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tim.... wrote:
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tim.... wrote:
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Brian Gaff wrote:
Yes I had to laugh the other day when an ex chief exec of a
hospital trust said exactly that after coming out of hospital.
One assumes as she had been in charge she must have been party to
the installation in the first place. Double standards or what?
Its almost as bad as hospital car parking charges. Brian

There's another way of looking at those, though. Why shouldn't
hospital patients and their visitors pay a little bit more for
facilities that they are the ones using? They're the ones who are
benefitting from the medical treatment after all, and a substantial
proportion of the money raised goes back into hospital funds.

wrt to parking you're going to get the same answer that I posted the
last time that this was asked.

There are many cases where hospitals have moved from (expensive),
easy to get to, town centre locations to cheaper out of the way edge
of town locations which are only accessible by car.

I doubt if any hospital is really accessible only by car. In my
experience, there are _always_ bus routes serving them.

not when you've got to get there at 7am as a "day in-patient", there
isn't

Then pay to park there for goodness sake, or get a friend or neighbour
to take you in if you're that mean.

Honestly, some people are just hopeless.

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charles wrote:
In article ,
tim.... wrote:

"Norman Wells" wrote in message
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tim.... wrote:
"Norman Wells" wrote in message
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Brian Gaff wrote:
Yes I had to laugh the other day when an ex chief exec of a
hospital trust said exactly that after coming out of hospital.
One assumes as she had been in charge she must have been party
to the installation in the first place. Double standards or
what? Its almost as bad as hospital car parking charges. Brian

There's another way of looking at those, though. Why shouldn't
hospital patients and their visitors pay a little bit more for
facilities that they are the ones using? They're the ones who are
benefitting from the medical treatment after all, and a
substantial proportion of the money raised goes back into
hospital funds.

wrt to parking you're going to get the same answer that I posted
the last time that this was asked.

There are many cases where hospitals have moved from (expensive),
easy to get to, town centre locations to cheaper out of the way
edge of town locations which are only accessible by car.

I doubt if any hospital is really accessible only by car. In my
experience, there are _always_ bus routes serving them.

not when you've got to get there at 7am as a "day in-patient", there
isn't

and our first (of 3 daily buses) leaves the village at 10.20am. When
you get to town you then have to change, so you won't get to the
hospital much before 11.20. Which is why, as a driver for a local
charity, I often have to drive people theer.

If you choose to live in an isolated village, you have to accept that
you won't have town centre levels of service. I bet there are several
other bus routes that serve the hospital though. Tough if you're not on
one. But really, you're only confirming what I said. If people are
unwilling to pay just the small amount the car park costs, there are
still ways of getting to hospital without using their own car, even if
it means misusing a charity such as your own.

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tim.... wrote:
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Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , Norman Wells
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The alternative is for the NHS to become a car park company
establishing and running free or subsidised car parks all over the
place not only for the patients but their sisters and their cousins
and their aunts as well. If there are limited funds available to
the NHS, as there always are, isn't it better that those funds
should be spent on medical facilities rather than running car
parks?

Its a nice rhetorical question, based on a presumed dichotomy. But
the reality is that such 'non medical' things may well have an
impact on the medical side, and the outcome, and how soon people
can get back to being involved in society. Life isn't always as
simple as the rhetorical questions politicians like to 'ask'.

I don't think car parking charges have any bearing whatsoever on
medical outcomes. People, whether patients or visitors, shouldn't
therefore begrudge paying them, which will inevitably represent only
a tiny fraction of the cost of the treatment.

As regard the provision of TVs, I think the bearing on medical
outcomes is too tenuous to merit serious consideration for free
provision. What is it with mean and miserable patients who resent
paying just the price of a pint or two for TV when they're receiving
all their other

I think the objection is to the level of charge.

Getting a bill that's the same order of magnitude as buying a new TV
for a 2 week stay just shows that the costs of provision are
over-inflated.

Not if you deduct board and lodging costs. Even if you pay for an
unnecessary TV in hospital, you'll still be well in pocket over staying
at home providing your own heating, lighting, food and drink.

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In article ,

[Snip]

If you choose to live in an isolated village,

Isolated?

3 miles from the M25



you have to accept that
you won't have town centre levels of service. I bet there are several
other bus routes that serve the hospital though.

There are 6, but being on then other side of town, using any of them would
involve a change.



[Snip]

If people are unwilling to pay just the small amount the car park
costs, there are still ways of getting to hospital without using their
own car, even if it means misusing a charity such as your own.

I don't consider it a 'misuse' of the charity. Most of those I take either
can't drive or won't due to medication.

--
From KT24

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18

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Norman Wells wrote:

As regard the provision of TVs, I think the bearing on medical outcomes
is too tenuous to merit serious consideration for free provision. What
is it with mean and miserable patients who resent paying just the price
of a pint or two for TV when they're receiving all their other
facilities, including food, drink and endless pretty nurses, entirely
free of charge?

The problem with Patientline (et al) is that the charges are too high
and the tellys are crap.

Bill

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What
is it with mean and miserable patients who resent paying just the price
of a pint or two for TV when they're receiving all their other
facilities, including food, drink and endless pretty nurses, entirely
free of charge?

The fact is that having a telly to watch is a big help for a lot of
people in hospital, but the cost of Patientline for long stay patients
is more than some people can afford.

I can't help contrasting the charges with the 50p a week prisoners pay
for TV.

Bill

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John Rumm wrote:

ISTM most unreasonable for somebody (anybody), offering a monopoly
service,
to move to an out of the way location for *their* convenience and then
charge the people that they have forced an inconvenient journey upon
to get
to them, to pay to park as a revenue stream.

ISTM its also most unreasonable that people expect all the care and
facilities that modern medicine can provide to be made available in
outdated small buildings based in town where expansion is a costly,
complex, and bureaucratic minefield...

You can't have it both ways with regard to location. The same logic
applies to supermarkets etc.

It's far better to build hospitals on out-of-town sites. Cheaper land
and acres of parking. And there's always a shuttle bus from other sites
and the town centre.

Bill

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John Rumm wrote:

It does depend a little on the actual circumstances. It helps when they
car park in question has a method for reducing that cost in cases of
need (medical or financial). Paying three quid a visit for a day or two
may not be a problem, but if needing to do it 7 days a week for a month
or more*, could become quite a burden on a family.
£207 a month at a hospital near here.

Bill

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John Rumm wrote:
On 18/03/2012 18:01, Bill Wright wrote:
J G Miller wrote:
On Sunday, March 18th, 2012, at 01:53:58h +0000, Bill Wright wrote:

Ah, but I know the people here.

Which proves the point that you treat the newsgroup as
your own personal forum. ;+)

You're being ridiculous.

Cheeky as well, saying that in your forum... ;-)


I think so too.

Bill

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J G Miller wrote:

Watching Eastenders may result in them becoming even more
depressed and requiring even longer treatment in hospital
or long term care at home.
That's just silly.


And surely if things are too comfortable for the patient in
hospital, they may not be as keen on returning home.
Very few people stay in hospital for fun.


I thought the trend for most hospital treatments was
in at the morning, out in the evening, only an overnight
stay being required for monitoring if absolutely essential,
and any further extension of the stay being only permitted
due to "complications"?

Following cardiac arrest the need for constant monitoring for weeks on end.

Bill