S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
 

In message , John
writes
On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 10:46:47 +0100, Peter
wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:53:47 +0100, Silk wrote:


There are no living mono-lingual Welsh speakers, which is pretty much
the definition of a dead language.


That's not strictly true. Many children, up to the age of say 5 or 6
are monoglot Welsh speakers, learing English when they start school.

There are still many people who's first language, i.e. their language
of choice, is Welsh.

I knew one such, a lovely old chap from a totally unpronouncable place
in West Wales, who didn't learn English until his teens. He'd be
around 96 if he's still around today.

As the UK is essentially an English-speaking nation, I would have
thought that if you're not reasonably fluent in English by the age of
five or six, that must inevitably tend to affect your academic progress
and also your limit ability to get a decent job later on.
--
Ian

S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
 

On 14/07/2012 10:46, Peter wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:53:47 +0100, wrote:


There are no living mono-lingual Welsh speakers, which is pretty much
the definition of a dead language.


That's not strictly true. Many children, up to the age of say 5 or 6
are monoglot Welsh speakers, learing English when they start school.

Their parents should be arrested and sent to prison for child abuse. No
right-minded person would deliberately put their child at a disadvantage
in this way.

There are still many people who's first language, i.e. their language
of choice, is Welsh.

What they do in their own home is their choice. They shouldn't be
allowed to inflict it on the rest of the population or seek to
disadvantage those who won't go along with their facist ways.

S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
 

On 14/07/2012 13:49, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , John
writes
On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 10:46:47 +0100, Peter
wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:53:47 +0100, Silk wrote:


There are no living mono-lingual Welsh speakers, which is pretty much
the definition of a dead language.


That's not strictly true. Many children, up to the age of say 5 or 6
are monoglot Welsh speakers, learing English when they start school.

There are still many people who's first language, i.e. their language
of choice, is Welsh.

I knew one such, a lovely old chap from a totally unpronouncable place
in West Wales, who didn't learn English until his teens. He'd be
around 96 if he's still around today.

As the UK is essentially an English-speaking nation, I would have
thought that if you're not reasonably fluent in English by the age of
five or six, that must inevitably tend to affect your academic progress
and also your limit ability to get a decent job later on.

Unless you live in Wales and want a public or media job.

Believe it or not, there are laws that say when the Welsh language has
to be used. For example, if you go into a French restaurant, the toilets
may be labled in French, but they also have to be labled in Welsh by
law, but not English. Madness!

In fact, there are no laws that make the use of English compulsory in Wales.

S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
 

On 14/07/2012 09:22, Mark Carver wrote:
Scott wrote:

I was asking about cost not revenue. Whether C4 can be broadcast in
Wales in competition with S4C is surely a regularory issue? AIUI when
ITV wanted to broadcast ITV1 in Scotland STV put a stop to that pretty
quickly.


C4 has been broadcast in Wales (alongside S4C) since 1998. It's been
available on Welsh DTT transmitters since the launch of On Digital that
year, and also on Sky's EPG (albeit not Ch 104 for Welsh postcodes) from
Oct 1998.

Of course today it is available on every Welsh terrestrial transmitter.

It's bloody stupid that the HD slot is taken up by the largely unwatched
Welsh version.

S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
 

On 14/07/2012 10:39, Peter wrote:

Apparently some programmes broadcast on S4C are watched by so few
people that it is not possible to measure the audience

There are more people appearing in the programme than watching it and
most of the viewers are the people watching themselves when the
programme goes out.

S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
 

J G Miller wrote:
On Saturday, July 14th, 2012, at 12:47:14h +0100, Mark Carver wrote:

Pobol y Cwm is already being produced in HD at Roath Lock ?

So that is at least 30 minutes of prime time of S4C in HD. ;)

With the closure of S4C Clirlun how are viewers going to
be able to watch Pobol y Cwm in HD?

The same question will apply for all the BBC's children's programmes, that are
produced in glorious HD at Salford, but from November only to be seen in soggy
SD on CBBC/CBeebies.

Will the BBC consider putting Pobol y Cwm on BBC One HD
to fill out the afternoon schedule, which does have an
historical precedent.

I hope not.


--
Mark
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S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
 

On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 11:59:30 +0100, John wrote:

On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 10:42:40 +0100, Peter
wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:47:14 +0100, Silk wrote:

On 12/07/2012 09:02, John wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:52:30 +0100, the dog from that film you saw
wrote:

On 11/07/2012 17:45, Mark Carver wrote:
From:- http://www.s4c.co.uk/e_press_level2.shtml?id=665

Quote

"As part of the efficiency measures, S4C’s high definition service –
Clirlun – is to be discontinued from the end of this year. The Channel
today announced that the high cost of Clirlun – about £1.5m a year –

We're living/trapped in the S4C reception area, trust me, if you're at
all interested that is, watch out for a last minute bail out injection
of huge sums of public money from the idiots in Cardiff to "save" the
service - and all the paperwork will be bilingual and hang the
expense....

If it's idiots from Cardiff, they must be from elsewhere in Wales
originally - probably media types from the nationalist areas. You'd have
to look very hard to find a native of Cardiff who speaks Welsh.

Most TV aerials in Cardiff are pointing at Mendip.


I think he means the politicos that inhabit the Welsh Assembly
Government

Incidentlyl I DO know of a family (just the one) that are from
Cardiff, still live there, and are Welsh speakersl

Yebbut, is it their ONLY language? I'd love to know how all official
paperwork came to be published bilingually, just who had that much
influence? Wales could probably fund London if they only printed Welsh
documents on request.


No, it's not, but then I was replying to:

" You'd have to look very hard to find a native of Cardiff who speaks
Welsh"

I reckon that there is nobody in Wales older than 5 or 6 yrs who's
only language is Welsh
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Cheers

Peter

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On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 13:49:47 +0100, Ian Jackson
wrote:

In message , John
writes
On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 10:46:47 +0100, Peter
wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:53:47 +0100, Silk wrote:


There are no living mono-lingual Welsh speakers, which is pretty much
the definition of a dead language.


That's not strictly true. Many children, up to the age of say 5 or 6
are monoglot Welsh speakers, learing English when they start school.

There are still many people who's first language, i.e. their language
of choice, is Welsh.

I knew one such, a lovely old chap from a totally unpronouncable place
in West Wales, who didn't learn English until his teens. He'd be
around 96 if he's still around today.

As the UK is essentially an English-speaking nation, I would have
thought that if you're not reasonably fluent in English by the age of
five or six, that must inevitably tend to affect your academic progress
and also your limit ability to get a decent job later on.


There are many jobs in Wales that are closed to people unable to speak
Welsh - politics and the BBC two organisations that spring readily to
mind
--
Cheers

Peter

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On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 18:47:12 +0100, Peter
wrote:

...and the BBC two organisations that spring readily to
mind

That wasn't the case in 1963. When was that brought in?

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S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
 

In message , Peter
writes
On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 13:49:47 +0100, Ian Jackson
wrote:

In message , John
writes
On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 10:46:47 +0100, Peter
wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:53:47 +0100, Silk wrote:


There are no living mono-lingual Welsh speakers, which is pretty much
the definition of a dead language.


That's not strictly true. Many children, up to the age of say 5 or 6
are monoglot Welsh speakers, learing English when they start school.

There are still many people who's first language, i.e. their language
of choice, is Welsh.

I knew one such, a lovely old chap from a totally unpronouncable place
in West Wales, who didn't learn English until his teens. He'd be
around 96 if he's still around today.

As the UK is essentially an English-speaking nation, I would have
thought that if you're not reasonably fluent in English by the age of
five or six, that must inevitably tend to affect your academic progress
and also your limit ability to get a decent job later on.


There are many jobs in Wales that are closed to people unable to speak
Welsh - politics and the BBC two organisations that spring readily to
mind

I didn't say you needn't be able to speak Welsh. What I'm saying is that
if you leave it too late to become reasonably fluent in English, you
would well be at a disadvantage. However - as has been pointed out -
there are some jobs that you simply won't get (I suppose at least if
you're not a passable Welsh speaker).
--
Ian