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S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
From:- http://www.s4c.co.uk/e_press_level2.shtml?id=665
Quote "As part of the efficiency measures, S4C’s high definition service – Clirlun – is to be discontinued from the end of this year. The Channel today announced that the high cost of Clirlun – about £1.5m a year – meant discontinuing the service was unavoidable. The Authority has also identified that Clirlun as a service is not able to deliver value for money for S4C’s audience in the current climate. Ian Jones, S4C’s Chief Executive, said, “The decision comes in the wake of the considerable reduction in our public funding. There’s no way of avoiding such a decision made inevitable because of the 36% reduction in our budget in real terms. It’s important we invest the greatest proportion of our budget in content in order to ensure value for money and in order to offer the best programme service to our viewers. " End Quote Presumably to be replaced on the HD Mux in Wales by C4 HD ? -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. www.paras.org.uk |
S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
On 11/07/2012 17:45, Mark Carver wrote:
From:- http://www.s4c.co.uk/e_press_level2.shtml?id=665 Quote "As part of the efficiency measures, S4C’s high definition service – Clirlun – is to be discontinued from the end of this year. The Channel today announced that the high cost of Clirlun – about £1.5m a year – meant discontinuing the service was unavoidable. The Authority has also identified that Clirlun as a service is not able to deliver value for money for S4C’s audience in the current climate. Ian Jones, S4C’s Chief Executive, said, “The decision comes in the wake of the considerable reduction in our public funding. There’s no way of avoiding such a decision made inevitable because of the 36% reduction in our budget in real terms. It’s important we invest the greatest proportion of our budget in content in order to ensure value for money and in order to offer the best programme service to our viewers. " End Quote Presumably to be replaced on the HD Mux in Wales by C4 HD ? visited my parents at the weekend. they were watching a choir competition on s4c - we are welsh but don't speak a word of it. the people who work for the channel seem to exist in a happy bubble where the real world economics of tv production don't apply. -- Gareth. That fly.... Is your magic wand. |
S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:52:30 +0100, the dog from that film you saw
wrote: On 11/07/2012 17:45, Mark Carver wrote: From:- http://www.s4c.co.uk/e_press_level2.shtml?id=665 Quote "As part of the efficiency measures, S4C’s high definition service – Clirlun – is to be discontinued from the end of this year. The Channel today announced that the high cost of Clirlun – about £1.5m a year – We're living/trapped in the S4C reception area, trust me, if you're at all interested that is, watch out for a last minute bail out injection of huge sums of public money from the idiots in Cardiff to "save" the service - and all the paperwork will be bilingual and hang the expense.... |
S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
On Thursday, July 12th, 2012, at 09:02:19h +0100, Brian Gaff pondered:
Could the two broadcasters not collaborate and make one channel? However, who actually watches Welsh Language programming these days. You are forgetting that most of the programs are available with English sub-titles, so the excuse that nobody understands what people are saying is just FUD. |
S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
On 2012-07-12, J G Miller wrote:
On Thursday, July 12th, 2012, at 09:02:19h +0100, Brian Gaff pondered: Could the two broadcasters not collaborate and make one channel? However, who actually watches Welsh Language programming these days. You are forgetting that most of the programs are available with English sub-titles, so the excuse that nobody understands what people are saying is just FUD. That doesn't mean anyone is watching it, though. -- David Taylor |
S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
"J G Miller" wrote in message
... On Thursday, July 12th, 2012, at 09:02:19h +0100, Brian Gaff pondered: Could the two broadcasters not collaborate and make one channel? However, who actually watches Welsh Language programming these days. You are forgetting that most of the programs are available with English sub-titles, so the excuse that nobody understands what people are saying is just FUD. I don't see how Celtic speakers can benefit from English subtitled programmes unless they stick tape to the screen or switch to an overscanning mode. Their eyes would always be wandering to the subtitles. -- Max Demian |
S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
"Max Demian" wrote in message
... "J G Miller" wrote in message ... On Thursday, July 12th, 2012, at 09:02:19h +0100, Brian Gaff pondered: Could the two broadcasters not collaborate and make one channel? However, who actually watches Welsh Language programming these days. You are forgetting that most of the programs are available with English sub-titles, so the excuse that nobody understands what people are saying is just FUD. I don't see how Celtic speakers can benefit from English subtitled programmes unless they stick tape to the screen or switch to an overscanning mode. Their eyes would always be wandering to the subtitles. Surely you can turn if off like the old Ceefax 888? Paul DS, |
S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
On Thursday, July 12th, 2012, at 14:02:08h +0100,
Paul D Smith wrote: Surely you can turn if off like the old Ceefax 888? Exactly -- the modern wonder of DVB is that there is a subtitles button on the remote and from that you can select either OFF or from the available languages. On some stations you can even push the audio button on the remote and select which language you want to hear, be it English, French, German etc from the available sound tracks. For a while and up until about a year or more ago, subtitles on ARD Das Erste and ZDF were only available on DVB by using the teletext sub-titles page. (Yes, teletext still exists on DVB.) |
S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
"Paul D Smith" wrote in message
... "Max Demian" wrote in message ... "J G Miller" wrote in message ... On Thursday, July 12th, 2012, at 09:02:19h +0100, Brian Gaff pondered: Could the two broadcasters not collaborate and make one channel? However, who actually watches Welsh Language programming these days. You are forgetting that most of the programs are available with English sub-titles, so the excuse that nobody understands what people are saying is just FUD. I don't see how Celtic speakers can benefit from English subtitled programmes unless they stick tape to the screen or switch to an overscanning mode. Their eyes would always be wandering to the subtitles. Surely you can turn if off like the old Ceefax 888? I suppose so. I only saw something like it - I think it was Gaelic rather than Welsh - on some kind of Interweb catch-up service, and those don't have optional subtitles AFAIK. -- Max Demian |
S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:45:29 +0100, Mark Carver
wrote: From:- http://www.s4c.co.uk/e_press_level2.shtml?id=665 Quote "As part of the efficiency measures, S4C’s high definition service – Clirlun – is to be discontinued from the end of this year. The Channel today announced that the high cost of Clirlun – about £1.5m a year – meant discontinuing the service was unavoidable. The Authority has also identified that Clirlun as a service is not able to deliver value for money for S4C’s audience in the current climate. Ian Jones, S4C’s Chief Executive, said, “The decision comes in the wake of the considerable reduction in our public funding. There’s no way of avoiding such a decision made inevitable because of the 36% reduction in our budget in real terms. It’s important we invest the greatest proportion of our budget in content in order to ensure value for money and in order to offer the best programme service to our viewers. " End Quote Presumably to be replaced on the HD Mux in Wales by C4 HD ? About time they switched off S4C -- Cheers Peter (Reply to address is a spam trap - please reply to the group) |
S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:45:29 +0100, Mark Carver
wrote: From:- http://www.s4c.co.uk/e_press_level2.shtml?id=665 Quote "As part of the efficiency measures, S4C’s high definition service – Clirlun – is to be discontinued from the end of this year. The Channel today announced that the high cost of Clirlun – about £1.5m a year – meant discontinuing the service was unavoidable. The Authority has also identified that Clirlun as a service is not able to deliver value for money for S4C’s audience in the current climate. Ian Jones, S4C’s Chief Executive, said, “The decision comes in the wake of the considerable reduction in our public funding. There’s no way of avoiding such a decision made inevitable because of the 36% reduction in our budget in real terms. It’s important we invest the greatest proportion of our budget in content in order to ensure value for money and in order to offer the best programme service to our viewers. " End Quote Presumably to be replaced on the HD Mux in Wales by C4 HD ? Why would it be cheaper to broadcast C4 HD than S4C HD? They must be encoding a special Welsh multiplex already due to BBC One Wales (Cymru) so why is there any cost implication by including S4C? Or would the programmes be cheaper to produce in SD? I thought most programmes were produced in HD anyway. |
S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
Scott wrote:
Why would it be cheaper to broadcast C4 HD than S4C HD? They must be encoding a special Welsh multiplex already due to BBC One Wales (Cymru) so why is there any cost implication by including S4C? Or would the programmes be cheaper to produce in SD? I thought most programmes were produced in HD anyway. Not all of that 1.5 million will be the transmission and mux costs, some of it will be the playout, but I'm not familiar with S4C SD and Clirun, are they both simulcasts, in which case S4C SD will just be a downconverted feed of Clirun anyway ? Just as network BBC 1 SD in England is (more or less) a downconvert of BBC 1 HD. There is no BBC 1 Wales HD yet, so probably the arrangements specifically for the HD Mux in Wales are because of S4C. What version of ITV 1 HD is there in Wales ? -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. www.paras.org.uk |
S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
On 12/07/2012 09:02, John wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:52:30 +0100, the dog from that film you saw wrote: On 11/07/2012 17:45, Mark Carver wrote: From:- http://www.s4c.co.uk/e_press_level2.shtml?id=665 Quote "As part of the efficiency measures, S4C’s high definition service – Clirlun – is to be discontinued from the end of this year. The Channel today announced that the high cost of Clirlun – about £1.5m a year – We're living/trapped in the S4C reception area, trust me, if you're at all interested that is, watch out for a last minute bail out injection of huge sums of public money from the idiots in Cardiff to "save" the service - and all the paperwork will be bilingual and hang the expense.... If it's idiots from Cardiff, they must be from elsewhere in Wales originally - probably media types from the nationalist areas. You'd have to look very hard to find a native of Cardiff who speaks Welsh. Most TV aerials in Cardiff are pointing at Mendip. |
S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
On 12/07/2012 09:44, J G Miller wrote:
On Thursday, July 12th, 2012, at 09:02:19h +0100, Brian Gaff pondered: Could the two broadcasters not collaborate and make one channel? However, who actually watches Welsh Language programming these days. You are forgetting that most of the programs are available with English sub-titles, so the excuse that nobody understands what people are saying is just FUD. That's just ****ing ridiculous. Everyone involved in making the programmes as well everyone watching them can speak English, so why not just do the common sense thing and do the whole thing in English. There are no living mono-lingual Welsh speakers, which is pretty much the definition of a dead language. |
S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
On 13/07/2012 20:52, Scott wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:45:29 +0100, Mark Carver wrote: From:- http://www.s4c.co.uk/e_press_level2.shtml?id=665 Quote "As part of the efficiency measures, S4C’s high definition service – Clirlun – is to be discontinued from the end of this year. The Channel today announced that the high cost of Clirlun – about £1.5m a year – meant discontinuing the service was unavoidable. The Authority has also identified that Clirlun as a service is not able to deliver value for money for S4C’s audience in the current climate. Ian Jones, S4C’s Chief Executive, said, “The decision comes in the wake of the considerable reduction in our public funding. There’s no way of avoiding such a decision made inevitable because of the 36% reduction in our budget in real terms. It’s important we invest the greatest proportion of our budget in content in order to ensure value for money and in order to offer the best programme service to our viewers. " End Quote Presumably to be replaced on the HD Mux in Wales by C4 HD ? Why would it be cheaper to broadcast C4 HD than S4C HD? It wouldn't. No one is going to pay to advertise on a station that's watched by more sheep than people. |
S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:47:14 +0100, Silk wrote:
On 12/07/2012 09:02, John wrote: On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:52:30 +0100, the dog from that film you saw wrote: On 11/07/2012 17:45, Mark Carver wrote: From:- http://www.s4c.co.uk/e_press_level2.shtml?id=665 Quote "As part of the efficiency measures, S4C’s high definition service – Clirlun – is to be discontinued from the end of this year. The Channel today announced that the high cost of Clirlun – about £1.5m a year – We're living/trapped in the S4C reception area, trust me, if you're at all interested that is, watch out for a last minute bail out injection of huge sums of public money from the idiots in Cardiff to "save" the service - and all the paperwork will be bilingual and hang the expense.... If it's idiots from Cardiff, they must be from elsewhere in Wales originally - probably media types from the nationalist areas. You'd have to look very hard to find a native of Cardiff who speaks Welsh. Most TV aerials in Cardiff are pointing at Mendip. By "idiots" I meant the vastly over paid and unnecessary, fat cats to be found sitting in the weird looking building, overlooking the old docks basin. You know the one, it began with an estimated build cost of £12million, cause a stir when it rose to £18million and was never mentioned again after reaching £24million - despite there being an existing, red brick premises behind the site, already in use for the exact same function. |
S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:59:06 +0100, Silk wrote:
On 13/07/2012 20:52, Scott wrote: On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:45:29 +0100, Mark Carver wrote: From:- http://www.s4c.co.uk/e_press_level2.shtml?id=665 Quote "As part of the efficiency measures, S4C’s high definition service – Clirlun – is to be discontinued from the end of this year. The Channel today announced that the high cost of Clirlun – about £1.5m a year – meant discontinuing the service was unavoidable. The Authority has also identified that Clirlun as a service is not able to deliver value for money for S4C’s audience in the current climate. Ian Jones, S4C’s Chief Executive, said, “The decision comes in the wake of the considerable reduction in our public funding. There’s no way of avoiding such a decision made inevitable because of the 36% reduction in our budget in real terms. It’s important we invest the greatest proportion of our budget in content in order to ensure value for money and in order to offer the best programme service to our viewers. " End Quote Presumably to be replaced on the HD Mux in Wales by C4 HD ? Why would it be cheaper to broadcast C4 HD than S4C HD? It wouldn't. No one is going to pay to advertise on a station that's watched by more sheep than people. I was asking about cost not revenue. Whether C4 can be broadcast in Wales in competition with S4C is surely a regularory issue? AIUI when ITV wanted to broadcast ITV1 in Scotland STV put a stop to that pretty quickly. |
S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:05:12 +0100, Mark Carver
wrote: Scott wrote: Why would it be cheaper to broadcast C4 HD than S4C HD? They must be encoding a special Welsh multiplex already due to BBC One Wales (Cymru) so why is there any cost implication by including S4C? Or would the programmes be cheaper to produce in SD? I thought most programmes were produced in HD anyway. Not all of that 1.5 million will be the transmission and mux costs, some of it will be the playout, but I'm not familiar with S4C SD and Clirun, are they both simulcasts, in which case S4C SD will just be a downconverted feed of Clirun anyway ? Just as network BBC 1 SD in England is (more or less) a downconvert of BBC 1 HD. There is no BBC 1 Wales HD yet, so probably the arrangements specifically for the HD Mux in Wales are because of S4C. What version of ITV 1 HD is there in Wales ? I appreciate that but AIUI the BBC Trust has committed to providing HD BBC One to the 'nations' fairly soon. So if the programmes are to be 'muxed up' for Wales anyway where is the extra cost of including S4C HD in the mux? As I said in my other post, would Ofcom not object to C4 being broadcast in Wales when there is S4C in the same way as ITV were not allowed to broadcast ITV1 in Scotland when STV objected? As |
S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
Scott wrote:
I was asking about cost not revenue. Whether C4 can be broadcast in Wales in competition with S4C is surely a regularory issue? AIUI when ITV wanted to broadcast ITV1 in Scotland STV put a stop to that pretty quickly. C4 has been broadcast in Wales (alongside S4C) since 1998. It's been available on Welsh DTT transmitters since the launch of On Digital that year, and also on Sky's EPG (albeit not Ch 104 for Welsh postcodes) from Oct 1998. Of course today it is available on every Welsh terrestrial transmitter. -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. www.paras.org.uk |
S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
Scott wrote:
I appreciate that but AIUI the BBC Trust has committed to providing HD BBC One to the 'nations' fairly soon. So if the programmes are to be 'muxed up' for Wales anyway where is the extra cost of including S4C HD in the mux? Not much no, but what S4C are paying for is the actual bandwidth on the mux, plus backhauling their output to the BBC/ATOS mux centre in London. There's also the matter of the increased costs of actually producing programmes in HD, though SD only facilities are vanishing fast anyway. No one seems able to answer the basic questions about the channel, does S4C Clirlun have a different schedule to S4C SD, and how much native HD programming does it actually carry ? As I said in my other post, would Ofcom not object to C4 being broadcast in Wales when there is S4C in the same way as ITV were not allowed to broadcast ITV1 in Scotland when STV objected? See my other post :-) -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. www.paras.org.uk |
S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:59:06 +0100, Silk wrote:
On 13/07/2012 20:52, Scott wrote: On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:45:29 +0100, Mark Carver wrote: From:- http://www.s4c.co.uk/e_press_level2.shtml?id=665 Quote "As part of the efficiency measures, S4C’s high definition service – Clirlun – is to be discontinued from the end of this year. The Channel today announced that the high cost of Clirlun – about £1.5m a year – meant discontinuing the service was unavoidable. The Authority has also identified that Clirlun as a service is not able to deliver value for money for S4C’s audience in the current climate. Ian Jones, S4C’s Chief Executive, said, “The decision comes in the wake of the considerable reduction in our public funding. There’s no way of avoiding such a decision made inevitable because of the 36% reduction in our budget in real terms. It’s important we invest the greatest proportion of our budget in content in order to ensure value for money and in order to offer the best programme service to our viewers. " End Quote Presumably to be replaced on the HD Mux in Wales by C4 HD ? Why would it be cheaper to broadcast C4 HD than S4C HD? It wouldn't. No one is going to pay to advertise on a station that's watched by more sheep than people. Apparently some programmes broadcast on S4C are watched by so few people that it is not possible to measure the audience -- Cheers Peter (Reply to address is a spam trap - please reply to the group) |
S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:47:14 +0100, Silk wrote:
On 12/07/2012 09:02, John wrote: On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:52:30 +0100, the dog from that film you saw wrote: On 11/07/2012 17:45, Mark Carver wrote: From:- http://www.s4c.co.uk/e_press_level2.shtml?id=665 Quote "As part of the efficiency measures, S4C’s high definition service – Clirlun – is to be discontinued from the end of this year. The Channel today announced that the high cost of Clirlun – about £1.5m a year – We're living/trapped in the S4C reception area, trust me, if you're at all interested that is, watch out for a last minute bail out injection of huge sums of public money from the idiots in Cardiff to "save" the service - and all the paperwork will be bilingual and hang the expense.... If it's idiots from Cardiff, they must be from elsewhere in Wales originally - probably media types from the nationalist areas. You'd have to look very hard to find a native of Cardiff who speaks Welsh. Most TV aerials in Cardiff are pointing at Mendip. I think he means the politicos that inhabit the Welsh Assembly Government Incidentlyl I DO know of a family (just the one) that are from Cardiff, still live there, and are Welsh speakersl -- Cheers Peter (Reply to address is a spam trap - please reply to the group) |
S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:53:47 +0100, Silk wrote:
There are no living mono-lingual Welsh speakers, which is pretty much the definition of a dead language. That's not strictly true. Many children, up to the age of say 5 or 6 are monoglot Welsh speakers, learing English when they start school. There are still many people who's first language, i.e. their language of choice, is Welsh. -- Cheers Peter (Reply to address is a spam trap - please reply to the group) |
S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 10:42:40 +0100, Peter
wrote: On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:47:14 +0100, Silk wrote: On 12/07/2012 09:02, John wrote: On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:52:30 +0100, the dog from that film you saw wrote: On 11/07/2012 17:45, Mark Carver wrote: From:- http://www.s4c.co.uk/e_press_level2.shtml?id=665 Quote "As part of the efficiency measures, S4C’s high definition service – Clirlun – is to be discontinued from the end of this year. The Channel today announced that the high cost of Clirlun – about £1.5m a year – We're living/trapped in the S4C reception area, trust me, if you're at all interested that is, watch out for a last minute bail out injection of huge sums of public money from the idiots in Cardiff to "save" the service - and all the paperwork will be bilingual and hang the expense.... If it's idiots from Cardiff, they must be from elsewhere in Wales originally - probably media types from the nationalist areas. You'd have to look very hard to find a native of Cardiff who speaks Welsh. Most TV aerials in Cardiff are pointing at Mendip. I think he means the politicos that inhabit the Welsh Assembly Government Incidentlyl I DO know of a family (just the one) that are from Cardiff, still live there, and are Welsh speakersl Yebbut, is it their ONLY language? I'd love to know how all official paperwork came to be published bilingually, just who had that much influence? Wales could probably fund London if they only printed Welsh documents on request. |
S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 10:46:47 +0100, Peter
wrote: On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:53:47 +0100, Silk wrote: There are no living mono-lingual Welsh speakers, which is pretty much the definition of a dead language. That's not strictly true. Many children, up to the age of say 5 or 6 are monoglot Welsh speakers, learing English when they start school. There are still many people who's first language, i.e. their language of choice, is Welsh. I knew one such, a lovely old chap from a totally unpronouncable place in West Wales, who didn't learn English until his teens. He'd be around 96 if he's still around today. |
S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 09:38:31 +0100, Mark Carver
wrote: Scott wrote: I appreciate that but AIUI the BBC Trust has committed to providing HD BBC One to the 'nations' fairly soon. So if the programmes are to be 'muxed up' for Wales anyway where is the extra cost of including S4C HD in the mux? Not much no, but what S4C are paying for is the actual bandwidth on the mux, plus backhauling their output to the BBC/ATOS mux centre in London. There's also the matter of the increased costs of actually producing programmes in HD, though SD only facilities are vanishing fast anyway. No one seems able to answer the basic questions about the channel, does S4C Clirlun have a different schedule to S4C SD, and how much native HD programming does it actually carry ? I did a manual scan and got both S4C and Cirlun back in to take a look. As far as I can tell, at least for today and tomorrow, both channels are running indentical listings. No idea if that's typical, but would suggest it is. I also found a listing in our TV rag for S4C - after a little page searching - but not one for the HD channel so that would seem to confirm them to be the same. |
S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 09:38:31 +0100, Mark Carver wrote:
No one seems able to answer the basic questions about the channel, does S4C Clirlun have a different schedule to S4C SD To the best of my knowledge S4C Clirlun is a simulcast of S4C. and how much native HD programming does it actually carry ? I guess they are waiting for BBC Cymru to upgrade the BBC Cymru studios to HD for Newyddion and Pobol y Cwm. ;) |
S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
J G Miller wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 09:38:31 +0100, Mark Carver wrote: No one seems able to answer the basic questions about the channel, does S4C Clirlun have a different schedule to S4C SD To the best of my knowledge S4C Clirlun is a simulcast of S4C. and how much native HD programming does it actually carry ? I guess they are waiting for BBC Cymru to upgrade the BBC Cymru studios to HD for Newyddion and Pobol y Cwm. ;) Pobol y Cwm is already being produced in HD at Roath Lock ? http://roathlock.com/ -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. www.paras.org.uk |
S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
On Saturday, July 14th, 2012, at 12:47:14h +0100, Mark Carver wrote:
Pobol y Cwm is already being produced in HD at Roath Lock ? So that is at least 30 minutes of prime time of S4C in HD. ;) With the closure of S4C Clirlun how are viewers going to be able to watch Pobol y Cwm in HD? Will the BBC consider putting Pobol y Cwm on BBC One HD to fill out the afternoon schedule, which does have an historical precedent. |
S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
In message , John
writes On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 10:46:47 +0100, Peter wrote: On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:53:47 +0100, Silk wrote: There are no living mono-lingual Welsh speakers, which is pretty much the definition of a dead language. That's not strictly true. Many children, up to the age of say 5 or 6 are monoglot Welsh speakers, learing English when they start school. There are still many people who's first language, i.e. their language of choice, is Welsh. I knew one such, a lovely old chap from a totally unpronouncable place in West Wales, who didn't learn English until his teens. He'd be around 96 if he's still around today. As the UK is essentially an English-speaking nation, I would have thought that if you're not reasonably fluent in English by the age of five or six, that must inevitably tend to affect your academic progress and also your limit ability to get a decent job later on. -- Ian |
S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
On 14/07/2012 10:46, Peter wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:53:47 +0100, wrote: There are no living mono-lingual Welsh speakers, which is pretty much the definition of a dead language. That's not strictly true. Many children, up to the age of say 5 or 6 are monoglot Welsh speakers, learing English when they start school. Their parents should be arrested and sent to prison for child abuse. No right-minded person would deliberately put their child at a disadvantage in this way. There are still many people who's first language, i.e. their language of choice, is Welsh. What they do in their own home is their choice. They shouldn't be allowed to inflict it on the rest of the population or seek to disadvantage those who won't go along with their facist ways. |
S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
On 14/07/2012 13:49, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , John writes On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 10:46:47 +0100, Peter wrote: On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:53:47 +0100, Silk wrote: There are no living mono-lingual Welsh speakers, which is pretty much the definition of a dead language. That's not strictly true. Many children, up to the age of say 5 or 6 are monoglot Welsh speakers, learing English when they start school. There are still many people who's first language, i.e. their language of choice, is Welsh. I knew one such, a lovely old chap from a totally unpronouncable place in West Wales, who didn't learn English until his teens. He'd be around 96 if he's still around today. As the UK is essentially an English-speaking nation, I would have thought that if you're not reasonably fluent in English by the age of five or six, that must inevitably tend to affect your academic progress and also your limit ability to get a decent job later on. Unless you live in Wales and want a public or media job. Believe it or not, there are laws that say when the Welsh language has to be used. For example, if you go into a French restaurant, the toilets may be labled in French, but they also have to be labled in Welsh by law, but not English. Madness! In fact, there are no laws that make the use of English compulsory in Wales. |
S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
On 14/07/2012 09:22, Mark Carver wrote:
Scott wrote: I was asking about cost not revenue. Whether C4 can be broadcast in Wales in competition with S4C is surely a regularory issue? AIUI when ITV wanted to broadcast ITV1 in Scotland STV put a stop to that pretty quickly. C4 has been broadcast in Wales (alongside S4C) since 1998. It's been available on Welsh DTT transmitters since the launch of On Digital that year, and also on Sky's EPG (albeit not Ch 104 for Welsh postcodes) from Oct 1998. Of course today it is available on every Welsh terrestrial transmitter. It's bloody stupid that the HD slot is taken up by the largely unwatched Welsh version. |
S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
On 14/07/2012 10:39, Peter wrote:
Apparently some programmes broadcast on S4C are watched by so few people that it is not possible to measure the audience There are more people appearing in the programme than watching it and most of the viewers are the people watching themselves when the programme goes out. |
S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
J G Miller wrote:
On Saturday, July 14th, 2012, at 12:47:14h +0100, Mark Carver wrote: Pobol y Cwm is already being produced in HD at Roath Lock ? So that is at least 30 minutes of prime time of S4C in HD. ;) With the closure of S4C Clirlun how are viewers going to be able to watch Pobol y Cwm in HD? The same question will apply for all the BBC's children's programmes, that are produced in glorious HD at Salford, but from November only to be seen in soggy SD on CBBC/CBeebies. Will the BBC consider putting Pobol y Cwm on BBC One HD to fill out the afternoon schedule, which does have an historical precedent. I hope not. -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. www.paras.org.uk |
S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 11:59:30 +0100, John wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 10:42:40 +0100, Peter wrote: On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:47:14 +0100, Silk wrote: On 12/07/2012 09:02, John wrote: On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:52:30 +0100, the dog from that film you saw wrote: On 11/07/2012 17:45, Mark Carver wrote: From:- http://www.s4c.co.uk/e_press_level2.shtml?id=665 Quote "As part of the efficiency measures, S4C’s high definition service – Clirlun – is to be discontinued from the end of this year. The Channel today announced that the high cost of Clirlun – about £1.5m a year – We're living/trapped in the S4C reception area, trust me, if you're at all interested that is, watch out for a last minute bail out injection of huge sums of public money from the idiots in Cardiff to "save" the service - and all the paperwork will be bilingual and hang the expense.... If it's idiots from Cardiff, they must be from elsewhere in Wales originally - probably media types from the nationalist areas. You'd have to look very hard to find a native of Cardiff who speaks Welsh. Most TV aerials in Cardiff are pointing at Mendip. I think he means the politicos that inhabit the Welsh Assembly Government Incidentlyl I DO know of a family (just the one) that are from Cardiff, still live there, and are Welsh speakersl Yebbut, is it their ONLY language? I'd love to know how all official paperwork came to be published bilingually, just who had that much influence? Wales could probably fund London if they only printed Welsh documents on request. No, it's not, but then I was replying to: " You'd have to look very hard to find a native of Cardiff who speaks Welsh" I reckon that there is nobody in Wales older than 5 or 6 yrs who's only language is Welsh -- Cheers Peter (Reply to address is a spam trap - please reply to the group) |
S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 13:49:47 +0100, Ian Jackson
wrote: In message , John writes On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 10:46:47 +0100, Peter wrote: On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:53:47 +0100, Silk wrote: There are no living mono-lingual Welsh speakers, which is pretty much the definition of a dead language. That's not strictly true. Many children, up to the age of say 5 or 6 are monoglot Welsh speakers, learing English when they start school. There are still many people who's first language, i.e. their language of choice, is Welsh. I knew one such, a lovely old chap from a totally unpronouncable place in West Wales, who didn't learn English until his teens. He'd be around 96 if he's still around today. As the UK is essentially an English-speaking nation, I would have thought that if you're not reasonably fluent in English by the age of five or six, that must inevitably tend to affect your academic progress and also your limit ability to get a decent job later on. There are many jobs in Wales that are closed to people unable to speak Welsh - politics and the BBC two organisations that spring readily to mind -- Cheers Peter (Reply to address is a spam trap - please reply to the group) |
S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 18:47:12 +0100, Peter
wrote: ...and the BBC two organisations that spring readily to mind That wasn't the case in 1963. When was that brought in? -- Alan White Mozilla Firefox and Forte Agent. By Loch Long, twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, Scotland. Webcam and weather:- http://windycroft.co.uk/weather |
S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
In message , Peter
writes On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 13:49:47 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: In message , John writes On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 10:46:47 +0100, Peter wrote: On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:53:47 +0100, Silk wrote: There are no living mono-lingual Welsh speakers, which is pretty much the definition of a dead language. That's not strictly true. Many children, up to the age of say 5 or 6 are monoglot Welsh speakers, learing English when they start school. There are still many people who's first language, i.e. their language of choice, is Welsh. I knew one such, a lovely old chap from a totally unpronouncable place in West Wales, who didn't learn English until his teens. He'd be around 96 if he's still around today. As the UK is essentially an English-speaking nation, I would have thought that if you're not reasonably fluent in English by the age of five or six, that must inevitably tend to affect your academic progress and also your limit ability to get a decent job later on. There are many jobs in Wales that are closed to people unable to speak Welsh - politics and the BBC two organisations that spring readily to mind I didn't say you needn't be able to speak Welsh. What I'm saying is that if you leave it too late to become reasonably fluent in English, you would well be at a disadvantage. However - as has been pointed out - there are some jobs that you simply won't get (I suppose at least if you're not a passable Welsh speaker). -- Ian |
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