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Strange how ITV not consistent with local ITV1 on Freesat HD

As for the BBC blanking out HD freesat BBC1 when local news on is beyond me
just plain stupid. At our house I tune to 108 Freesat for BBC 6pm News
then 30 minutes later program disappears my wife then uses her RC to tune to
101 (SD) and there it stops all evening, we might as well not have HD.
Regards
David




"J G Miller" wrote in message ...

On Saturday, June 16th, 2012, at 10:03:06h +0100, David Park wrote:

I use Freesat BBC1 does give me local Leeds Programs as does ITV1.

That is true for you, but for viewers in some areas, the most appropriate
ITV-1 region is encrypted.

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We were about to embark at Dover, when (J G Miller) came
up to me and whispered:

Dave, Dejavu, Challenge, and Challenge +1

All owned by UKTV, which is a joint venture between two commercial
companies.

the British Broadcasting Corporation is not one of them, though it's
subsidiary, BBC Worldwide is the junior partner in the company.

So, no, as I expected, there are no commercial BBC Channels.

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On Saturday, June 16th, 2012, at 14:38:36h +0100, Yellow pondered:

And Film4.

Film 4 and Film 4 +1 are both available free-to-air from Astra 1N
on transponder 41 frequency 10,714 GHz Horizontal polarisation

http://www.lyngsat.COM/tvchannels/uk/Film-4.html

http://www.lyngsat.COM/tvchannels/uk/Film-4--1.html

and are on the Freesat EPG at LCN 301 and LCN 302 respectively.

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We were about to embark at Dover, when (Yellow) came up to
me and whispered:

Quite a few of the relay transmitter (including my mother's
which is how come I took an interest) were never converted to
show C5 so the 4 channels was it.

Even if the relay was not converted, more than 70% of the population was
in reach of a C5 analogue transmitter, just many of them had neither the
time or inclination (or money) to put up a second aerial for the out of
band (90% of the time) and different direction of the weaker C5
transmitter.

To be fair, I've been lucky. When C5 launched, I was 7 miles from Croydon,
and now I'm 7 miles from Hannington.

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On Saturday, June 16th, 2012, at 15:11:42h +0100, David wrote:

Strange how ITV not consistent with local ITV1 on Freesat HD

On satellite there are (as far as I can tell) only three ITV1 HD
streams -- ITV-1 HD London (which is DVB-s), ITV-1 HD Granada (which is DVB-s2)
and ITV1-HD Merdidian South East, which is DVB-s2 but strangely is
Videoguard encrypted so is only available to $ky receivers.

So as you rightly observe, ITV-1 HD except for the Granada and
London regions, and for $ky subscribers in Merdian South East
is far from consistent.

And then there is ITV-1 +1 variations which are six mega regions,
so again there is much inconsistency and viewers like yourself
in West Yorkshire who miss Calendar at 18:00h are required to
watch (as far as I am aware) Granada Reports at 19:00h.

As for the BBC blanking out HD freesat BBC1 when local news on is beyond me
just plain stupid.

Not entirely -- surely they would have to pay the BBC London announcers
a large increase in salary because instead of just having their work
shewn in the London region, they are now being shewn throughout
Her Britannic Majesty's realm?

At our house I tune to 108 Freesat for BBC 6pm News
then 30 minutes later program disappears my wife then uses her RC to tune to
101 (SD) and there it stops all evening, we might as well not have HD.

I thought that digital receivers could be pre-programmed to change
stations, in some interfaces referred to as "reserved"?

So all you need do is look at the EPG for the evening, push a few buttons,
and then never have to worry about using the remote control to change
stations for you again that evening.

My personal opinion is that putting BBC-1 HD on LCN 108 was illogical
and inconsistent. Grouping all the HD stations together as on Freeview
is much more convenient and user friendly, and should have been done as

N51 : BBC 1 HD
N52 : BBC HD
N53 : stv HD / UTV HD / ITV-1 HD
N54 : C4
N55 : S4C Clirlun

where N is null for Freeview, and 1 for Freesat

It will be interesting to see how these are in fact numbered if
the Grand Freeview EPG realignment goes ahead and the HD streams
are moved to the 100+ positions.

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On Saturday, June 16th, 2012, at 15:25:00h +0100, Paul Cummins wrote:

We were about to embark at Dover, when (J G Miller) came
up to me and whispered:

Dave, Dejavu, Challenge, and Challenge +1

All owned by UKTV, which is a joint venture between two commercial
companies.

Yes and one of those two companies is the BBC commercial company
BBC Worldwide as you state.

BBC Worldwide is most definitely not the junior partner and there is
repeatedly talk of the BBC buying out Scripps Networks Interactive
share of the business.

From http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2011/04_april/27/vision.shtml

QUOTE
The Director, BBC Vision is responsible for
BBC One, BBC Two, BBC Three, BBC Four, BBC One HD, BBC HD and BBC Films.
He also oversees Vision Productions and has *editorial oversight for UKTV*.
UNQUOTE

Do you understand what that means? The same man who is responsible for
the BBC 1,2,3,4 is the same man who is responsible for editorial oversight
(ie program content) on the UKTV stations.

Therefore the UKTV stations are clearly BBC commercial stations under
the direct editorial control of a senior BBC (not BBC Worldwide) executive.

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Yellow wrote:

Depends on your taste in films, but Film4 show loads of unusual and hard
to gets that are never shown on C4.

That was certainly true before Film 4 went FTA, and was a premium subscription
service on Sky, but nowadays is that really the case ?

Tonight's film at the 'flagship' 21:00hrs slot, is 'Assault of Precinct 13'
hardly esoteric, and at 01:20hrs, Predator, (yet again); yawn.

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Paul Cummins wrote:
We were about to embark at Dover, when (Yellow) came up to
me and whispered:

Quite a few of the relay transmitter (including my mother's
which is how come I took an interest) were never converted to
show C5 so the 4 channels was it.

Even if the relay was not converted, more than 70% of the population was
in reach of a C5 analogue transmitter,

Indeed, and once DSO is complete 90% of the population will be served by
transmitters carrying all six Freeview muxes. That's 81 sites.

The remaining 1070 relay sites that only carry three muxes, serve between them
less than 10% of the remaining UK population.


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We were about to embark at Dover, when (J G Miller) came
up to me and whispered:

The same man who is responsible for
the BBC 1,2,3,4 is the same man who is responsible for
editorial oversight
(ie program content) on the UKTV stations.

And each has a Programme Controller responsible for the day-to-day
matters. Editorial Oversight does not mean he runs them. Merely that if
the **** hits the fan, he gets it on him.

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David wrote:
At our house I tune to 108 Freesat for BBC 6pm
News then 30 minutes later program disappears my wife then uses her RC
to tune to 101 (SD) and there it stops all evening, we might as well not
have HD.

Oh for goodness sake. Do as I do, and rule your house with an uncompromising
iron fist, and don't stand for that bloody nonsense. You'll be telling me next
you sometimes walk into the living room, and see the wrong aspect ratio
setting being used.

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