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On 6/15/2012 4:07 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
Paul Cummins wrote:

We were about to embark at Dover, when lid (Mark
Carver) came up to me and whispered:

much more than the four
analogues available pre DSO.

Did you misspell 5?

Ch5 on a relay?

Yes.

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On Friday, June 15th, 2012, at 21:07:52 +0100, Andy Burns asked:

Ch5 on a relay?

Please see the list at

http://tx.mb21.co.UK/info/625/channel5/txlist.shtml

The London Borough of Croydon has not one, but two relays
carrying Channel 5.

Is it "safe" (please, no dentists) to say that all relays which did carry
Channel 5 (eg Lancaster, Storeton, Whitehawk Hill) and covered a major
urban population area went on to broadcast all six multiplexes?

Remember "Channel 5", the televisual cultural gift to the nation by
John Major, being a commercial enterprise, wanted maximum population
coverage, exactly the same metric that was later sought by OnDigital.

And will there be celebrations and fireworks when the last remaining
Channel 5 analog transmission ceases and its fine programming is
enjoyed by means of terrestrial digital transmitters throughout
Her Britannic Majesty's realm?

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On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 12:27:58 +0100, "David"
wrote:

Would we say then it is Ofcom's fault for not making it a condition in
contracts that all services be provided?
Regards
David

"charles" wrote in message
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In article , David wrote:
Last week was on holiday in Ramsbottom, Lancashire in my caravan and
found that this town only receives from a relay with only about half the
Freeview programs. To me it is a large populated area and the people
there are being cheated as like the rest of us pay the taxes etc. I
had thought the half program transmitters would be in small low
populated areas way out in the country villages.

Nothing to do with taxes. These extra channels are provided (or not) by
free enterprise (aka Commercial Interests).

Indeed, it is nothing to do with taxes. The services funded by the
licence fee payers and indeed all other public service broadcasts (eg,
ITV/STV/UTV/CTV) are provided at all transmitters.

It is difficult to argue that commercial services have to be provided
on a universal basis. Where would you end? Should Starbucks be
requred to provide a coffee shop in every town, village and hamlet?

An alternative argument is that through Freesat (and a clue lies i the
name) these services are in the main provided universally.

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J G Miller wrote:
On Friday, June 15th, 2012, at 21:07:52 +0100, Andy Burns asked:

Ch5 on a relay?

Please see the list at

http://tx.mb21.co.UK/info/625/channel5/txlist.shtml

The London Borough of Croydon has not one, but two relays
carrying Channel 5.

*Had*, and *two* relays ?

Is it "safe" (please, no dentists) to say that all relays which did carry
Channel 5 (eg Lancaster, Storeton, Whitehawk Hill) and covered a major
urban population area went on to broadcast all six multiplexes?

Only 10 relays that are/will be 'Three Mux' were/are equipped for C5 analogue.
The remaining 1070 or so relays, only ever carried four analogue services
(apart from the handful that only carried two analogues, and the three in
Hampshire that only carried one (ITV). All of those, with the exception of
Kings Lynn, Burham, and Wells-next-to-the-Sea, closed at DSO anyway.

--
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

www.paras.org.uk

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On Friday, June 15th, 2012, at 21:39:55h +0100, Scott wrote:

An alternative argument is that through Freesat (and a clue lies i the
name) these services are in the main provided universally.

I concur with your points except on the following details.

The BBC commercial tv stations are not available on Freesat,
because the BBC prefers that people pay money to Uncle Rupert to
watch them if they cannot receive them via Freeview.

Not all ITV-1 regional news opt outs are available on Freesat,
so viewers in some areas are deprived of their most appropriate 5
minute news bulletin.

Cymraeg viewers living outside of the range of a terrestrial
transmitter are deprived of S4C Clirlun.

Surely this is unjustifiable since S4C Clirlun is funded by
television receiving licence fees?

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On Friday, June 15th, 2012, at 22:32:12h +0100, Mark Carver wrote:

*Had*, and *two* relays ?

Yes, had (past tense) -- split of the finger there.

Oops, not two relays but two masts transmitting Channel 5.

Croydon was of course the main transmitter not a relay ;)

And from the opposite perspective, were Bristol Ilchester
Crescent and Bristol Kings Weston the only two "relays"
which did not tranmit Channel 5 but do carry all six
multiplexes?

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We were about to embark at Dover, when (J G Miller) came
up to me and whispered:

The BBC commercial tv stations are not available on Freesat,

What BBC Comercial stations are they then?

I get BBC 1,2,3,4, Alba, News24, Parliament and all the UK and devolved
national stations on freesat.

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Wasting Bandwidth since 1981
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On Saturday, June 16th, 2012, at 00:11:00h +0100, Paul Cummins wrote:

What BBC Comercial stations are they then?

Dave, Dejavu, Challenge, and Challenge +1

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J G Miller wrote:

And from the opposite perspective, were Bristol Ilchester
Crescent and Bristol Kings Weston the only two "relays"
which did not tranmit Channel 5 but do carry all six
multiplexes?

Oooh no, there was also:-

Guildford
Hemel Hemstead
Pontypool
Aberdare
Lark Stoke
Malvern
Bromsgrove
Brierly Hill
Fenton
Chesterfield
Idle
Keigthly
Pendle Forest
Saddleworth
Lancaster
Rosneath

--
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

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On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 02:00:51 +0000 (UTC), J G Miller wrote:

Challenge, and Challenge +1

I think you'll find those 2 are FTA on Sat.