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Steve Thackery[_2_] April 30th 12 12:16 AM

optimum viewing distance vs screen size - SD & HD
 
Richard Russell wrote:

I can't help with respect to the earlier treatise, but it is generally
reckoned that the visual acuity of the eye is approximately one
minute-of-arc. That implies a viewing distance of 6H (six times the
picture height) for SD, 4.8H for 720p HD and 3.2H for 1080p HD. For HDTV
critical viewing the ITU recommends 3H; I believe the BBC tends to use
4H.


Fred: Richard has nailed it. This is how you work out the optimum
viewing distance.

HOWEVER, you should bear in mind two things.

1/ If your eyesight isn't perfect you won't be able to resolve to 1
arc-minute, so you'd need a bigger screen for a given viewing distance.

2/ A very important factor is how big you like the picture. I have a
55" TV which is just the right size for my viewing distance, but many
people find it too large for comfort.

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Brian Gaff April 30th 12 09:38 AM

optimum viewing distance vs screen size - SD & HD
 
So, if there are artifacts, why bother with hd?

I have no duch issues these days, I get rid of the screen altogether!

Brian

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On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 14:22:19 +0100, Fred wrote:
A contributor to one of these groups wrote an excellent treatise on
this subject - maybe 6 months ago.


I can't help with respect to the earlier treatise, but it is generally
reckoned that the visual acuity of the eye is approximately one
minute-of-arc. That implies a viewing distance of 6H (six times the
picture height) for SD, 4.8H for 720p HD and 3.2H for 1080p HD. For HDTV
critical viewing the ITU recommends 3H; I believe the BBC tends to use 4H.

So if your screen size is 42" diagonal (20.6" high) 3H corresponds to
about 5 feet (1.6 metres). Of course at this distance you will see every
defect, so if you want to be spared MPEG compression artefacts and the
like you may be wise to increase the distance somewhat!

Richard.
http://www.rtrussell.co.uk/



Bill Wright[_2_] April 30th 12 11:19 AM

optimum viewing distance vs screen size - SD & HD
 
Brian Gaff wrote:
So, if there are artifacts, why bother with hd?

I have no duch issues these days, I get rid of the screen altogether!

Brian

A classic case of making a virtue out of a necessity.

Bill

Andy Champ[_2_] April 30th 12 08:36 PM

optimum viewing distance vs screen size - SD & HD
 
On 30/04/2012 08:38, Brian Gaff wrote:
So, if there are artifacts, why bother with hd?


Because as it's HD they give it a bigger bit budget. Which means there
are fewer, smaller, artefacts.

Andy

Steve Thackery[_2_] April 30th 12 08:42 PM

optimum viewing distance vs screen size - SD & HD
 
Andy Champ wrote:

Because as it's HD they give it a bigger bit budget. Which means there
are fewer, smaller, artefacts.


I agree. The compression artefacts seem far less apparent on HD than
on SD. At least to my eyes.

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hwh[_2_] May 1st 12 10:45 PM

optimum viewing distance vs screen size - SD & HD
 
On 4/29/12 4:41 PM, Richard Russell wrote:
On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 14:22:19 +0100, Fred wrote:
A contributor to one of these groups wrote an excellent treatise on
this subject - maybe 6 months ago.


I can't help with respect to the earlier treatise, but it is generally
reckoned that the visual acuity of the eye is approximately one
minute-of-arc. That implies a viewing distance of 6H (six times the
picture height) for SD, 4.8H for 720p HD and 3.2H for 1080p HD. For
HDTV critical viewing the ITU recommends 3H; I believe the BBC tends to
use 4H.

So if your screen size is 42" diagonal (20.6" high) 3H corresponds to
about 5 feet (1.6 metres). Of course at this distance you will see
every defect, so if you want to be spared MPEG compression artefacts and
the like you may be wise to increase the distance somewhat!


And at a 'somewhat increased ' distance you will still see a remarkable
difference between HD and SD. At least I do.

gr, hwh

R. Mark Clayton May 2nd 12 02:16 AM

optimum viewing distance vs screen size - SD & HD
 

"Fred" wrote in message
...
A contributor to one of these groups wrote an excellent treatise on
this subject - maybe 6 months ago.

I can't seem to locate it, please help.

My own 32" HD TV looks fantastic in HD at ~ 1-2m; but at ~ 4-5m I
can't really tell much difference between HD and a "high quality" (eg
BBC news, studio) SD transmission.

Wish I'd bought a 40" !

TIA


Google up optimum screen size. IIRC Richer Sounds had something on this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimum...ewing_distance but remember Yank
sets are 720p.

From 3m-4m probably 37"-42", from 4m-5m 47" and so on.

Viewed from about 3.5m my 42" in HD looks very good and you can easily see
the difference, however a larger screen might have been better because I
can't make out text when I plug in the net-book unless I get closer. OTOH
too large a screen and your eye can't encompass it all.

From the dining area (~7m) you can't tell the difference between SD and HD.

My desk PC has two 21" CRT screens at 1,600X1,200 and this was well worth it
(the newer can display 2048x1536, but this is smaller than the phosphor dots
(well bars - it's Trinitron)).

The angular resolution of the naked eye is about 1'; however, some people
have sharper vision than that.




John Legon May 2nd 12 04:28 AM

optimum viewing distance vs screen size - SD & HD
 
R. Mark Clayton wrote:

My desk PC has two 21" CRT screens at 1,600X1,200 and this was well worth it
(the newer can display 2048x1536, but this is smaller than the phosphor dots
(well bars - it's Trinitron)).


Nice, but it's worth bearing in mind that watching TV on a small screen
at close range is by no means equivalent to watching TV on a large
screen at a proportionally greater distance.

I think the reason for this is partly because most programme content is
shot with a camera-to-subject distance which is greater than typical TV
viewing distances, so a bigger screen image at a larger distance appears
more natural and life-like to the eye and brain, and partly because the
eyes have to work harder to converge and focus on a near object. The
lens muscles are relaxed when the eyes are focussed on the far point.

I became aware of this effect when testing my stereoscopic viewing
system with 2D images. In the extreme case, the images are only 15 cm
from the eyes but strong reading glasses are used so that the images are
in focus when the eyes are relaxed and focussed on the far point.
In addition, by using two screens, the image path for the two eyes is
split, and the convergence can be adjusted for "parallel" viewing with
the eyes again relaxed and looking into the distance.

The result is a virtual screen image of indeterminate size located at
"infinity". The effect is cinematic, and very different to watching
video on a small screen at a short viewing distance.







The angular resolution of the naked eye is about 1'; however, some people
have sharper vision than that.





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