2 satellite dishes on one house?
 

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"Andy Burns" wrote in message
o.uk...
Bob Minchin wrote:

planning requirements have changed quite a bit
since then and in most cases, they have relaxed rather than tightened.

http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/per...jects/antenna/

Oooh I have a TV aerial, a DAB aerial, an FM aerial and a dish, better
hope dennis doesn't snitch


I've x-posted to uk.tech.digital-tv because that is where the aerial
installers hang out.

If I read the contents of the above link correctly:

"an antenna mounted on the roof only sticks out above the roof when there is
a chimney-stack. In this case, the antenna should not stick out more than 60
centimetres above the highest part of the roof, or above the highest part of
the chimney stack, whichever is lower."

virtually all the installations I can see from my house require planning
permission because they are above the top of the chimney which is above the
top of the house.

I know my last installation at a previous house (hoisted high on an alloy
scaffolding pole and still high and proud) is well outside these limits.

The ambiguous phrasing of
"if you are installing a single antenna, it is not more than 100 centimetres
in any linear dimension (not including any projecting feed element,
reinforcing rim, mounting and brackets);"
makes me wonder if the modern toast racks you see are within these rules.

I can also, from where I am sitting now, see a roof with two poles and three
TV aerials on the chimney (although all look so eroded they are probably not
in current use) which are all above roof and chimney height.

Pondering further on "mounted on the roof" does that mean that there are no
restrictions if it is mounted on a wall (e.g. a gable end)?


This all looks very silly.

Cheers

Dave R
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No plan survives contact with the enemy.
[Not even bunny]

Helmuth von Moltke the Elder

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2 satellite dishes on one house?
 

snip
This all looks very silly.

I think the problem comes from a slightly sloppy heading to the guidance
on planning portal. It is headed "Satellite,TV and Radio Antenna". But
ISTM the underlying regulations cited deal (simplifying greatly to keep
just the relevant bits) ) only with satellite (and terrestrial
microwave) antennae. Take eg the reference to a limit of 130
centimetres on antenna. That'd make unlawful the use of a lot of Blake
DMX aerials but I see no signs of Bill et al being done for fitting
them. Amending the heading to "Satellite antenna for TV & Radio" might
be a good quick fix.
--
Robin
reply to address is (meant to be) valid

2 satellite dishes on one house?
 

Whatever happened to that lens system for sat reception whre the glass of a
window was changed and some stick on metal rings were put on and the lnb
was inside?
Also seem to recall Revox patenting aan aerial that looked like a public
address horn.


Brian

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Email:
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"David WE Roberts" wrote in message
...
X-POST added

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
o.uk...
Bob Minchin wrote:

planning requirements have changed quite a bit
since then and in most cases, they have relaxed rather than tightened.

http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/per...jects/antenna/

Oooh I have a TV aerial, a DAB aerial, an FM aerial and a dish, better
hope dennis doesn't snitch


I've x-posted to uk.tech.digital-tv because that is where the aerial
installers hang out.

If I read the contents of the above link correctly:

"an antenna mounted on the roof only sticks out above the roof when there
is a chimney-stack. In this case, the antenna should not stick out more
than 60 centimetres above the highest part of the roof, or above the
highest part of the chimney stack, whichever is lower."

virtually all the installations I can see from my house require planning
permission because they are above the top of the chimney which is above
the top of the house.

I know my last installation at a previous house (hoisted high on an alloy
scaffolding pole and still high and proud) is well outside these limits.

The ambiguous phrasing of
"if you are installing a single antenna, it is not more than 100
centimetres in any linear dimension (not including any projecting feed
element, reinforcing rim, mounting and brackets);"
makes me wonder if the modern toast racks you see are within these rules.

I can also, from where I am sitting now, see a roof with two poles and
three TV aerials on the chimney (although all look so eroded they are
probably not in current use) which are all above roof and chimney height.

Pondering further on "mounted on the roof" does that mean that there are
no restrictions if it is mounted on a wall (e.g. a gable end)?


This all looks very silly.

Cheers

Dave R
--
No plan survives contact with the enemy.
[Not even bunny]

Helmuth von Moltke the Elder

(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")

2 satellite dishes on one house?
 

"David WE Roberts" wrote in message
...
X-POST added

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
o.uk...
Bob Minchin wrote:

planning requirements have changed quite a bit
since then and in most cases, they have relaxed rather than tightened.

http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/per...jects/antenna/

Oooh I have a TV aerial, a DAB aerial, an FM aerial and a dish, better
hope dennis doesn't snitch


I've x-posted to uk.tech.digital-tv because that is where the aerial
installers hang out.

If I read the contents of the above link correctly:

"an antenna mounted on the roof only sticks out above the roof when there
is a chimney-stack. In this case, the antenna should not stick out more
than 60 centimetres above the highest part of the roof, or above the
highest part of the chimney stack, whichever is lower."

virtually all the installations I can see from my house require planning
permission because they are above the top of the chimney which is above
the top of the house.

I know my last installation at a previous house (hoisted high on an alloy
scaffolding pole and still high and proud) is well outside these limits.

The ambiguous phrasing of
"if you are installing a single antenna, it is not more than 100
centimetres in any linear dimension (not including any projecting feed
element, reinforcing rim, mounting and brackets);"
makes me wonder if the modern toast racks you see are within these rules.

I can also, from where I am sitting now, see a roof with two poles and
three TV aerials on the chimney (although all look so eroded they are
probably not in current use) which are all above roof and chimney height.

Pondering further on "mounted on the roof" does that mean that there are
no restrictions if it is mounted on a wall (e.g. a gable end)?


This all looks very silly.

Cheers

Dave R
--
No plan survives contact with the enemy.
[Not even bunny]

Helmuth von Moltke the Elder

(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")

Odd to see the term "antenna" used here. "Aerial" is the common term for
broadcast stuff - I tend to use antenna only for radio astronomy - in a
probing sort of way.

2 satellite dishes on one house?
 

"Robin" wrote in message
...
snip
This all looks very silly.

I think the problem comes from a slightly sloppy heading to the guidance
on planning portal. It is headed "Satellite,TV and Radio Antenna". But
ISTM the underlying regulations cited deal (simplifying greatly to keep
just the relevant bits) ) only with satellite (and terrestrial microwave)
antennae. Take eg the reference to a limit of 130 centimetres on
antenna. That'd make unlawful the use of a lot of Blake DMX aerials but I
see no signs of Bill et al being done for fitting them. Amending the
heading to "Satellite antenna for TV & Radio" might be a good quick fix.
--
Robin
reply to address is (meant to be) valid


and then it would be "antennae"

2 satellite dishes on one house?
 

"Geoff Pearson" wrote in message
...

"David WE Roberts" wrote in message
...
X-POST added

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
o.uk...
Bob Minchin wrote:

planning requirements have changed quite a bit
since then and in most cases, they have relaxed rather than tightened.

http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/per...jects/antenna/

Oooh I have a TV aerial, a DAB aerial, an FM aerial and a dish, better
hope dennis doesn't snitch


I've x-posted to uk.tech.digital-tv because that is where the aerial
installers hang out.

If I read the contents of the above link correctly:

"an antenna mounted on the roof only sticks out above the roof when there
is a chimney-stack. In this case, the antenna should not stick out more
than 60 centimetres above the highest part of the roof, or above the
highest part of the chimney stack, whichever is lower."

virtually all the installations I can see from my house require planning
permission because they are above the top of the chimney which is above
the top of the house.

I know my last installation at a previous house (hoisted high on an alloy
scaffolding pole and still high and proud) is well outside these limits.

The ambiguous phrasing of
"if you are installing a single antenna, it is not more than 100
centimetres in any linear dimension (not including any projecting feed
element, reinforcing rim, mounting and brackets);"
makes me wonder if the modern toast racks you see are within these rules.

I can also, from where I am sitting now, see a roof with two poles and
three TV aerials on the chimney (although all look so eroded they are
probably not in current use) which are all above roof and chimney height.

Pondering further on "mounted on the roof" does that mean that there are
no restrictions if it is mounted on a wall (e.g. a gable end)?


This all looks very silly.

Odd to see the term "antenna" used here. "Aerial" is the common term for
broadcast stuff - I tend to use antenna only for radio astronomy - in a
probing sort of way.

Common usage keeps changing with living languages.

That happened with airfield/airport too.

2 satellite dishes on one house?
 

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...


"Geoff Pearson" wrote in message
...

"David WE Roberts" wrote in message
...
X-POST added

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
o.uk...
Bob Minchin wrote:

planning requirements have changed quite a bit
since then and in most cases, they have relaxed rather than tightened.

http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/per...jects/antenna/

Oooh I have a TV aerial, a DAB aerial, an FM aerial and a dish, better
hope dennis doesn't snitch


I've x-posted to uk.tech.digital-tv because that is where the aerial
installers hang out.

If I read the contents of the above link correctly:

"an antenna mounted on the roof only sticks out above the roof when
there is a chimney-stack. In this case, the antenna should not stick out
more than 60 centimetres above the highest part of the roof, or above
the highest part of the chimney stack, whichever is lower."

virtually all the installations I can see from my house require planning
permission because they are above the top of the chimney which is above
the top of the house.

I know my last installation at a previous house (hoisted high on an
alloy scaffolding pole and still high and proud) is well outside these
limits.

The ambiguous phrasing of
"if you are installing a single antenna, it is not more than 100
centimetres in any linear dimension (not including any projecting feed
element, reinforcing rim, mounting and brackets);"
makes me wonder if the modern toast racks you see are within these
rules.

I can also, from where I am sitting now, see a roof with two poles and
three TV aerials on the chimney (although all look so eroded they are
probably not in current use) which are all above roof and chimney
height.

Pondering further on "mounted on the roof" does that mean that there are
no restrictions if it is mounted on a wall (e.g. a gable end)?


This all looks very silly.

Odd to see the term "antenna" used here. "Aerial" is the common term for
broadcast stuff - I tend to use antenna only for radio astronomy - in a
probing sort of way.

Common usage keeps changing with living languages.

That happened with airfield/airport too.

But airfield and airport now have separate meanings. Antenna isn't used by
anyone, is it? I am a licensed radio amateur.

2 satellite dishes on one house?
 

In message , Martin
writes



The rest of the world uses the word antenna or various forms of it,
for what in UK is called an aerial.

"Aerial" is (or was) not uniquely a British-ism. As late as the late
1930s, some adverts in America were using the term "aerial". Of course,
today, it's all "antenna".

And, of course, when "antenna" is used, there's the endless debate as to
whether the plural is "antennae" or "antennas". In the world of radio
and TV, "antennas" is generally favoured - but would be inappropriate
and strange-sounding in the field of entomology.

In my opinion, the overly pedantic use of a Latin plural for a 'Latin'
word smacks of know-all affection. For a start, some of the apparently
'Latin' words didn't exist in the days of Ancient Rome, and many of
those which did exist often had different meanings (often QUITE
different) from what they mean today. Even if the Latin plural IS
arguably legitimate, I find it grates when some clever-clogs insists on
using it for a word which generally takes an English plural. For
example, in the next few months, I reckon we are going to hear quite a
lot about "stadia" which, for me, is a pretty good excuse for avoiding
the Olympics as much as possible!





--
Ian

2 satellite dishes on one house?
 

On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 13:37:00 +0100, Ian Jackson
wrote:

In message , Martin
writes



The rest of the world uses the word antenna or various forms of it,
for what in UK is called an aerial.

"Aerial" is (or was) not uniquely a British-ism. As late as the late
1930s, some adverts in America were using the term "aerial". Of course,
today, it's all "antenna".

And, of course, when "antenna" is used, there's the endless debate as to
whether the plural is "antennae" or "antennas". In the world of radio
and TV, "antennas" is generally favoured - but would be inappropriate
and strange-sounding in the field of entomology.

In my opinion, the overly pedantic use of a Latin plural for a 'Latin'
word smacks of know-all affection. For a start, some of the apparently
'Latin' words didn't exist in the days of Ancient Rome, and many of
those which did exist often had different meanings (often QUITE
different) from what they mean today. Even if the Latin plural IS
arguably legitimate, I find it grates when some clever-clogs insists on
using it for a word which generally takes an English plural. For
example, in the next few months, I reckon we are going to hear quite a
lot about "stadia" which, for me, is a pretty good excuse for avoiding
the Olympics as much as possible!





And to prove yoy right here is Stan Laurel saying aerial in "Hog Wild"
(1930)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jApyZ4LcKpI

--
Graham.
%Profound_observation%

2 satellite dishes on one house?
 

On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:23:17 +0100, Geoff Pearson wrote:

Odd to see the term "antenna" used here. "Aerial" is the common term
for broadcast stuff - I tend to use antenna only for radio astronomy -
in a probing sort of way.

When I studied this stuff, the module title used the 'antenna' word, so
it's all I use.



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