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On 14/07/2012 14:08, Brian Gaff wrote:
I notice that most tvs these days have really awful sound, toppy and brash.
Its a tradition for tvs to be the poor relation of the home entertainment
devices, and I suppose one is supposed to plug it into a surround system or
whatever to make it worth while.
Are there any reasonably priced tvs that do not sound like a bucket of
bolts rattling in a plastic tuppaware box?

Brian


Apart from cost, is there any reason why external speaker sockets could
not be made available on small TVs (19 - 24")? It seems to me that even
a a couple of small speakers in a decent cabinet (maybe something like
those in reasonable 5.1 systems) would sound far better than the inbuilt
speaker(s).

I know that most of these small TVs only have a power output in the low
single watts range, but that should be sufficient for most purposes.

--

Jeff

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"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
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Well, there was a lot of work done on containing the magnetic field and
there were some nice sounding eliptical speakers also, some very long and
thin. Rediffusion used to use these and they actually sounded quite nice.
Things got a little worse when transistors were used though, but soon this
was sorted out.

Until recently I had a 25" CRT TV right next to a big hi-fi speaker. I found
that if I made the TV show a clear white ground and I took the speaker away,
there was slight but noticeable coloration the side the speaker had been,
which disappeared when I put the speaker back. This was presumably the
ability of the TV to adjust to different magnetic fields, but I have no idea
how it works. I tried switching the set off and on again a few times with
the speaker removed with no effect, so either it takes a lot of power cycles
to do it or the mechanism wasn't working any more.

Is it true that in the early days of colour TV you had to call an engineer
in to degauss your set if you moved it to a different part of the room?

--
Max Demian

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Max Demian wrote:

I tried switching the set off and on again a few times with
the speaker removed with no effect, so either it takes a lot of power cycles
to do it or the mechanism wasn't working any more.

Don't de-gauss circuits only cut-in for the first few seconds when the
TV is stone cold?

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On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:42:46 +0100, "Max Demian"
wrote:

Is it true that in the early days of colour TV you had to call an engineer
in to degauss your set if you moved it to a different part of the room?

I was a TV engineer when colour TV started and I can't remember ever
having to degauss a set when it had been moved. Sometimes a set needed
degaussing after installation but that wasn't very common. Most sets
were not shaken up too much in the delivery van and the coils usually
stayed in place.

Steve

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On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:28:25 +0100, Jeff Layman
wrote:

On 14/07/2012 14:08, Brian Gaff wrote:
I notice that most tvs these days have really awful sound, toppy and brash.
Its a tradition for tvs to be the poor relation of the home entertainment
devices, and I suppose one is supposed to plug it into a surround system or
whatever to make it worth while.
Are there any reasonably priced tvs that do not sound like a bucket of
bolts rattling in a plastic tuppaware box?

Brian


Apart from cost, is there any reason why external speaker sockets could
not be made available on small TVs (19 - 24")? It seems to me that even
a a couple of small speakers in a decent cabinet (maybe something like
those in reasonable 5.1 systems) would sound far better than the inbuilt
speaker(s).

I know that most of these small TVs only have a power output in the low
single watts range, but that should be sufficient for most purposes.

A problem using external speakers with small TVs is the apparent
misdirection of the sound relative to the picture. The best place for
speakers is just under the screen or a balanced pair, one on either
side of the screen. I find using separate hifi or surround sound
systems distracts from the picture. I like the sound to come from the
same direction as the screen.

Steve

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On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 11:12:32 +0100
Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:

On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:28:25 +0100, Jeff Layman
wrote:

On 14/07/2012 14:08, Brian Gaff wrote:
I notice that most tvs these days have really awful sound, toppy
and brash. Its a tradition for tvs to be the poor relation of the
home entertainment devices, and I suppose one is supposed to plug
it into a surround system or whatever to make it worth while.
Are there any reasonably priced tvs that do not sound like a
bucket of bolts rattling in a plastic tuppaware box?

Brian


Apart from cost, is there any reason why external speaker sockets
could not be made available on small TVs (19 - 24")? It seems to me
that even a a couple of small speakers in a decent cabinet (maybe
something like those in reasonable 5.1 systems) would sound far
better than the inbuilt speaker(s).

I know that most of these small TVs only have a power output in the
low single watts range, but that should be sufficient for most
purposes.

A problem using external speakers with small TVs is the apparent
misdirection of the sound relative to the picture. The best place for
speakers is just under the screen or a balanced pair, one on either
side of the screen. I find using separate hifi or surround sound
systems distracts from the picture. I like the sound to come from the
same direction as the screen.

Steve


In that respect, the Logitech PC speakers that I have are ideal, they
sit at the sides of the TV, which itself sits on top of a VCR, so the
speakers are to each side and level with the bottom of the screen. There
is also a subwoofer, but I keep that turned down to a low level, the
suspended wooden floor booms if prompted.
--
Davey.

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In article , Stephen
Wolstenholme wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:28:25 +0100, Jeff Layman
wrote:

On 14/07/2012 14:08, Brian Gaff wrote:
I notice that most tvs these days have really awful sound, toppy and
brash. Its a tradition for tvs to be the poor relation of the home
entertainment devices, and I suppose one is supposed to plug it into a
surround system or whatever to make it worth while. Are there any
reasonably priced tvs that do not sound like a bucket of bolts
rattling in a plastic tuppaware box?

Brian


Apart from cost, is there any reason why external speaker sockets could
not be made available on small TVs (19 - 24")? It seems to me that even
a a couple of small speakers in a decent cabinet (maybe something like
those in reasonable 5.1 systems) would sound far better than the inbuilt
speaker(s).

I know that most of these small TVs only have a power output in the low
single watts range, but that should be sufficient for most purposes.

A problem using external speakers with small TVs is the apparent
misdirection of the sound relative to the picture. The best place for
speakers is just under the screen or a balanced pair, one on either side
of the screen. I find using separate hifi or surround sound systems
distracts from the picture. I like the sound to come from the same
direction as the screen.

so put the speakers either side of thescreen

--
From KT24

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18

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In article , Jeff Layman
wrote:

Apart from cost, is there any reason why external speaker sockets could
not be made available on small TVs (19 - 24")? It seems to me that even
a a couple of small speakers in a decent cabinet (maybe something like
those in reasonable 5.1 systems) would sound far better than the inbuilt
speaker(s).

From the POV of manufacturers and retailers I suspect there are two main
reasons why they generally don't do that.

1) It is a tacit admission that their 'fashionable' flat panel TVs can't
provide decent sound without a lot of help. (Which might make people start
asking why they've been flogging them for so long already!)

2) That it may deter innocent purchasers who see it in the shop beside sets
that don't "need more boxes", and are probably cheaper because the makers
haven't bothered.

So a mix of 'wife acceptance factor', cost, etc.

I guess they may also be happy in the shop to then sell you 'add ons' like
speakers, amp, etc.

The basic idea, of course, is that consumer goods are made to be *sold*,
not to be *used*.

In theory a flat panel display could be combined with an ESL or DML. But
they'd then have to sell something that "looks like the other panels, but
costs a lot more". So even if the makers are confident they could develop
one, it runs into rules 1 and 2...

Slainte,

Jim

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On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 11:48:07 +0100, charles
wrote:

In article , Stephen
Wolstenholme wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:28:25 +0100, Jeff Layman
wrote:

On 14/07/2012 14:08, Brian Gaff wrote:
I notice that most tvs these days have really awful sound, toppy and
brash. Its a tradition for tvs to be the poor relation of the home
entertainment devices, and I suppose one is supposed to plug it into a
surround system or whatever to make it worth while. Are there any
reasonably priced tvs that do not sound like a bucket of bolts
rattling in a plastic tuppaware box?

Brian


Apart from cost, is there any reason why external speaker sockets could
not be made available on small TVs (19 - 24")? It seems to me that even
a a couple of small speakers in a decent cabinet (maybe something like
those in reasonable 5.1 systems) would sound far better than the inbuilt
speaker(s).

I know that most of these small TVs only have a power output in the low
single watts range, but that should be sufficient for most purposes.

A problem using external speakers with small TVs is the apparent
misdirection of the sound relative to the picture. The best place for
speakers is just under the screen or a balanced pair, one on either side
of the screen. I find using separate hifi or surround sound systems
distracts from the picture. I like the sound to come from the same
direction as the screen.

so put the speakers either side of thescreen

I did say that for external speakers. With using hifi or surround
sound that not always possible. My main TV is not in the same
direction as my hifi and my other TVs are in different rooms.

Steve

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In article ,
Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
A problem using external speakers with small TVs is the apparent
misdirection of the sound relative to the picture. The best place for
speakers is just under the screen or a balanced pair, one on either
side of the screen. I find using separate hifi or surround sound
systems distracts from the picture. I like the sound to come from the
same direction as the screen.

As it will if the speakers are either side of the TV, and you sit in the
sweet spot.

Most speakers designed for mounting under the TV etc - ie 'dialogue
speakers' don't actually sound very good.

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