that their 'fashionable' flat panel TVs can't provide decent sound without a lot of help. (Which might make people start asking why they've been flogging them for so long already!) 2) That it may deter innocent purchasers who see it in the shop beside sets that don't "need more boxes", and are probably cheaper because the makers haven't bothered. So a mix of 'wife acceptance factor', cost, etc. I guess they may also be happy in the shop to then sell you 'add ons' like speakers, amp, etc. The basic idea, of course, is that consumer goods are made to be*sold*, not to be*used*. In theory a flat panel display could be combined with an ESL or DML. But they'd then have to sell something that "looks like the other panels, but costs a lot more". So even if the makers are confident they could develop one, it runs into rules 1 and 2... When I bought my TV I tried to buy just a panel. Nothing else. Because I knew I'd soon be buying a PVR (done) and external sound system (not yet) so I didn't need anything else in the TV. Couldn't find one. So now I'm looking for a low-power ethernet hub to network them both, even though the TV network won't really add anything the PVR can't do but /she/ has become used to it! Andy |
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On 14/07/2012 14:08, Brian Gaff wrote:
I notice that most tvs these days have really awful sound, toppy and brash. Its a tradition for tvs to be the poor relation of the home entertainment devices, and I suppose one is supposed to plug it into a surround system or whatever to make it worth while. Are there any reasonably priced tvs that do not sound like a bucket of bolts rattling in a plastic tuppaware box? Brian NXT now called Hiwave Technology make a range of flat Surfacesound speakers. Surely some have been used on TV's. They have been used on phones and laptops. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distrib...de_loudspeaker. Derek |
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In article ,
Andy Champ wrote: hen I bought my TV I tried to buy just a panel. Nothing else. Because I knew I'd soon be buying a PVR (done) and external sound system (not yet) so I didn't need anything else in the TV. Philips once sort of attempted this with their early Matchline system. But tried to charge a premium for leaving bits out. 'Twas ever thus... -- *Can vegetarians eat animal crackers? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Graham." wrote in message
... On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:57:37 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote: On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:42:46 +0100, "Max Demian" wrote: Is it true that in the early days of colour TV you had to call an engineer in to degauss your set if you moved it to a different part of the room? I was a TV engineer when colour TV started and I can't remember ever having to degauss a set when it had been moved. Sometimes a set needed degaussing after installation but that wasn't very common. Most sets were not shaken up too much in the delivery van and the coils usually stayed in place. I blame "Ask" Aspel. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAycu4g4qnM In practice installing a new colour set was largely a plug & play affair, even the early dual standard ones. If that's an example of the quality, I'm sticking to black and white. -- Max Demian |
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In message , Stephen
Wolstenholme wrote A problem using external speakers with small TVs is the apparent misdirection of the sound relative to the picture. The best place for speakers is just under the screen or a balanced pair, one on either side of the screen. I find using separate hifi or surround sound systems distracts from the picture. I like the sound to come from the same direction as the screen. That's why a proper surround sound system has a centre front speaker. Even without a centre front speaker decent AV amps will use the front left/right speakers to project any centre front (speech) encoding from the centre. -- Alan news2009 {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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In article , Alan wrote:
A problem using external speakers with small TVs is the apparent misdirection of the sound relative to the picture. The best place for speakers is just under the screen or a balanced pair, one on either side of the screen. I find using separate hifi or surround sound systems distracts from the picture. I like the sound to come from the same direction as the screen. That's why a proper surround sound system has a centre front speaker. Even without a centre front speaker decent AV amps will use the front left/right speakers to project any centre front (speech) encoding from the centre. Many years ago in (the now, sadly, doomed) Television Centre, the maintenance area for Studios 6, 7 and 8 had a separate room for fixing and testing monitors. There would nearly always be a working one, ready to go if needed, showing a picture, and there was a loudspeaker unit on top of a shelf on the opposite side of the room. I was quite surprised how easy it was to get used to this. I suppose if you see a person's lips move and hear a synchronised voice, even if the voice comes from behind your own head, the brain makes the mental adjustment that is necessary to enable this scenario to make sense. Rod. -- Virtual Access V6.3 free usenet/email software from http://sourceforge.net/projects/virtual-access/ |
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In article ,
Alan wrote: That's why a proper surround sound system has a centre front speaker. Even without a centre front speaker decent AV amps will use the front left/right speakers to project any centre front (speech) encoding from the centre. Which will mess up the balance as determined when the prog was dubbed. -- *Sleep with a photographer and watch things develop Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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