S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
 

Scott wrote:

I appreciate that but AIUI the BBC Trust has committed to providing HD
BBC One to the 'nations' fairly soon. So if the programmes are to be
'muxed up' for Wales anyway where is the extra cost of including S4C
HD in the mux?

Not much no, but what S4C are paying for is the actual bandwidth on the mux,
plus backhauling their output to the BBC/ATOS mux centre in London. There's
also the matter of the increased costs of actually producing programmes in HD,
though SD only facilities are vanishing fast anyway.

No one seems able to answer the basic questions about the channel, does S4C
Clirlun have a different schedule to S4C SD, and how much native HD
programming does it actually carry ?


As I said in my other post, would Ofcom not object to
C4 being broadcast in Wales when there is S4C in the same way as ITV
were not allowed to broadcast ITV1 in Scotland when STV objected?

See my other post :-)


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S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
 

On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:59:06 +0100, Silk wrote:

On 13/07/2012 20:52, Scott wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:45:29 +0100, Mark Carver
wrote:

From:- http://www.s4c.co.uk/e_press_level2.shtml?id=665

Quote

"As part of the efficiency measures, S4C’s high definition service – Clirlun –
is to be discontinued from the end of this year. The Channel today announced
that the high cost of Clirlun – about £1.5m a year – meant discontinuing the
service was unavoidable. The Authority has also identified that Clirlun as a
service is not able to deliver value for money for S4C’s audience in the
current climate.

Ian Jones, S4C’s Chief Executive, said, “The decision comes in the wake of the
considerable reduction in our public funding. There’s no way of avoiding such
a decision made inevitable because of the 36% reduction in our budget in real
terms. It’s important we invest the greatest proportion of our budget in
content in order to ensure value for money and in order to offer the best
programme service to our viewers. "

End Quote

Presumably to be replaced on the HD Mux in Wales by C4 HD ?

Why would it be cheaper to broadcast C4 HD than S4C HD?

It wouldn't. No one is going to pay to advertise on a station that's
watched by more sheep than people.


Apparently some programmes broadcast on S4C are watched by so few
people that it is not possible to measure the audience
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On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:47:14 +0100, Silk wrote:

On 12/07/2012 09:02, John wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:52:30 +0100, the dog from that film you saw
wrote:

On 11/07/2012 17:45, Mark Carver wrote:
From:- http://www.s4c.co.uk/e_press_level2.shtml?id=665

Quote

"As part of the efficiency measures, S4C’s high definition service –
Clirlun – is to be discontinued from the end of this year. The Channel
today announced that the high cost of Clirlun – about £1.5m a year –

We're living/trapped in the S4C reception area, trust me, if you're at
all interested that is, watch out for a last minute bail out injection
of huge sums of public money from the idiots in Cardiff to "save" the
service - and all the paperwork will be bilingual and hang the
expense....

If it's idiots from Cardiff, they must be from elsewhere in Wales
originally - probably media types from the nationalist areas. You'd have
to look very hard to find a native of Cardiff who speaks Welsh.

Most TV aerials in Cardiff are pointing at Mendip.


I think he means the politicos that inhabit the Welsh Assembly
Government

Incidentlyl I DO know of a family (just the one) that are from
Cardiff, still live there, and are Welsh speakersl
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On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:53:47 +0100, Silk wrote:


There are no living mono-lingual Welsh speakers, which is pretty much
the definition of a dead language.


That's not strictly true. Many children, up to the age of say 5 or 6
are monoglot Welsh speakers, learing English when they start school.

There are still many people who's first language, i.e. their language
of choice, is Welsh.
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On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 10:42:40 +0100, Peter
wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:47:14 +0100, Silk wrote:

On 12/07/2012 09:02, John wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:52:30 +0100, the dog from that film you saw
wrote:

On 11/07/2012 17:45, Mark Carver wrote:
From:- http://www.s4c.co.uk/e_press_level2.shtml?id=665

Quote

"As part of the efficiency measures, S4C’s high definition service –
Clirlun – is to be discontinued from the end of this year. The Channel
today announced that the high cost of Clirlun – about £1.5m a year –

We're living/trapped in the S4C reception area, trust me, if you're at
all interested that is, watch out for a last minute bail out injection
of huge sums of public money from the idiots in Cardiff to "save" the
service - and all the paperwork will be bilingual and hang the
expense....

If it's idiots from Cardiff, they must be from elsewhere in Wales
originally - probably media types from the nationalist areas. You'd have
to look very hard to find a native of Cardiff who speaks Welsh.

Most TV aerials in Cardiff are pointing at Mendip.


I think he means the politicos that inhabit the Welsh Assembly
Government

Incidentlyl I DO know of a family (just the one) that are from
Cardiff, still live there, and are Welsh speakersl

Yebbut, is it their ONLY language? I'd love to know how all official
paperwork came to be published bilingually, just who had that much
influence? Wales could probably fund London if they only printed Welsh
documents on request.

S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
 

On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 10:46:47 +0100, Peter
wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:53:47 +0100, Silk wrote:


There are no living mono-lingual Welsh speakers, which is pretty much
the definition of a dead language.


That's not strictly true. Many children, up to the age of say 5 or 6
are monoglot Welsh speakers, learing English when they start school.

There are still many people who's first language, i.e. their language
of choice, is Welsh.

I knew one such, a lovely old chap from a totally unpronouncable place
in West Wales, who didn't learn English until his teens. He'd be
around 96 if he's still around today.

S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
 

On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 09:38:31 +0100, Mark Carver
wrote:

Scott wrote:

I appreciate that but AIUI the BBC Trust has committed to providing HD
BBC One to the 'nations' fairly soon. So if the programmes are to be
'muxed up' for Wales anyway where is the extra cost of including S4C
HD in the mux?

Not much no, but what S4C are paying for is the actual bandwidth on the mux,
plus backhauling their output to the BBC/ATOS mux centre in London. There's
also the matter of the increased costs of actually producing programmes in HD,
though SD only facilities are vanishing fast anyway.

No one seems able to answer the basic questions about the channel, does S4C
Clirlun have a different schedule to S4C SD, and how much native HD
programming does it actually carry ?


I did a manual scan and got both S4C and Cirlun back in to take a
look. As far as I can tell, at least for today and tomorrow, both
channels are running indentical listings. No idea if that's typical,
but would suggest it is. I also found a listing in our TV rag for S4C
- after a little page searching - but not one for the HD channel so
that would seem to confirm them to be the same.

S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
 

On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 09:38:31 +0100, Mark Carver wrote:

No one seems able to answer the basic questions about the channel, does S4C
Clirlun have a different schedule to S4C SD

To the best of my knowledge S4C Clirlun is a simulcast of S4C.

and how much native HD programming does it actually carry ?

I guess they are waiting for BBC Cymru to upgrade the BBC Cymru
studios to HD for Newyddion and Pobol y Cwm. ;)

S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
 

J G Miller wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 09:38:31 +0100, Mark Carver wrote:

No one seems able to answer the basic questions about the channel, does S4C
Clirlun have a different schedule to S4C SD

To the best of my knowledge S4C Clirlun is a simulcast of S4C.

and how much native HD programming does it actually carry ?

I guess they are waiting for BBC Cymru to upgrade the BBC Cymru
studios to HD for Newyddion and Pobol y Cwm. ;)

Pobol y Cwm is already being produced in HD at Roath Lock ?

http://roathlock.com/

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S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
 

On Saturday, July 14th, 2012, at 12:47:14h +0100, Mark Carver wrote:

Pobol y Cwm is already being produced in HD at Roath Lock ?

So that is at least 30 minutes of prime time of S4C in HD. ;)

With the closure of S4C Clirlun how are viewers going to
be able to watch Pobol y Cwm in HD?

Will the BBC consider putting Pobol y Cwm on BBC One HD
to fill out the afternoon schedule, which does have an
historical precedent.