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On 18/03/2012 15:39, Graham. wrote:
On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:11:18 +0000 (UTC), "Dave Saville"
wrote:

On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 09:12:44 UTC, "Brian Gaff"
wrote:

Yes I had to laugh the other day when an ex chief exec of a hospital trust
said exactly that after coming out of hospital. One assumes as she had been
in charge she must have been party to the installation in the first place.
Double standards or what? Its almost as bad as hospital car parking charges.

I don't object to paying - its the "guess how long your appointment is
running late" and pay up front I hate.


Also there must me lots of motorists who get a call from the hospital
and rush there to spend the last few moments with their dying
relitive, and then find they have a charge notice.

Had a similar experience during the delivery of first born... arrived at
pay and display hospital at 5am to find that the machines would not
accept payment before 8am. Was not permitted (by the midwife or SWMBO!)
get back to the car til mid morning, and needless to say it had a
ticket. Fortunately in this case I found the chap in charge of the car
park and pointed out the problem, and he "cancelled" the ticket (i.e.
screwed it up and threw it in the bin!)


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On 18/03/2012 18:01, Bill Wright wrote:
J G Miller wrote:
On Sunday, March 18th, 2012, at 01:53:58h +0000, Bill Wright wrote:

Ah, but I know the people here.

Which proves the point that you treat the newsgroup as
your own personal forum. ;+)

You're being ridiculous.

Cheeky as well, saying that in your forum... ;-)


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On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 17:04:50 -0000, "Norman Wells"
wrote:

A small charge payable to the hospital that is expensively treating you
or a person you think enough of to be visiting. It's not too much to
ask surely?


Spoken like someone who clearly has enough disposable income to do
this or clearly hasn't been repeatedly stung for parking recently.

I live in the countryside and up until a couple of years ago my local
city centre hospital was five miles and a single bus ride away. Now,
thanks to the urge to have a shiny new location with a huge footprint,
it's ten miles and two bus rides away, with flats where it used to be.

Oh, and National Express decided that we weren't economical and
cancelled our bus service so we're f***ed now.

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On Sunday, March 18th, 2012, at 13:47:19h +0000, Jim Lesurf suggested:

Hence having access to things like TV

Watching Eastenders may result in them becoming even more
depressed and requiring even longer treatment in hospital
or long term care at home.

And surely if things are too comfortable for the patient in
hospital, they may not be as keen on returning home.

I thought the trend for most hospital treatments was
in at the morning, out in the evening, only an overnight
stay being required for monitoring if absolutely essential,
and any further extension of the stay being only permitted
due to "complications"?

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"Norman Wells" wrote in message
...
tim.... wrote:
"Norman Wells" wrote in message
...
Brian Gaff wrote:
Yes I had to laugh the other day when an ex chief exec of a hospital
trust said exactly that after coming out of hospital. One assumes as
she had been in charge she must have been party to the installation
in the first place. Double standards or what? Its almost as bad as
hospital car parking charges. Brian

There's another way of looking at those, though. Why shouldn't
hospital patients and their visitors pay a little bit more for
facilities that they are the ones using? They're the ones who are
benefitting from the medical treatment after all, and a substantial
proportion of the money raised goes back into hospital funds.

wrt to parking you're going to get the same answer that I posted the
last time that this was asked.

There are many cases where hospitals have moved from (expensive),
easy to get to, town centre locations to cheaper out of the way edge
of town locations which are only accessible by car.

I doubt if any hospital is really accessible only by car. In my
experience, there are _always_ bus routes serving them.

not when you've got to get there at 7am as a "day in-patient", there isn't

tim

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"John Rumm" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 18/03/2012 15:35, tim.... wrote:
"Norman wrote in message
...
Brian Gaff wrote:
Yes I had to laugh the other day when an ex chief exec of a hospital
trust said exactly that after coming out of hospital. One assumes as
she had been in charge she must have been party to the installation
in the first place. Double standards or what? Its almost as bad as
hospital car parking charges. Brian

There's another way of looking at those, though. Why shouldn't hospital
patients and their visitors pay a little bit more for facilities that
they
are the ones using? They're the ones who are benefitting from the
medical
treatment after all, and a substantial proportion of the money raised
goes
back into hospital funds.

wrt to parking you're going to get the same answer that I posted the last
time that this was asked.

There are many cases where hospitals have moved from (expensive), easy to
get to, town centre locations to cheaper out of the way edge of town
locations which are only accessible by car.

ISTM most unreasonable for somebody (anybody), offering a monopoly
service,
to move to an out of the way location for *their* convenience and then
charge the people that they have forced an inconvenient journey upon to
get
to them, to pay to park as a revenue stream.

ISTM its also most unreasonable that people expect all the care and
facilities that modern medicine can provide to be made available in
outdated small buildings based in town where expansion is a costly,
complex, and bureaucratic minefield...

You can't have it both ways with regard to location.

ITYF that you are making an incorrect assumption

tim

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"Norman Wells" wrote in message
...
Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , Norman Wells
wrote:

The alternative is for the NHS to become a car park company
establishing and running free or subsidised car parks all over the
place not only for the patients but their sisters and their cousins
and their aunts as well. If there are limited funds available to
the NHS, as there always are, isn't it better that those funds
should be spent on medical facilities rather than running car parks?

Its a nice rhetorical question, based on a presumed dichotomy. But the
reality is that such 'non medical' things may well have an impact on
the medical side, and the outcome, and how soon people can get back
to being involved in society. Life isn't always as simple as the
rhetorical questions politicians like to 'ask'.

I don't think car parking charges have any bearing whatsoever on medical
outcomes. People, whether patients or visitors, shouldn't therefore
begrudge paying them, which will inevitably represent only a tiny fraction
of the cost of the treatment.

As regard the provision of TVs, I think the bearing on medical outcomes is
too tenuous to merit serious consideration for free provision. What is it
with mean and miserable patients who resent paying just the price of a
pint or two for TV when they're receiving all their other

I think the objection is to the level of charge.

Getting a bill that's the same order of magnitude as buying a new TV for a 2
week stay just shows that the costs of provision are over-inflated.

tim

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In article ,
tim.... wrote:

"Norman Wells" wrote in message
...
tim.... wrote:
"Norman Wells" wrote in message
...
Brian Gaff wrote:
Yes I had to laugh the other day when an ex chief exec of a hospital
trust said exactly that after coming out of hospital. One assumes as
she had been in charge she must have been party to the installation
in the first place. Double standards or what? Its almost as bad as
hospital car parking charges. Brian

There's another way of looking at those, though. Why shouldn't
hospital patients and their visitors pay a little bit more for
facilities that they are the ones using? They're the ones who are
benefitting from the medical treatment after all, and a substantial
proportion of the money raised goes back into hospital funds.

wrt to parking you're going to get the same answer that I posted the
last time that this was asked.

There are many cases where hospitals have moved from (expensive),
easy to get to, town centre locations to cheaper out of the way edge
of town locations which are only accessible by car.

I doubt if any hospital is really accessible only by car. In my
experience, there are _always_ bus routes serving them.

not when you've got to get there at 7am as a "day in-patient", there isn't

and our first (of 3 daily buses) leaves the village at 10.20am. When you
get to town you then have to change, so you won't get to the hospital much
before 11.20. Which is why, as a driver for a local charity, I often have
to drive people theer.

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Bill Wright wrote:
Norman Wells wrote:

A small charge payable to the hospital that is expensively treating
you or a person you think enough of to be visiting. It's not too
much to ask surely?

I don't mind paying. What I object to is not being able to find a
parking space.

Well, they won't be provided unless they're funded of course. And
there's more chance of them being funded if the parkers pay for them
through what they're charged.

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Alan White wrote:
On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 18:13:30 -0000, "Norman Wells"
wrote:

What
is it with mean and miserable patients who resent paying just the
price of a pint or two for TV when they're receiving all their other
facilities, including food, drink and endless pretty nurses, entirely
free of charge?

You've never paid National Insurance, then?

Oh yes. Whatever gives you the idea that National Insurance has
anything to do with funding the NHS?