S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
 

On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:45:29 +0100, Mark Carver
wrote:

From:- http://www.s4c.co.uk/e_press_level2.shtml?id=665

Quote

"As part of the efficiency measures, S4C’s high definition service – Clirlun –
is to be discontinued from the end of this year. The Channel today announced
that the high cost of Clirlun – about £1.5m a year – meant discontinuing the
service was unavoidable. The Authority has also identified that Clirlun as a
service is not able to deliver value for money for S4C’s audience in the
current climate.

Ian Jones, S4C’s Chief Executive, said, “The decision comes in the wake of the
considerable reduction in our public funding. There’s no way of avoiding such
a decision made inevitable because of the 36% reduction in our budget in real
terms. It’s important we invest the greatest proportion of our budget in
content in order to ensure value for money and in order to offer the best
programme service to our viewers. "

End Quote

Presumably to be replaced on the HD Mux in Wales by C4 HD ?


About time they switched off S4C
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S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
 

On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:45:29 +0100, Mark Carver
wrote:

From:- http://www.s4c.co.uk/e_press_level2.shtml?id=665

Quote

"As part of the efficiency measures, S4C’s high definition service – Clirlun –
is to be discontinued from the end of this year. The Channel today announced
that the high cost of Clirlun – about £1.5m a year – meant discontinuing the
service was unavoidable. The Authority has also identified that Clirlun as a
service is not able to deliver value for money for S4C’s audience in the
current climate.

Ian Jones, S4C’s Chief Executive, said, “The decision comes in the wake of the
considerable reduction in our public funding. There’s no way of avoiding such
a decision made inevitable because of the 36% reduction in our budget in real
terms. It’s important we invest the greatest proportion of our budget in
content in order to ensure value for money and in order to offer the best
programme service to our viewers. "

End Quote

Presumably to be replaced on the HD Mux in Wales by C4 HD ?

Why would it be cheaper to broadcast C4 HD than S4C HD? They must be
encoding a special Welsh multiplex already due to BBC One Wales
(Cymru) so why is there any cost implication by including S4C? Or
would the programmes be cheaper to produce in SD? I thought most
programmes were produced in HD anyway.

S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
 

Scott wrote:

Why would it be cheaper to broadcast C4 HD than S4C HD? They must be
encoding a special Welsh multiplex already due to BBC One Wales
(Cymru) so why is there any cost implication by including S4C? Or
would the programmes be cheaper to produce in SD? I thought most
programmes were produced in HD anyway.

Not all of that 1.5 million will be the transmission and mux costs, some of it
will be the playout, but I'm not familiar with S4C SD and Clirun, are they
both simulcasts, in which case S4C SD will just be a downconverted feed of
Clirun anyway ?

Just as network BBC 1 SD in England is (more or less) a downconvert of BBC 1 HD.

There is no BBC 1 Wales HD yet, so probably the arrangements specifically for
the HD Mux in Wales are because of S4C. What version of ITV 1 HD is there in
Wales ?


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S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
 

On 12/07/2012 09:02, John wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:52:30 +0100, the dog from that film you saw
wrote:

On 11/07/2012 17:45, Mark Carver wrote:
From:- http://www.s4c.co.uk/e_press_level2.shtml?id=665

Quote

"As part of the efficiency measures, S4C’s high definition service –
Clirlun – is to be discontinued from the end of this year. The Channel
today announced that the high cost of Clirlun – about £1.5m a year –

We're living/trapped in the S4C reception area, trust me, if you're at
all interested that is, watch out for a last minute bail out injection
of huge sums of public money from the idiots in Cardiff to "save" the
service - and all the paperwork will be bilingual and hang the
expense....

If it's idiots from Cardiff, they must be from elsewhere in Wales
originally - probably media types from the nationalist areas. You'd have
to look very hard to find a native of Cardiff who speaks Welsh.

Most TV aerials in Cardiff are pointing at Mendip.

S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
 

On 12/07/2012 09:44, J G Miller wrote:
On Thursday, July 12th, 2012, at 09:02:19h +0100, Brian Gaff pondered:

Could the two broadcasters not collaborate and make one channel? However,
who actually watches Welsh Language programming these days.

You are forgetting that most of the programs are available with
English sub-titles, so the excuse that nobody understands what
people are saying is just FUD.

That's just ****ing ridiculous. Everyone involved in making the
programmes as well everyone watching them can speak English, so why not
just do the common sense thing and do the whole thing in English.

There are no living mono-lingual Welsh speakers, which is pretty much
the definition of a dead language.

S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
 

On 13/07/2012 20:52, Scott wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:45:29 +0100, Mark Carver
wrote:

From:- http://www.s4c.co.uk/e_press_level2.shtml?id=665

Quote

"As part of the efficiency measures, S4C’s high definition service – Clirlun –
is to be discontinued from the end of this year. The Channel today announced
that the high cost of Clirlun – about £1.5m a year – meant discontinuing the
service was unavoidable. The Authority has also identified that Clirlun as a
service is not able to deliver value for money for S4C’s audience in the
current climate.

Ian Jones, S4C’s Chief Executive, said, “The decision comes in the wake of the
considerable reduction in our public funding. There’s no way of avoiding such
a decision made inevitable because of the 36% reduction in our budget in real
terms. It’s important we invest the greatest proportion of our budget in
content in order to ensure value for money and in order to offer the best
programme service to our viewers. "

End Quote

Presumably to be replaced on the HD Mux in Wales by C4 HD ?

Why would it be cheaper to broadcast C4 HD than S4C HD?

It wouldn't. No one is going to pay to advertise on a station that's
watched by more sheep than people.

S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
 

On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:47:14 +0100, Silk wrote:

On 12/07/2012 09:02, John wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:52:30 +0100, the dog from that film you saw
wrote:

On 11/07/2012 17:45, Mark Carver wrote:
From:- http://www.s4c.co.uk/e_press_level2.shtml?id=665

Quote

"As part of the efficiency measures, S4C’s high definition service –
Clirlun – is to be discontinued from the end of this year. The Channel
today announced that the high cost of Clirlun – about £1.5m a year –

We're living/trapped in the S4C reception area, trust me, if you're at
all interested that is, watch out for a last minute bail out injection
of huge sums of public money from the idiots in Cardiff to "save" the
service - and all the paperwork will be bilingual and hang the
expense....

If it's idiots from Cardiff, they must be from elsewhere in Wales
originally - probably media types from the nationalist areas. You'd have
to look very hard to find a native of Cardiff who speaks Welsh.

Most TV aerials in Cardiff are pointing at Mendip.

By "idiots" I meant the vastly over paid and unnecessary, fat cats to
be found sitting in the weird looking building, overlooking the old
docks basin. You know the one, it began with an estimated build cost
of £12million, cause a stir when it rose to £18million and was never
mentioned again after reaching £24million - despite there being an
existing, red brick premises behind the site, already in use for the
exact same function.

S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
 

On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:59:06 +0100, Silk wrote:

On 13/07/2012 20:52, Scott wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:45:29 +0100, Mark Carver
wrote:

From:- http://www.s4c.co.uk/e_press_level2.shtml?id=665

Quote

"As part of the efficiency measures, S4C’s high definition service – Clirlun –
is to be discontinued from the end of this year. The Channel today announced
that the high cost of Clirlun – about £1.5m a year – meant discontinuing the
service was unavoidable. The Authority has also identified that Clirlun as a
service is not able to deliver value for money for S4C’s audience in the
current climate.

Ian Jones, S4C’s Chief Executive, said, “The decision comes in the wake of the
considerable reduction in our public funding. There’s no way of avoiding such
a decision made inevitable because of the 36% reduction in our budget in real
terms. It’s important we invest the greatest proportion of our budget in
content in order to ensure value for money and in order to offer the best
programme service to our viewers. "

End Quote

Presumably to be replaced on the HD Mux in Wales by C4 HD ?

Why would it be cheaper to broadcast C4 HD than S4C HD?

It wouldn't. No one is going to pay to advertise on a station that's
watched by more sheep than people.

I was asking about cost not revenue. Whether C4 can be broadcast in
Wales in competition with S4C is surely a regularory issue? AIUI when
ITV wanted to broadcast ITV1 in Scotland STV put a stop to that pretty
quickly.

S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
 

On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:05:12 +0100, Mark Carver
wrote:

Scott wrote:

Why would it be cheaper to broadcast C4 HD than S4C HD? They must be
encoding a special Welsh multiplex already due to BBC One Wales
(Cymru) so why is there any cost implication by including S4C? Or
would the programmes be cheaper to produce in SD? I thought most
programmes were produced in HD anyway.

Not all of that 1.5 million will be the transmission and mux costs, some of it
will be the playout, but I'm not familiar with S4C SD and Clirun, are they
both simulcasts, in which case S4C SD will just be a downconverted feed of
Clirun anyway ?

Just as network BBC 1 SD in England is (more or less) a downconvert of BBC 1 HD.

There is no BBC 1 Wales HD yet, so probably the arrangements specifically for
the HD Mux in Wales are because of S4C. What version of ITV 1 HD is there in
Wales ?

I appreciate that but AIUI the BBC Trust has committed to providing HD
BBC One to the 'nations' fairly soon. So if the programmes are to be
'muxed up' for Wales anyway where is the extra cost of including S4C
HD in the mux? As I said in my other post, would Ofcom not object to
C4 being broadcast in Wales when there is S4C in the same way as ITV
were not allowed to broadcast ITV1 in Scotland when STV objected?

As

S4C HD ( Clirlun ) to be ditched at the end of 2012
 

Scott wrote:

I was asking about cost not revenue. Whether C4 can be broadcast in
Wales in competition with S4C is surely a regularory issue? AIUI when
ITV wanted to broadcast ITV1 in Scotland STV put a stop to that pretty
quickly.


C4 has been broadcast in Wales (alongside S4C) since 1998. It's been available
on Welsh DTT transmitters since the launch of On Digital that year, and also
on Sky's EPG (albeit not Ch 104 for Welsh postcodes) from Oct 1998.

Of course today it is available on every Welsh terrestrial transmitter.

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