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Pro's and cons of different tv types
I'm thinking of getting a new tv, but I know nothing of the advantages
or otherwise of the various types: OLED, edge lit, plasma, etc. I have googled, but can't find a site that explains the basics. Any advice from you knowledgeable lot? TIA Hugh -- Hugh Newbury www.evershot-weather.org |
Pro's and cons of different tv types
Bet that gets some confusing answers.
For what its worth my brother who is very fussy about picture quality got this deal from John Lewis this week. http://www.johnlewis.com/231589058/Product.aspx Regards David "Hugh Newbury" wrote in message ... I'm thinking of getting a new tv, but I know nothing of the advantages or otherwise of the various types: OLED, edge lit, plasma, etc. I have googled, but can't find a site that explains the basics. Any advice from you knowledgeable lot? TIA Hugh -- Hugh Newbury www.evershot-weather.org |
Pro's and cons of different tv types
Most people would I think say that if it works and looks good then sod what
type of screen it has. I'd not go plazma myself though. Brian -- Brian Gaff....Note, this account does not accept Bcc: email. graphics are great, but the blind can't hear them Email: __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________ "Hugh Newbury" wrote in message ... I'm thinking of getting a new tv, but I know nothing of the advantages or otherwise of the various types: OLED, edge lit, plasma, etc. I have googled, but can't find a site that explains the basics. Any advice from you knowledgeable lot? TIA Hugh -- Hugh Newbury www.evershot-weather.org |
Pro's and cons of different tv types
"Hugh Newbury" wrote in message ... I'm thinking of getting a new tv, but I know nothing of the advantages or otherwise of the various types: OLED, edge lit, plasma, etc. I have googled, but can't find a site that explains the basics. Any advice from you knowledgeable lot? Where is it going? How big do you want it to be? Do you want 3D? Do you want Internet connection? FreeView only or FreeSat as well? USB port? SD card slot to display pictures aqnd movies? How many connections and what type? HDMI for newer devices. SCART, composite video etc. for any legacy devices you wish to retain. Sound performance, sound outputs for AV system or sound bar. Probably more important, how rich are you? ;-) Or are you just asking about screen technology? Currently you can have either a Plasma TV (a bit power hungry, slight fan noise, generally good picture) or a variation on an LCD TV. Plasma from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_display. "A plasma display panel (PDP) is a type of flat panel display common to large TV displays 30 inches (76 cm) or larger. They are called "plasma" displays because the technology utilizes small cells containing electrically charged ionized gases, or what are in essence chambers more commonly known as fluorescent lamps." LCD from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lcd_display. "A liquid crystal display (LCD) is a flat panel display, electronic visual display, or video display that uses the light modulating properties of liquid crystals (LCs). LCs do not emit light directly." So the main difference is that plasma emmits light directly but LCD needs a seperate light source. In fact, reading the Wiki pags should answer most of your questions. With the LCD TVs most of the fancy names (LED etc.) just refer to the method of providing back lighting to the LCD screen and are probably less important than the list of options above which govern how you will connect up and use the TV. A poor screen with fancy backlighting is trumped by a good screen with more traditional back lighting. Most important is the decoding and rendering software built into the TV, and the reputation of the supplier for providing updates. A new variation of TV screen is nearly here - OLED. http://www.oled-info.com/oled-tv Potentially the next technology and allegedly better than plasma or LCD. However there are costs and associated risks in being an early adopter (which is why I asked how rich you are) so unless you have the cash and burning desire to be the first kid on the block with OLED it is probably wise to wait a year or two for the early bugs to settle and the costs to come down. Last question, which really should be the first one, what is wrong with your current TV? Or is this an extra set e.g. for the bedroom? Oh, and http://www.avforums.com/forums/index.php is usualy a good resource. Cheers Dave R -- No plan survives contact with the enemy. [Not even bunny] Helmuth von Moltke the Elder (\__/) (='.'=) (")_(") |
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You mention Plasma using more power, but aren't they heavier as well, maybe
a 2 man lift ? Regards David "David WE Roberts" wrote in message ... "Hugh Newbury" wrote in message ... I'm thinking of getting a new tv, but I know nothing of the advantages or otherwise of the various types: OLED, edge lit, plasma, etc. I have googled, but can't find a site that explains the basics. Any advice from you knowledgeable lot? Where is it going? How big do you want it to be? Do you want 3D? Do you want Internet connection? FreeView only or FreeSat as well? USB port? SD card slot to display pictures aqnd movies? How many connections and what type? HDMI for newer devices. SCART, composite video etc. for any legacy devices you wish to retain. Sound performance, sound outputs for AV system or sound bar. Probably more important, how rich are you? ;-) Or are you just asking about screen technology? Currently you can have either a Plasma TV (a bit power hungry, slight fan noise, generally good picture) or a variation on an LCD TV. Plasma from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_display. "A plasma display panel (PDP) is a type of flat panel display common to large TV displays 30 inches (76 cm) or larger. They are called "plasma" displays because the technology utilizes small cells containing electrically charged ionized gases, or what are in essence chambers more commonly known as fluorescent lamps." LCD from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lcd_display. "A liquid crystal display (LCD) is a flat panel display, electronic visual display, or video display that uses the light modulating properties of liquid crystals (LCs). LCs do not emit light directly." So the main difference is that plasma emmits light directly but LCD needs a seperate light source. In fact, reading the Wiki pags should answer most of your questions. With the LCD TVs most of the fancy names (LED etc.) just refer to the method of providing back lighting to the LCD screen and are probably less important than the list of options above which govern how you will connect up and use the TV. A poor screen with fancy backlighting is trumped by a good screen with more traditional back lighting. Most important is the decoding and rendering software built into the TV, and the reputation of the supplier for providing updates. A new variation of TV screen is nearly here - OLED. http://www.oled-info.com/oled-tv Potentially the next technology and allegedly better than plasma or LCD. However there are costs and associated risks in being an early adopter (which is why I asked how rich you are) so unless you have the cash and burning desire to be the first kid on the block with OLED it is probably wise to wait a year or two for the early bugs to settle and the costs to come down. Last question, which really should be the first one, what is wrong with your current TV? Or is this an extra set e.g. for the bedroom? Oh, and http://www.avforums.com/forums/index.php is usualy a good resource. Cheers Dave R -- No plan survives contact with the enemy. [Not even bunny] Helmuth von Moltke the Elder (\__/) (='.'=) (")_(") |
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On 21/04/12 10:26, David WE Roberts wrote:
.... Where is it going? Sittingroom How big do you want it to be? 19" Do you want 3D? No Do you want Internet connection? No FreeView only or FreeSat as well? Freeview only USB port? No SD card slot to display pictures aqnd movies? No How many connections and what type? SCART x 2 HDMI for newer devices. SCART, composite video etc. for any legacy devices you wish to retain. Sound performance, sound outputs for AV system or sound bar. Output Probably more important, how rich are you? ;-) Not very! Or are you just asking about screen technology? Yes [large snip] Dave R Thanks, Dave! Hugh |
Pro's and cons of different tv types
Well I have picked up on the are you rich bit, and from your response I see
you not want to pay a lot out. I would suggest therefor you look at the popular sizes say 32" because of sales and manufacturing volume could well be in same price bracket as the smaller sizes indeed might be cheaper. Most people seem to say after buying next time I will get a larger size. A lot of the features you say no to will be on so just ignore them, think you saying no to HDMi but I feel in time to come you will. Regards David "Hugh Newbury" wrote in message ... On 21/04/12 10:26, David WE Roberts wrote: .... Where is it going? Sittingroom How big do you want it to be? 19" Do you want 3D? No Do you want Internet connection? No FreeView only or FreeSat as well? Freeview only USB port? No SD card slot to display pictures aqnd movies? No How many connections and what type? SCART x 2 HDMI for newer devices. SCART, composite video etc. for any legacy devices you wish to retain. Sound performance, sound outputs for AV system or sound bar. Output Probably more important, how rich are you? ;-) Not very! Or are you just asking about screen technology? Yes [large snip] Dave R Thanks, Dave! Hugh |
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Hugh Newbury wrote:
I'm thinking of getting a new tv, but I know nothing of the advantages or otherwise of the various types: OLED, edge lit, plasma, etc. I have googled, but can't find a site that explains the basics. Any advice from you knowledgeable lot? Plasma is obsolescent technology. It is also expensive on electricity and tends to cause a lot of radio interference. Edge lit is orthogonal to the main screen technology. |
Pro's and cons of different tv types
On 21/04/2012 10:39, Hugh Newbury wrote:
On 21/04/12 10:26, David WE Roberts wrote: ... Where is it going? Sittingroom How big do you want it to be? 19" Do you want 3D? No Do you want Internet connection? No FreeView only or FreeSat as well? Freeview only USB port? No SD card slot to display pictures aqnd movies? No How many connections and what type? SCART x 2 HDMI for newer devices. SCART, composite video etc. for any legacy devices you wish to retain. Sound performance, sound outputs for AV system or sound bar. Output Probably more important, how rich are you? ;-) Not very! Or are you just asking about screen technology? Yes [large snip] Dave R Thanks, Dave! Hugh Don't buy cheap. Look for a good make. See before you buy Look at dark picture type content Look at stuff with a lot of moment as well to see how it looks. 19 " is very small nowadays . Dont forget to make sure it sounds OK. the speakers on these things can sound realy awfull. Plasma don't do 19" as far as I can see. Do get full HD |
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In article , Hugh Newbury wrote:
I'm thinking of getting a new tv, but I know nothing of the advantages or otherwise of the various types: OLED, edge lit, plasma, etc. I have googled, but can't find a site that explains the basics. Any advice from you knowledgeable lot? Plasmas consume more power than the others, which might be an important consideration. Apart than that, just choose something you like the look of, which will fit where you want to install it, and which has sockets for all the things you want to connect to it. Ignore any claims to do with wi-fi or internet facilities. They'll be slow, awkward to use, and restricted to whatever the proprietary software on the TV can manage, and you may have to buy an expensive adaptor which is exclusive to the TV. If you want to watch Youtube, iPlayer, Flickr, TED, etc on a TV, just plug a computer into it. Rod. -- Virtual Access V6.3 free usenet/email software from http://sourceforge.net/projects/virtual-access/ |
Pro's and cons of different tv types
David Woolley wrote:
Edge lit is orthogonal to the main screen technology. Only orthogonal to the extent that some technologies (OLED) don't require edge lighting. |
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Andy Burns wrote:
David Woolley wrote: Edge lit is orthogonal to the main screen technology. Only orthogonal to the extent that some technologies (OLED) don't require edge lighting. If some technology naturally produces edge lighting, it is, to some extent NOT orthogonal. However I would be rather surprised if that were the case; it may be the case that all current OLED technology displays also use edge lighting. If OLED is really the backlighting technology, for an LCD screen, it may also the the case that the most efficient way of operating it does. |
Pro's and cons of different tv types
On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 08:53:49 +0100, Hugh Newbury
wrote: I'm thinking of getting a new tv, but I know nothing of the advantages or otherwise of the various types: OLED, edge lit, plasma, etc. It's perhaps getting a bit out of date, but is still a good starting point: http://www.macfh.co.uk/JavaJive/Audi.../ChooseTV.html I have googled, but can't find a site that explains the basics. My site rankings are only just getting back to normal after my web host forget to renew my domain a few months ago. Before Christmas the above would probably have been on the first page, even though it is about time I updated it (too busy with other things right now). -- ================================================== ======= Please always reply to ng as the email in this post's header does not exist. Or use a contact address at: http://www.macfh.co.uk/JavaJive/JavaJive.html http://www.macfh.co.uk/Macfarlane/Macfarlane.html |
Pro's and cons of different tv types
In article , David
scribeth thus Bet that gets some confusing answers. For what its worth my brother who is very fussy about picture quality got this deal from John Lewis this week. http://www.johnlewis.com/231589058/Product.aspx Regards David Good advice. We got a Bravia around a year ago does all we want and very well to. Makes the best of the signals transmitted to it in HD as well. None of the usual problems of grass "blocking" or backlight breakthrough. Very useful to connect direct to the web, has built in iplayer and Youtube and more. Sound like most all flat screen TV's is useless so allow a few bob for a decent amp and speakers well worth doing or connect to your hi-fi:) Only real grievance is the on screen keyboard for Youtube etc is very slow to operate bit like sending a Text message. Plasma is now going it out of date it could be good but its very power hungry. "Hugh Newbury" wrote in message ... I'm thinking of getting a new tv, but I know nothing of the advantages or otherwise of the various types: OLED, edge lit, plasma, etc. I have googled, but can't find a site that explains the basics. Any advice from you knowledgeable lot? TIA Hugh -- Tony Sayer |
Pro's and cons of different tv types
I've spent thousands trying to get a TV picture that was just right for
me. Here's what I have found: PLASMA SCREENS =============== All plasma screens flicker (some more visibly than others - my Panny was terrible). Most people can't see it. If you can't, then it's no problem. I can see it, and it renders plasma TVs useless for me. Make quite sure before you buy. Taken on average across the TVs you can buy, plasma screens aren't as bright as LCD screens. Plasma screens are said to be more colour-accurate than LCDs. Plasma screens are said to be better at handling fast-moving pictures, as they don't suffer from the "smearing" LCDs are alleged to show. Again, I haven't noticed that myself but I don't watch much sports. If you don't mind the flicker and the slight dullness (compared with LCD) then most would agree that plasma gives the better picture. LCD SCREENS =========== Backlight bleed is a major issue for every LCD screen you can buy (but see the following paragraphs). If you like watching in the dark, you WILL see it in the dark areas of the picture - a grey glow rather than a rich black. Dynamic backlighting is of little help - if a picture has a large amount of dark in it, the overall backlighting intensity is lowered to reduce visible bleed in the dark areas. It's hopeless because it also dims the remaining bright bits. Also, you can often see the backlight "pumping" as the picture content changes. It drove me mad. Zoned backlighting is the only way to go for LCD if you're fussy. I do not recommend the crude zoning offered by some manufacturers, whereby the lights are around the edge of the screen and they can control (to some extent) the brightness where the vertical and horizontal lights intersect (typically eight zones, I seem to recall). I've watched it carefully and it looks crap. The best results come from "array" backlighting, whereby there is an array of hundreds (or thousands) of LEDs behind the LCD screen. This gives far tighter control over which parts of the screen are lit, and eliminates bleed in the dark areas because those LEDs are switched off. Almost. My £3.5k Sony has 128 backlight zones, which means some minor "blooming" of the backlight is visible around small bright objects, because the zones are much bigger than the individual pixels. However, this is a tiny problem compared with the alternatives. Until we get a backlight LED for every pixel, zoned backlighting will not be perfect, but it is MILES better than any other approach for LCD screens. OLED ==== Not availabe in the size range I want (at least not unless I sell my house to raise the cash). OVERALL SUMMARY =============== Choose plasma if: a/ You want the most colour-perfect and nuanced picture, AND you don't care about: b/ the flicker; c/ the slight dullness (compared with LCD); d/ the weight; e/ the power consumption. Choose LCD if: a/ You want a bright, engaging picture which is good for daytime viewing, AND you don't care about: b/ backlight bleed (noticeable when viewing in the dark) c/ alleged smearing on fast moving sports programs (not visible to me) Choose zoned backlit LCD if: a/ You want a bright, engaging picture which has little or no bleed in dark areas (thus is fine for both daylight and dark viewing), AND... b/ you've got loads of money, AND you don't care about: c/ alleged smearing on fast motion (not visible to me) Choose OLED if: a/ You want the ultimate picture quality regardless of price, AND... b/ You've got shed loads of money; AND... c/ you can live with a smallish screen. Sorry for the length of this. Hopefully it will provide some food for thought. Other contributors have dealt with the other issues, such as cost, weight, power consumption, etc. -- SteveT |
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David wrote:
You mention Plasma using more power, but aren't they heavier as well, maybe a 2 man lift ? Regards David I have a 50" Plasma and can lift it easily. Why have you started top posting? -- Adrian |
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Steve Thackery wrote:
LCD SCREENS =========== Backlight bleed is a major issue for every LCD screen you can buy (but see the following paragraphs). If you like watching in the dark, you WILL see it in the dark areas of the picture - a grey glow rather than a rich black. I am not at all sure that this is still the case - at least with the Samsung super-PVA LCD panel in my new 40" TV, I've been amazed by the inky blackness of the blacks even with low ambient lighting. I don't watch TV in total darkness, and I suppose if I did I might notice a hint of grey, but in general the blacks appear to be as black as the piano black surround. This is with a conventional back-lit display. Of course the brightness control has to be set correctly so that the black level is (just) fully black - and this wasn't the case with the default setting for the HDMI inputs - but with proper adjustment I don't see the need for elaborate zoned LED backlighting. A decent black makes a huge difference to the perception of picture quality, and IMO it's not something that really costs - not any more. |
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I'm on MicroSoft Windows Live Mail and people complain that it not show the
marks. Regards David "Adrian" wrote in message om... David wrote: You mention Plasma using more power, but aren't they heavier as well, maybe a 2 man lift ? Regards David I have a 50" Plasma and can lift it easily. Why have you started top posting? -- Adrian |
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"Hugh Newbury" wrote in message ... On 21/04/12 10:26, David WE Roberts wrote: ... Where is it going? Sittingroom How big do you want it to be? 19" snip How many connections and what type? SCART x 2 snip Two things are immediately obvious: (1) You are likely to be very limited in your choice of TVs if you insist on a 19" size. Has to be LCD because Plasma doesn't come that small. A quick Google then search through Amazon brought up a load of "HD Ready" TVs which are ones which do not do the full 1080p HD but fake it at a lower resolution. With these you also have to be very careful that they include a Freeview HD tuner - TVs can be described as HD Ready if they can handle an HD signal through the HDMI port. Generally previous generation almost obsolete kit. See http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-LE19.../ref=de_a_smtd for one which looks quite reasonable. Note however that it only has a single SCART socket and you want two. "Resolution:HD Ready (1366 x 768)" (2) Probably the only way to get a modern high resolution 19" screen is to go for a PC monitor with HDMI input and use a Set Top Box as a TV tuner. However that doesn't solve your requirement for two SCART inputs. I read today in Which? (so it must be true) that manufacturers are stopping making 32" screens and going for larger formats. So you will either have to rethink your requirements or go for a significantly larger screen. Remember that 19" widescreen is significantly smaller than an old 19" 4:3 aspect ratio CRT TV because the corners are relatively further apart compared to the height so a 19" corner to corner does not give you anywhere near 19" high. I think thet the height will be somewhere around half. Just measured my 42" TV and it is about 20" high - so your 19" screen will be 9" or less vertically (which is a good size for a male member but not for a TV unless you are really up close and personal). Remeber also that the bottom end in price range and size will have limited connectivity because they are built to a budget and also because there isn't that much space on the case. Finding something small with two SCART sockets may be a bit of a challenge. My relatively old HD Ready Panasonic TX-32LMD70A has 2 SCART sockets but now most AV kit is using HDMI manufacturers are cutting back on SCART support. If you intend to wall mount, check where the connectors are! My 42" plasma Panasonic P42G10B has most of the connectors on the back which makes adding or reorganising leads quite interesting unless your eyes are on long stalks. Cheers Dave R -- No plan survives contact with the enemy. [Not even bunny] Helmuth von Moltke the Elder (\__/) (='.'=) (")_(") |
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David wrote:
I'm on MicroSoft Windows Live Mail and people complain that it not show the marks. Regards David So get a popper newsreader or end up in lots of killfiles. -- Adrian |
Pro's and cons of different tv types
On 21/04/12 08:53, Hugh Newbury wrote:
I'm thinking of getting a new tv, but I know nothing of the advantages or otherwise of the various types: OLED, edge lit, plasma, etc. I have googled, but can't find a site that explains the basics. Any advice from you knowledgeable lot? Thanks all for the excellent help and advice. I'll think about it for a month or two! Hugh |
Pro's and cons of different tv types
In message , Adrian
writes David wrote: I'm on MicroSoft Windows Live Mail and people complain that it not show the marks. Regards David So get a popper newsreader or end up in lots of killfiles. I'm experimenting with Thunderbird (in parallel with my normal Turnpike). Without checking, I'm pretty sure that Thunderbird has the option of automatically putting the reply cursor either at the top or the bottom. And, like any good e-mail/news client, it also does quotes properly. To do things wrongly, you really have to try hard. -- Ian |
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Your choice Adrian.
Another NG that had complainers seems to be able to follow my posts now. By the way I have had Windows 7 a while now the latest WLM came with it. Regards David "Adrian" wrote in message om... David wrote: I'm on MicroSoft Windows Live Mail and people complain that it not show the marks. Regards David So get a popper newsreader or end up in lots of killfiles. -- Adrian |
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John Legon wrote:
I am not at all sure that this is still the case - at least with the Samsung super-PVA LCD panel in my new 40" TV, I've been amazed by the inky blackness of the blacks even with low ambient lighting. I looked carefully at all the Samsung range (although this was a few months ago now). Online reviews still complained about the blotchy backlighting on the top-of-the-range Samsungs. I also saw the problem in a dimly-lit viewing room (although of course I don't know the specific model you are referring to). On my previous posh Sony I found that, if you wound the backlight down far enough to be invisible on the dark bits, the overall picture was just too dull and lacking in any vibrance. However, I am in a minority! Many, many people buy a mid-range LCD TV and are entirely happy with all aspects of its picture. I really wish I were one; I'd be about four grand better off. Meanwhile, I guess all we can do is each report our differing opinions to the OP, and let him wade through them trying to make some sense out of them. :-) -- SteveT |
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Ooops - I've just realised the OP is talking about a 19" TV.
This is TINY!! This isn't a TV, it's a mobile phone! I don't think he'd notice any of the stuff I was talking about on a 19" screen. Thus I recommend Hugh ignores my contribution. -- SteveT |
Pro's and cons of different tv types
On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 16:27:43 +0100, Hugh Newbury
wrote: On 21/04/12 08:53, Hugh Newbury wrote: I'm thinking of getting a new tv, but I know nothing of the advantages or otherwise of the various types: OLED, edge lit, plasma, etc. I have googled, but can't find a site that explains the basics. Any advice from you knowledgeable lot? Thanks all for the excellent help and advice. I'll think about it for a month or two! Hugh In a month or two everything will have changed. Sets with scarts are becoming somewhat rare - they may have disappeared completely on anything worth buying. I have an LCD Sony (EX503). Two friends (on my advice) have recently bought LED backlit versions (EX7xx) as the CFL versions are now obsolete. IMO the picture is a little inferior - the sound definitely is. GrahamC. |
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Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Adrian writes David wrote: I'm on MicroSoft Windows Live Mail and people complain that it not show the marks. Regards David So get a popper newsreader or end up in lots of killfiles. I'm experimenting with Thunderbird (in parallel with my normal Turnpike). Without checking, I'm pretty sure that Thunderbird has the option of automatically putting the reply cursor either at the top or the bottom. And, like any good e-mail/news client, it also does quotes properly. To do things wrongly, you really have to try hard. Well your post looks absolutely fine to me. -- Adrian |
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In message , Graham C
wrote I have an LCD Sony (EX503). Two friends (on my advice) have recently bought LED backlit versions (EX7xx) as the CFL versions are now obsolete. IMO the picture is a little inferior - the sound definitely is. Sony are abandoning OLED technology and partnerships in the upper end LCD manufacture so perhaps expect their future products to be made to a lower price/specification as they try and trade on their previous name for quality to stem 8 years of losses selling TVs. -- Alan news2009 {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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David wrote:
Your choice Adrian. Another NG that had complainers seems to be able to follow my posts now. By the way I have had Windows 7 a while now the latest WLM came with it. Regards David I've been using Windows 7 for years. It looks like you're just being lazy and accepting what's handed to you on a plate. -- Adrian |
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On 21/04/2012 17:26, Adrian wrote:
Ian Jackson wrote: In message , Adrian writes David wrote: I'm on MicroSoft Windows Live Mail and people complain that it not show the marks. Regards David So get a popper newsreader or end up in lots of killfiles. I'm experimenting with Thunderbird (in parallel with my normal Turnpike). Without checking, I'm pretty sure that Thunderbird has the option of automatically putting the reply cursor either at the top or the bottom. And, like any good e-mail/news client, it also does quotes properly. To do things wrongly, you really have to try hard. Well your post looks absolutely fine to me. Well, it would do - as I was using Turnpike. However, this is Thunderbird. It will look the same. |
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On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 09:49:07 +0100, "David"
wrote: For what its worth my brother who is very fussy about picture quality got this deal from John Lewis this week. Paying the John Lewis price should include a selection of TV types to test! Steve -- Neural Network Software. http://www.npsl1.com EasyNN-plus. Neural Networks plus. http://www.easynn.com SwingNN. Forecast with Neural Networks. http://www.swingnn.com JustNN. Just Neural Networks. http://www.justnn.com |
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On 21/04/2012 17:33, Ian Jackson wrote:
On 21/04/2012 17:26, Adrian wrote: Well your post looks absolutely fine to me. Well, it would do - as I was using Turnpike. However, this is Thunderbird. It will look the same. Oops! - apart from not having an automatic signature. -- Ian |
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On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 16:46:27 +0100, "David"
wrote: Your choice Adrian. Another NG that had complainers seems to be able to follow my posts now. By the way I have had Windows 7 a while now the latest WLM came with it. Regards David It's not just Adrian. The majority of Usenet people think WLM is a load of rubbish. I have used Agent for years and find it works perfectly in Windows 7. You don't have to use WLM. Steve -- Neural Network Software. http://www.npsl1.com EasyNN-plus. Neural Networks plus. http://www.easynn.com SwingNN. Forecast with Neural Networks. http://www.swingnn.com JustNN. Just Neural Networks. http://www.justnn.com |
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On 21/04/2012 09:49, David wrote:
Bet that gets some confusing answers. For what its worth my brother who is very fussy about picture quality got this deal from John Lewis this week. http://www.johnlewis.com/231589058/Product.aspx Regards David He may be fussy about picture quality, but he may also be an enthusiast that enjoys most of the connectivity options and additional features that swayed him to choose that particular set - i.e. he read the specification, read reviews, chose the model and then looked around for the deal. I enjoy that kind of stuff myself, such a geek.... What I don't enjoy, is others seeing that because this 'fussy' person has chosen that particular set, thinking that this set must be perfect for them as well. Or blindly following a 'Which' recommedation without reading the editorial. In many cases it isn't a good match, and I get called in to dumb it down. There is no teamviewer/logmein for a TV, I wish there was. So 20% of the whole functionality is used, 80% wasted. What's the point of that? Ah, got to show the Jones' we have great taste. We got a £3000 Plasma, same as Bill the 'expert'. So several complaints later on how complicated it is to use day to day, can't fathom out the instructions book, never mind finding out how to retune it for DSO, or get the best out of the 'Smart' premium set by actually giving it an internet connection, or NOT putting all four satellite speakers in a clump underneath the TV. A waste on resources.... Not a dig at you David (or your brother), but ye see where I'm coming from? -- Adrian C |
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On 21/04/2012 9:49 AM, David wrote:
"Hugh Newbury" wrote in message ... I'm thinking of getting a new tv, but I know nothing of the advantages or otherwise of the various types: OLED, edge lit, plasma, etc. I have googled, but can't find a site that explains the basics. Any advice from you knowledgeable lot? TIA Hugh want really big? - go plasma want smaller than 42" - go lcd oled - fantastic but also fantastically expensive and there's nothing over 14" on sale anyway. you'll see so called led sets on sale but they are just lcd ones with leds providing the backlight - hence slimmer than a regular lcd. -- Gareth. That fly.... Is your magic wand. |
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Pro's and cons of different tv types
Snip.. LCD SCREENS =========== Backlight bleed is a major issue for every LCD screen you can buy (but see the following paragraphs). If you like watching in the dark, you WILL see it in the dark areas of the picture - a grey glow rather than a rich black. Dynamic backlighting is of little help - if a picture has a large amount of dark in it, the overall backlighting intensity is lowered to reduce visible bleed in the dark areas. It's hopeless because it also dims the remaining bright bits. Also, you can often see the backlight "pumping" as the picture content changes. It drove me mad. Zoned backlighting is the only way to go for LCD if you're fussy. I do not recommend the crude zoning offered by some manufacturers, whereby the lights are around the edge of the screen and they can control (to some extent) the brightness where the vertical and horizontal lights intersect (typically eight zones, I seem to recall). I've watched it carefully and it looks crap. The best results come from "array" backlighting, whereby there is an array of hundreds (or thousands) of LEDs behind the LCD screen. This gives far tighter control over which parts of the screen are lit, and eliminates bleed in the dark areas because those LEDs are switched off. Almost. My £3.5k Sony has 128 backlight zones, which means some minor "blooming" of the backlight is visible around small bright objects, because the zones are much bigger than the individual pixels. However, this is a tiny problem compared with the alternatives. Until we get a backlight LED for every pixel, zoned backlighting will not be perfect, but it is MILES better than any other approach for LCD screens. Steve.. It almost seems to me that your a bit excessive re this matter. I don't know if you have seen any recent TV's but I've tried to see this fault on our Bravia and really cannot. I've looked in the dark but really its hardly noticeable and in normal use with subdued lighting I've quite frankly never been distracted by it. I have been by other things like poor original source material and poor film colour balance etc and low bit rates and other silly artistic effects but in all I now consider the picture to be rather good and in a lot of instances better than he CRT it replaced. When HD is good, OK to get really good HD you have to go "off sat" from Germany its super! As is a good Blu ray disc. When we were looking for a Flat panel around a year ago I did see a lot of what I'd call "annoying" ones least the demo pix on them but not with this one. Its really only the programming that should attract complaints nowadays;)... -- Tony Sayer |
Pro's and cons of different tv types
In article , Stephen
Wolstenholme scribeth thus On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 09:49:07 +0100, "David" wrote: For what its worth my brother who is very fussy about picture quality got this deal from John Lewis this week. Paying the John Lewis price should include a selection of TV types to test! Steve Well when we got ours they were about much the same price as online and al least had some helpful knowledgeable staff around, an order better than what we experienced at Richersounds and Comet and other white goods warehouses... -- Tony Sayer |
Pro's and cons of different tv types
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scribeth thus On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 16:27:43 +0100, Hugh Newbury wrote: On 21/04/12 08:53, Hugh Newbury wrote: I'm thinking of getting a new tv, but I know nothing of the advantages or otherwise of the various types: OLED, edge lit, plasma, etc. I have googled, but can't find a site that explains the basics. Any advice from you knowledgeable lot? Thanks all for the excellent help and advice. I'll think about it for a month or two! Hugh In a month or two everything will have changed. Sets with scarts are becoming somewhat rare - they may have disappeared completely on anything worth buying. I have an LCD Sony (EX503). Two friends (on my advice) have recently bought LED backlit versions (EX7xx) as the CFL versions are now obsolete. IMO the picture is a little inferior - the sound definitely is. As it seems is with all flat panel TV's . How can you get a good sound with such a small flat thin case?... And plastic to boot;!.. GrahamC. -- Tony Sayer |
Pro's and cons of different tv types
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writes In article , Ian Jackson ianREMOVETHISBITja scribeth thus On 21/04/2012 17:26, Adrian wrote: Ian Jackson wrote: In message , Adrian writes David wrote: I'm on MicroSoft Windows Live Mail and people complain that it not show the marks. Regards David So get a popper newsreader or end up in lots of killfiles. I'm experimenting with Thunderbird (in parallel with my normal Turnpike). Without checking, I'm pretty sure that Thunderbird has the option of automatically putting the reply cursor either at the top or the bottom. And, like any good e-mail/news client, it also does quotes properly. To do things wrongly, you really have to try hard. Well your post looks absolutely fine to me. Well, it would do - as I was using Turnpike. However, this is Thunderbird. It will look the same. Yes excellent system ye olde pike, here using VER 5.02;!... Good man. -- Ian |
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