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Hi,
Panorama is very much worth a watch on iPlayer because they are making
lots of juicy allegations about Sky and NDS organising the cracking and
release to the wild of the encryption algorithims to the ITV Digital
systems, therefore facilitating the collapse of said ITV Digital....

Discuss.


Rob.

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On Monday, March 26th, 2012, at 21:02:53h +0100, News.plus.net wrote:

Panorama is very much worth a watch on iPlayer because they are making
lots of juicy allegations about Sky and NDS organising the cracking and
release to the wild of the encryption algorithims to the ITV Digital
systems, therefore facilitating the collapse of said ITV Digital....

Why has it taken them eight or so years to bring out this old news?

Could it be because Uncle Rupert has just made a counter-offensive in
the Sunday Times against Cameron and the witch hunt over alleged telephone
improprietries by a few rogue journalists?

Did Cameron telephone Thompson and order him it was time to to dish some
dirt out on B$kyB as a counter-retaliation?

Remember neither the Westminster government coalition of national salvation
nor the BBC is interested in the truth, but only scoring political points.

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It's obviously their chief modus operandum:

http://www.digitaltvbanter.co.uk/226245-post10.html

I would so like to be in a position to give them a taste of their own
medicine. Now would be just the time to do it, too ...

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 00:01:08 +0200, Martin wrote:

They did it to Channel Plus too. When Channel;Plus took them to court
in the USA. They bought the technical side of Channel Plus to shut
them up.
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I did not totally believe it. it could very well be a case of people with
vested interest making mischief, but one thing was certain i think, nobody
was watching the ball while these people were doing what they did.
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Hi,
Panorama is very much worth a watch on iPlayer because they are making
lots of juicy allegations about Sky and NDS organising the cracking and
release to the wild of the encryption algorithims to the ITV Digital
systems, therefore facilitating the collapse of said ITV Digital....

Discuss.


Rob.

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On Tuesday, March 27th, 2012, at 04:20:04h +0100, Brian Gaff wrote:

nobody was watching the ball while these people were doing what they did.

When you regular have meetings with the Westminster Prime Minister to advice
him on policy, it is a simple matter to ensure that he understands that those
who are supposed to be watching the ball, look the other way.

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On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 10:43:24 +0000, J G Miller wrote:

When you regular have meetings with the Westminster Prime Minister to advice

*advise*

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On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:02:53 +0100, "news.plus.net"
wrote:

Hi,
Panorama is very much worth a watch on iPlayer because they are making
lots of juicy allegations about Sky and NDS organising the cracking and
release to the wild of the encryption algorithims to the ITV Digital
systems, therefore facilitating the collapse of said ITV Digital....

They did it to Channel Plus too. When Channel;Plus took them to court
in the USA. They bought the technical side of Channel Plus to shut
them up.


Discuss.


Rob.
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news.plus.net wrote:
: Panorama is very much worth a watch on iPlayer because they are making

: Discuss.

Dire programmme rehashing (badly!) VERY old allegations!

Also note they were VERY careful NOT to accuse Sky of anything!

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On 26/03/2012 23:44, Java Jive wrote:
It's obviously their chief modus operandum:

http://www.digitaltvbanter.co.uk/226245-post10.html

I would so like to be in a position to give them a taste of their own
medicine. Now would be just the time to do it, too ...

Can't. The worship of murdoch infected dross is too strong in this
country. Look what happened when Virgin attempted to remove Sky from
their network.

Is the BBC still paying BSkyB for entries in the EPG? Is the BBC in
murdoch's sights for a dismantling and takeover?

Personally, I think they should be kicked off DTT freeview - and with
this knowledge; which certainly is very *old news*, they should have
never been invited to the DTT platfrom in the first place.

Also, there is an outstanding matter of what they did to TiVo, all well
documented commercial larceny.

But then again, once a company achieves the size of News Corp, Apple,
Microsoft, Intel, Wallmart, Tesco etc... the smaller guys have no hope.

Yep, their common modus operandi

"Berate them, Buy them, Bury them...."

:-(

Following link for JGM

http://www.talktalk.co.uk/reference/dictionaries/difficultwords/data/d0008382.html

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You missed out a step ...

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 15:55:25 +0100, Adrian C
wrote:

"Berate them,

Bugger them,

Buy them, Bury them...."
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On 26/03/2012 9:59 PM, J G Miller wrote:
On Monday, March 26th, 2012, at 21:02:53h +0100, News.plus.net wrote:

Panorama is very much worth a watch on iPlayer because they are making
lots of juicy allegations about Sky and NDS organising the cracking and
release to the wild of the encryption algorithims to the ITV Digital
systems, therefore facilitating the collapse of said ITV Digital....

Why has it taken them eight or so years to bring out this old news?

Could it be because Uncle Rupert has just made a counter-offensive in
the Sunday Times against Cameron and the witch hunt over alleged telephone
improprietries by a few rogue journalists?




I certainly read the claims made on the internet many years back -
possibly when ITV digital was still running.


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I was one of the early subscribers to On Digital and the thing that killed
it for me was the unreliability of the digital signal - getting a pixelated
image every time the thermostat switched, a car drove past, a neighbour cut
the grass and so on caused me to get out after one year and move to Sky.

So nothing to do with any piracy issues.




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Hi,
Panorama is very much worth a watch on iPlayer because they are making
lots of juicy allegations about Sky and NDS organising the cracking and
release to the wild of the encryption algorithims to the ITV Digital
systems, therefore facilitating the collapse of said ITV Digital....

Discuss.


Rob.

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On 27/03/2012 19:27, Bob Huntley wrote:
I was one of the early subscribers to On Digital and the thing that
killed it for me was the unreliability of the digital signal - getting a
pixelated image every time the thermostat switched, a car drove past, a
neighbour cut the grass and so on caused me to get out after one year
and move to Sky.

So nothing to do with any piracy issues.


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/03...doch_panorama/

Yes, there was much more wrong with OnDigital. Me mind forgets some
things over time.

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"news.plus.net" wrote in message
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Hi,
Panorama is very much worth a watch on iPlayer because they are making
lots of juicy allegations about Sky and NDS organising the cracking and
release to the wild of the encryption algorithims to the ITV Digital
systems, therefore facilitating the collapse of said ITV Digital....

Discuss.


Rob.

This was all sloshing around at the time. Hate Murdoch as I do (for
monopolising English language satellite TV) I don't buy this one because: -

On Digital encryption was based on Canal+ encryption that had been hacked
(or leaked internally) with codes posted for at least ten years.

On Digital's business model was a disaster waiting to happen (and it did).

$ky's analogue encryption was phenomenally weak and easily got around (no
hack just line reconstruction on the fly) and the sound was not encrypted at
all.

Sky would have risked damaging their own business by if the hackers had
bitten the hand that fed them (very likely).

Far more likely is that the hackers were at some point Israeli state spooks
hired to break encryption on neighbouring hostile states' security services
and they did a bit of moonlighting to watch "Journal du Hard" and VO XXX
films on Canal+.

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On 26/03/2012 21:02, news.plus.net wrote:
Hi,
Panorama is very much worth a watch on iPlayer because they are making
lots of juicy allegations about Sky and NDS organising the cracking and
release to the wild of the encryption algorithims to the ITV Digital
systems, therefore facilitating the collapse of said ITV Digital....

Discuss.


Rob.

So Murdoch’s evil empire conspired to use computer hacking to bring down
its rival ITV? Sorry Panorama, you got it wrong and Sally Bercow must
have conveniently forgotten why people programmed or bought ‘dodge’
ONdigital cards. ONdigital carried Sky1, Sky Sports and Sky Movies along
with other lesser channels. Sky was the jewel of ITV’s digital offering
so why would SKY’s owners want people to view their programmes without
paying? If you just wanted to view terrestrial channels in Digital
ONdigital gave out free cards. At that time it was the only way that
viewers in some areas to get channels 4 and 5.
I still have my programmer and the two cards I used to use.
Why did the Panorama programme not cover illicit cards and chipped boxes
used by cable viewers to get subscription channels free? The cable rival
was surely more of a threat to Sky than ITV.
Derek.

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Derek F wrote:
On 26/03/2012 21:02, news.plus.net wrote:
Hi,
Panorama is very much worth a watch on iPlayer because they are
making lots of juicy allegations about Sky and NDS organising the
cracking and release to the wild of the encryption algorithims to
the ITV Digital systems, therefore facilitating the collapse of said
ITV Digital.... Discuss.
Rob.

So Murdoch's evil empire conspired to use computer hacking to bring
down its rival ITV? Sorry Panorama, you got it wrong and Sally
Bercow must have conveniently forgotten why people programmed or
bought 'dodge' ONdigital cards. ONdigital carried Sky1, Sky Sports
and Sky Movies along with other lesser channels. Sky was the jewel of
ITV's digital offering so why would SKY's owners want people to view
their programmes without paying? If you just wanted to view
terrestrial channels in Digital ONdigital gave out free cards. At
that time it was the only way that viewers in some areas to get
channels 4 and 5. I still have my programmer and the two cards I used to
use.
Why did the Panorama programme not cover illicit cards and chipped
boxes used by cable viewers to get subscription channels free? The
cable rival was surely more of a threat to Sky than ITV.
Derek.

But more Sky Channels were carried by NTL cable than Ondigital.
So by your argument Sky wouldn't want to undermine NTL either

I wouldn't be a bit surprised NTL cable key hacks were being
put out by Sky backed hackers too.

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On 31/03/2012 18:20, Steve Terry wrote:
Derek F wrote:
On 26/03/2012 21:02, news.plus.net wrote:
Hi,
Panorama is very much worth a watch on iPlayer because they are
making lots of juicy allegations about Sky and NDS organising the
cracking and release to the wild of the encryption algorithims to
the ITV Digital systems, therefore facilitating the collapse of said
ITV Digital.... Discuss.
Rob.

So Murdoch's evil empire conspired to use computer hacking to bring
down its rival ITV? Sorry Panorama, you got it wrong and Sally
Bercow must have conveniently forgotten why people programmed or
bought 'dodge' ONdigital cards. ONdigital carried Sky1, Sky Sports
and Sky Movies along with other lesser channels. Sky was the jewel of
ITV's digital offering so why would SKY's owners want people to view
their programmes without paying? If you just wanted to view
terrestrial channels in Digital ONdigital gave out free cards. At
that time it was the only way that viewers in some areas to get
channels 4 and 5. I still have my programmer and the two cards I used to
use.
Why did the Panorama programme not cover illicit cards and chipped
boxes used by cable viewers to get subscription channels free? The
cable rival was surely more of a threat to Sky than ITV.
Derek.

But more Sky Channels were carried by NTL cable than Ondigital.
So by your argument Sky wouldn't want to undermine NTL either

I wouldn't be a bit surprised NTL cable key hacks were being
put out by Sky backed hackers too.

Steve Terry
To me it did not make sense for them to undermine their own product.
I'm told that cable boxes can no longer be hacked. Where we used to live
a local TV repair shop did most of its business selling chipped boxed
and dodgy cards.
Derek